[Skoal]

The rng BBQ was talking about in our party did some early showing off last night. He went out and tried his Velocity shot on the Lesser Colibris. He was doing 3400 Sidwinders and 2000-3000 Barrages. It was pretty sick. Dropping an EP with full hp is hilarious.

[Omni]

I need to go merit before they adjust it.

[Caspian]

Originally Posted by Omni

I need to go merit before they adjust it.

No kidding, looks like I'm meriting tonight.
I can't wait to try this out.

[VZX]

I had enough testing yesterday, time to merit tonight

[Dymlos]

Merit until they nerf it because all the waa'ers will complain that RNG is 'too powerful and borken'.

[Sevv]

Originally Posted by Dymlos

Merit until they nerf it because all the waa'ers will complain that RNG is 'too powerful and borken'.

Like rangers did about 2h?

[VZX]

Everybody waaaa waaa about 2hander, and it's a valid waaaa

[Caspian]

Originally Posted by Sevv

Like rangers did about 2h?

I know there were some, but my complaint wasn't about them being broken, it was about them getting a huge boost and making rng useless. I just wanted a boost to ranged attack, which is what we got. I didn't feel there needed to be any further nerfs to the 2h change after the first one a cpl months ago. My only chief complaint after that fix, was that a PLD with GS was doing the same damage I was, only with the ability to cure and tank.
Trust me, I was around for the original RNG nerf, I don't wish that on anyone.

[Sevv]

Originally Posted by VZX

Everybody waaaa waaa about 2hander, and it's a valid waaaa

Aye, look at where I agreed about it, but to make comments like i quoted after your in the for front is lolable.

[Dymlos]

Well we have legit reason. Do they spend gil to kill shit? No. Hell they can go into auto-attack, go get a pop and come right back. No, we gotta hit the command button and <focus> 2handers don't. I would have been fine with the 2handed update if the 1:1 ratio also affected ranged attacks but it didn't. That is what pissed me off the most.

And no job should out DD another job.

[Sevv]

Originally Posted by Caspian

I know there were some, but my complaint wasn't about them being broken, it was about them getting a huge boost and making rng useless. I just wanted a boost to ranged attack, which is what we got. I didn't feel there needed to be any further nerfs to the 2h change after the first one a cpl months ago. My only chief complaint after that fix, was that a PLD with GS was doing the same damage I was, only with the ability to cure and tank.
Trust me, I was around for the original RNG nerf, I don't wish that on anyone.

It just happened to sam =/

Originally Posted by Dymlos

Well we have legit reason. Do they spend gil to kill shit? No. Hell they can go into auto-attack, go get a pop and come right back. No, we gotta hit the command button and <focus> 2handers don't.
And no job should out DD another job.

alt-1 or r2+x is not complicated =P, and the jobs will never be exactly even. And the spending gil to kill shit is old, cor should be on par with ranger damage then they spend gil, so do anyone who /nin or ninja mains.

[Caspian]

Originally Posted by Sevv

It just happened to sam =/

I know, but I certainly didn't want it to happen. However, from what I've been reading its not as bad as it was originally made out to seem, and the damage is still an improvement over what it was this summer. I guess if I was gonna be nerfed, I'd rather it be a nerf to something fairly new, rather than a nerf to the way the game had been for years. But then again I'm biased, atleast its better than the original prepatch, though.

EDIT: If I had to guess, not really payg attention to other boards or job specific forums, I think most of the whining was from dual wielding wars and monks. Some of it justified, though I'd be more pissed if I was a monk, atleast a war can just pick up a G.axe and skill it. Just a guess though, not trying to start a flame war or anything

As for the argument that RNG should do more dmg. I won't make the "we spend money yada yada yada" argument. If for no other reason than it doesn't work. And honestly, a tanking nin using enfeebs will spend more per hour than a rng. The only argument that I think has a leg to stand on, on why a rng should do more dmg per shot and per ws than other jobs, is simply b/c thats all we do. We don't backup tank, we don't backup heal, we don't control party hate, we don't have pets to give additional hate or spells to further enfeeb. We don't have JA's and JT's out the arse to give lots of ws's. By that definition, if thats the way things worked, ourselves and monks would be doing the most damage. Anyway, I don't like getting into these debates, because inevitably someone gets butthurt that someone else thinks their job shouldn't be as damaging and then you have a good old fashioned flame war. Just too much work for me.

And Sevv, I merged your two back to back posts since the automerger doesn't always kick in.

[Sevv]

Originally Posted by Caspian

I know, but I certainly didn't want it to happen. However, from what I've been reading its not as bad as it was originally made out to seem, and the damage is still an improvement over what it was this summer. I guess if I was gonna be nerfed, I'd rather it be a nerf to something fairly new, rather than a nerf to the way the game had been for years. But then again I'm biased, atleast its better than the original prepatch, though.

Actually the ws changed on sams are worse then prepatch, most 2h are not effected as much tho. Sam dropping 200 max ws on faf is bad, I can drop 400 wheelings with love halbred all day. I know most people didn't want the nerf to happen to any job. I think personally the boost to ranger is great, made me take it out and play with it again. Just people tend to after they bitch and complain for "nerf nerf nerf", they get a boost and instead of being happy with it make a dumb comment about it talking about people crying for nerfs.

To use one of BBQ's favorite lines:

Pot meet Kettle

[Caspian]

Yeah, I had heard about SAM ws's being 'wtf', I can only hope and expect that it will be fixed.

[Sevv]

Originally Posted by Caspian

Yeah, I had heard about SAM ws's being 'wtf', I can only hope and expect that it will be fixed.

We didn't claim post maint faf but the sams were usually not breaking into triple digits, the ranger on the other hand died twice lol.