[Sevv]

Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

Skadi really isn't that good for most RNGs (it's better for a KC RNG or a Joyuese COR). Put rather simply, which would you rather have?
AF body (RACC+10)
or
Blue Cotehardie+1 (STR+5 AGI+5)
That is exactly the comparison between CFG and Skadi. You can't really even compare Skadi to Kote.

Would now be a good time to say i use archer's jupon and have no problems w/ acc and w/o 75 or cgf so I am not feeling skadi will hurt my ws. It would take some tweaking but it is easy to support skadi

Originally Posted by Omni

cfg for both tp and ws.
rng atk will do more for your dmg than agi will ever do.
i really dont understand why ppl keep looking to the modifiers as if they're the single most important thing for ws....

Skadi has the same ratt more str and agi only lacking racc if your acc is good you would be better off with skadi.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by SevIfrit

Would now be a good time to say i use archer's jupon and have no problems w/ acc and w/o 75 or cgf so I am not feeling skadi will hurt my ws. It would take some tweaking but it is easy to support skadi

Skadi has the same ratt more str and agi only lacking racc if your acc is good you would be better off with skadi.

I take it you haven't started doing NIN and THF Mamool yet, its not the same as doing it on another melee.

Skadi is a nice piece if you're absolutely sure you won't miss, but if you're not sure, its better to go between the CFGs and Kote.

CFGs is a nice total package and Kote picks up for any slack you may get from the CFGs.

[Sevv]

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

I take it you haven't started doing NIN and THF Mamool yet, its not the same as doing it on another melee.
Skadi is a nice piece if you're absolutely sure you won't miss, but if you're not sure, its better to go between the CFGs and Kote.
CFGs is a nice total package and Kote picks up for any slack you may get from the CFGs.

That was the main point of my post is atm I am not having any issues with acc so I would opt for skadi's have the best potential for any of those gloves if you connect.

[VZX]

rng atk will do more for your dmg than agi will ever do.

Depends on the amount

i really dont understand why ppl keep looking to the modifiers as if they're the single most important thing for ws....

Minor is not necessary useless.

If you carefully analyze it, there are cases where S Kote win, damage wise, against CFG and vice versa. In general, CFG is getting better as the monster defense getting lower and SKote is good when there is no def down debuff at all in PT or you're shooting against high eva/high level monsters.

[Omni]

Originally Posted by VZX

Depends on the amount
Minor is not necessary useless.
If you carefully analyze it, there are cases where S Kote win, damage wise, against CFG and vice versa. In general, CFG is getting better as the monster defense getting lower and SKote is good when there is no def down debuff at all in PT or you're shooting against high eva/high level monsters.

sure it depends on the amount. if you want to cover all your bases, yes, 2rng atk will not trump 15agi. you're right.

however, i dont think you should ever pass up a change to add str/rng atk with agi.

so in this case, 10rng atk vs 15agi... ill take the 10rng atk.

sev: yea skadi is better dmg wise, i wasnt actually comparing the 2. more of a cfg and s.kote compairson since skadi isnt neary as attainable as those two are.
i also have an archers jupon and it really matters what u are fighting and what build u have. i have an all str/rng atk build and with archers jupon vs. high evasion mobs well its pretty sad. if you're one of those rangers that love to go /nin and load up on rng acc and eat sushi then, archers jupon wont hurt you as much.

[Tmaine]

depends on ur set up and food i use meat alot cept on gods and i stack str and ratk lke crazy so id go with s kote full time but if ur sushi eater go crimson cuz ull need the extra ratk
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one more thing 15 agility boosts ws too even tho its a secondary modifier

[Karinya]

Originally Posted by Callisto

Full Salvage pieces take an extraordinary amount of time and work to get, as you not only need to be doing Salvage as often as possible, but also doing as much Assault as possible to get enough points to enter Salvage, then actually get the drops that you need, then make gil for the generally batshit expensive synth materials needed.

It's only body pieces that require the batshit expensive Imperial Wootz. (~8M per stack, and therefore, per completed body piece). Heads require the not quite so pricy Orichalcum Ingot (~2M/stack), and the other slots take much cheaper synth items.

Hands, in particular, take bloodwood lumber, which is ~50k each, so 600k for a stack. More expensive than crimson cursed items, but still not unreasonable. Of course you'd still need to do all the other stuff outlined above.

[Callisto]

Just a note, that was posted last August, lol. This was a horribly necro'd thread and prices have gone down a good amount.

[Malacite]

EDIT: Wait, after looking at CFG again, changing my vote to CFG for both.

I didn't realize CFG also had +10 racc

[Rambus]

Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

Skadi really isn't that good for most RNGs (it's better for a KC RNG or a Joyuese COR). Put rather simply, which would you rather have?

AF body (RACC+10)
or
Blue Cotehardie+1 (STR+5 AGI+5)

That is exactly the comparison between CFG and Skadi. You can't really even compare Skadi to Kote.

blue cotehardie does not have range attack +10 on it.

with Acc trait IV, bit of acc from arrows and such it depends in your setup (I/E are you doing O-bow/ mnd for holy , trying to range attack with staff, or trying to spam WS with KC)

if you can live without the extra acc on hands you can tp in sakdi too, Skadi is the best power hand piece but the question is what do you have to trade off to get acc?

best hands depends on your overall setup and goals, but looking at the indivual hand piece it goes:

Skadi: power
Blood hands : mid power and acc
O-kote : acc

of course the blood hands dont help in power if you somehow manage to hit your attack cap without them. (buffs/debuffs and such)

[VZX]

Originally Posted by Rambus

blue cotehardie does not have range attack +10 on it.

So does Hunter's Jerkin

O-kote : acc

I don't know RNG can use Ochi kote

[Mog]

Originally Posted by VZX

I don't know RNG can use Ochi kote

The only jobs that can use O-Kote are ninja, monk and samurai. He probably meant Seiryu's kote.

[Callisto]

Ugh thread won't die, lol. So I guess I won't help it.

Originally Posted by VZX

So does Hunter's Jerkin

Nope. 10 RAcc, no RAtk.

Basically you have S. Kote for high accuracy and a decent WSC boost, CFG's for medium accuracy and a slight damage boost, or Skadi for no accuracy and a pretty solid damage boost. Shit, situational, etc. In all likelihood a RNG properly geared in other slots can afford to give up the RAcc in the hands slot for the extra damage on merit fodder mobs, bear in mind that they have +40some RAcc just from being a RNG. Of course SlugWinder is still pretty fickle, but my RNG is relatively gimped and I don't have much trouble at all on VT mobs without Sushi.

On something higher than merit mobs then yeah, you're going to want sushi or S.Kote/CFG's for WS. Otherwise between CFGs and Kotes can be kind of iffy, I personally would use CFGs for normal ranged TP, S.Kote for Barrage. In most cases with Archery I'd take Skadi for WS, however with Marksmanship I'd still with S.Kote all the way, since Marksmanship WS' don't have the STR mod that Archery ones do.

[VZX]

Originally Posted by Callisto

Nope. 10 RAcc, no RAtk.

OK, sorry for using wrong grammar and causing confusion
What I meant is : "Hunter's Jerkin also doesn't have 10 ratk"

Skadi vs CFG : STR+5 AGI+5 ratk+10 vs racc+10 ratk+10
Cotehardie vs Jerkin : STR+5 AGI+5 vs racc+10

You know what I (and Spider-Dan) meant?
It's the same comparison

[Callisto]

Ahh misread, my bad. At the same time I'm not sure about the comparison, since I personally WS in Osode and would take that over any other option, meanwhile there's not an Osode-ish option in the hands.