01-11-2007, 08:15 AM | #1 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 859 Style: Light - Version 4 Thanks: 11 Thanked 21x in 15 Posts Gil: 20,015 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 20,015 Donate | What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? Is it TP or Str? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-11-2007, 08:17 AM | #2 (permalink) | | Loaded With Sodium Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,964 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 448 Thanked 1,591x in 1,001 Posts Gil: 3,629 Bank: 33,189 Total Gil: 36,818 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? According to FFXIcyclopedia, STR is the damage modifier. TP affects ACC. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | The following user says "Thank You" to Murphie for above post: | | | 01-11-2007, 08:30 AM | #3 (permalink) | | Lightness Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,393 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 92 Thanked 129x in 77 Posts Gil: 10,499 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 10,499 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? right. STR is the primary dmg modifier for all physical ws. AGI is the secondary modifier.
TP is to help with accuracy like murp said. It's a very inaccurate ws at 100% tp Omni@Remora: NIN75 RNG75 MNK75 COR75 BST63 BRD45
♪♫ San d'Oria Complete ♪♫ ZM Complete ♪♫ CoP Complete ♪♫ AM Complete ♪♫ | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-11-2007, 12:04 PM | #5 (permalink) | | LOLDRG Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 853 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 88 Thanked 66x in 48 Posts Gil: 14,390 Bank: 53,857 Total Gil: 68,248 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? Thats a secondary modifier. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-11-2007, 12:07 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 859 Style: Light - Version 4 Thanks: 11 Thanked 21x in 15 Posts Gil: 20,015 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 20,015 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? Would this mean using Martial Bow would be better for Acc when firing Sidewinder? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-11-2007, 12:09 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 477 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 18 Thanked 10x in 6 Posts Gil: 4,365 Bank: 4,773 Total Gil: 9,138 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? Originally Posted by Omni | right. STR is the primary dmg modifier for all physical ws. AGI is the secondary modifier.
TP is to help with accuracy like murp said. It's a very inaccurate ws at 100% tp | Man, I could have sworn that my Rock Crusher (staff) was doing more damage to yagudo while farming at 300% than 100%. Thanks for the sig, Selphiie!!
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BLU 1 / PLD 1 / BRD 1 / RNG 1 / NIN 1 / SAM 1 Bonecraft 63 / Leathercraft 19 / Fishing 7 Windhurst Rank 5 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-11-2007, 12:13 PM | #8 (permalink) | | Lightness Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,393 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 92 Thanked 129x in 77 Posts Gil: 10,499 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 10,499 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? I dont think that page is completely accurate, well its not wrong but its incomplete.
If you look here: Weapon Skill Data, Formulae, and Testing
This is where almost everyone gets these numbers from (not the actual post, but the info in the post).
AGI is the secondary mod for sidewinder. STR will always be the main mod for any physical dmg ws. STR also is used in the check against the mobs VIT.
This link here talks about why str is always the best thing to increase when it comes to ws (must sift thru the ki bs a bit though): http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=50152
Usually people look at the line of a bunch of numbers and just think that oh AGI, that must be the main mod since its the only stat I see in the long list of things for sidewinder. Yes, it contributes to dmg but not as much as you think. Omni@Remora: NIN75 RNG75 MNK75 COR75 BST63 BRD45
♪♫ San d'Oria Complete ♪♫ ZM Complete ♪♫ CoP Complete ♪♫ AM Complete ♪♫ | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-11-2007, 12:19 PM | #9 (permalink) | | Lightness Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,393 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 92 Thanked 129x in 77 Posts Gil: 10,499 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 10,499 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? Originally Posted by Lambeaus | | Man, I could have sworn that my Rock Crusher (staff) was doing more damage to yagudo while farming at 300% than 100%. | TP for sidewinder affects accuracy. TP for other ws may differ for what they affect. If you notice the blurb when you open the ws menu, it will tell you want tp counts towards. Omni@Remora: NIN75 RNG75 MNK75 COR75 BST63 BRD45
♪♫ San d'Oria Complete ♪♫ ZM Complete ♪♫ CoP Complete ♪♫ AM Complete ♪♫ | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-11-2007, 12:22 PM | #10 (permalink) | | Lightness Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,393 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 92 Thanked 129x in 77 Posts Gil: 10,499 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 10,499 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? Originally Posted by raidenn | | Would this mean using Martial Bow would be better for Acc when firing Sidewinder? | yea it would... but martial bow has a crappy base dmg and also no other stats.
Delay on martial bow is shorter too, so your tp return on normal shots, barrage and benefit from quick shot are reduced. Omni@Remora: NIN75 RNG75 MNK75 COR75 BST63 BRD45
♪♫ San d'Oria Complete ♪♫ ZM Complete ♪♫ CoP Complete ♪♫ AM Complete ♪♫ | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-11-2007, 12:28 PM | #11 (permalink) | | From Beneath You, It Devours Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,439 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 43 Thanked 150x in 105 Posts Gil: 18,288 Bank: 56,315 Total Gil: 74,603 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? Originally Posted by Omni | yea it would... but martial bow has a crappy base dmg and also no other stats.
Delay on martial bow is shorter too, so your tp return on normal shots, barrage and benefit from quick shot are reduced. | Especially considering that its not equipable until lvl. 72, at which point accuracy will not be an issue on anything other than some HNM's, in which case you'll want a Hellfire, E-bow, or S-bow for best damage.
Regular VT-low IT mobs at lvl 70, I'm not eating sushi or getting prelude, and I have little problem at all landing slugwinders at barely over 100%. You wait until 120% at that point and you'll be golden.
EDIT: Of further note, those numbers listed are the secondary modifiers. The primary modifier for all damaging ws's is STR. Studio Gobli for all your calculation needs. Don't ask me to explain ftp, pdif, and all that other stuff, though.  I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2
PSN: Caspian | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-12-2007, 12:03 AM | #12 (permalink) | | Lurker Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 247 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 1 Thanked 26x in 13 Posts Gil: 8,068 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 8,068 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? want more damage on sidewinder?
more ratk
more defense down.. which is kinda underrated so far I played this game
more STR
higher damage weapons / ammo (obviously)
more AGI | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-23-2007, 07:30 AM | #13 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 13 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Gil: 250 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 250 Donate | Re: What factor contributes to Sidewinder damage? 1.) Don't waste your $$$ on Martial Bow. It's trash, trust me.
2.) Sidewinders' Dmg is the result of a crazy calculation with, as most have said, STR and AGI being the modifiers. The exact %'s are STR_16% and AGI_25%.
3.) As VZX said you want more Ratk, def down if you can get it(Dia, acid bolts, etc), STR, higher base dmg weapon/ammo and AGI.
The order I would be concerned about them is like so:
Ratk > STR > Weapon Dmg > AGI
The Defense down from Dia I, II, III or Acids will be there so I wouldn't worry about it.
4.) As far as TP and Sideslugs go 150%TP is your safest bet. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:44 PM. | | |