Test: /check is based on net accuracy, not weapon skill

[Intensity]

You guys made it seem like weapon skill level didn't affect /check at all. Which is bullshit. That was my point all along.

As for my name change. I chose 1nt3ns1ty because when I first signed up on Dreams, Intensity was taken. Ping was kind enough to change it for me 2 months ago. Not really sure why your comment would be brought up in a derogatory sense 2 months after it's been changed but w/e.

[Spider-Dan]

You guys made it seem like weapon skill level didn't affect /check at all. Which is bullshit. That was my point all along.

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In a /check, whether the mob cons as low eva or high eva is dependant solely on your total ACC+ and not at all with your weapon skill lvl. Now, whether that same mob cons as high def or low def is dependant solely on your skill level with your currently equipped weapon and I believe your total ATK+ (Which your weapon skill directly affects).

Backtracking for the win?

Either the first sentence in that paragraph is wrong, or the second one is; they clearly indicate a different standard for the defense part of /check than the evasion part, when the standard is actually the same (net attack/accuracy). Which was MY point all along.

[Intensity]

EDIT: Well, contrary to popular belief not only does Weapon Skill level affect whether a mob /checks as high or low def, it also affect whether it checks as high low eva.

So, your skill level in your current weapon affects your acc and atk, which in turn will affect whether a mob cons as high/low def/eva.

I corrected myself in a later post. Forgive me for not being surprised that you haven't been paying attention.

[Spider-Dan]

I corrected myself in a later post.

Then I guess that hasn't been your point "all along," has it?

Notice that your original post (the one that I cited) is the one that set off all the debate. Apparently, the only person who didn't grasp the concept at hand "all along" was you.

[Intensity]

Notice:

You guys made it seem like weapon skill level didn't affect /check at all. Which is bullshit. That was my point all along.

I really wish you would quit referencing one post of mine out of context. Again, your posts are misleading. My point all along was the above. Which was a seperate post from...

In a /check, whether the mob cons as low eva or high eva is dependant solely on your total ACC+ and not at all with your weapon skill lvl. Now, whether that same mob cons as high def or low def is dependant solely on your skill level with your currently equipped weapon and I believe your total ATK+ (Which your weapon skill directly affects).

This was my first post which I amended later. I'm sick of your misleading posts. You made it seem as if /check isn't affected by Weapon Skill. I'm not saying that was your point, that's how you made it SEEM.

Your weapon skill doesn't matter for attack-defense check any more than it matters for accuracy-evasion check.

Per my tests, this is wrong. If you don't like that I didn't reference the rest of your post or if this seems out of context, trust me. I know how you feel.

Regardless, I'm done arguing semantics.

[Spider-Dan]

This was my first post which I amended later. I'm sick of your misleading posts. You made it seem as if /check isn't affected by Weapon Skill. I'm not saying that was your point, that's how you made it SEEM.

Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

Your weapon skill doesn't matter for attack-defense check any more than it matters for accuracy-evasion check.

Per my tests, this is wrong.

Incorrect. In order for your tests to show that statement to be wrong, they would have to prove that weapon skill does matter more for attack-defense check than it does for accuracy-evasion check. Your tests prove no such thing.*

Keep in mind that that little snippet is a direct response to your claim that weapon skill is a factor in defense check but isn't a factor in evasion check.

But let's cut to the chase here, shall we? The point is, weapon skill does not determine /check results. Not ONCE did I say that weapon skill does not affect your accuracy or attack; in fact, I've said the opposite several times. So for you to claim that you thought I was saying that weapon skill doesn't do anything is ridiculous at best. Reading is fundamental.

*It is true that at weapon skill levels over 200, weapon skill does impact your ATK score more than your accuracy score (1 skill = 1 ATK/0.9 ACC). However, since this is the first mention of post-200 skill in this thread, that's clearly not what you meant.

[Aeni]

Weapon Skill is a factor, because it affects everything in the end. Acc and Eva are convenient, because it's an add-on and isn't base line related. In other words, everyone is right and no one is wrong.

I think people are just focusing too much on semantics. And Spider Dan feels the need to preserve his ego for some reason. I never did like you either in another thread since you were trying to upstage everything in other threads as well. A bit bitter you were never the first one to come up with anything worthwhile to contribute to the community? *yawn*

[Lmnop]

feeling a bit subjective, Aeni? Do me a favor and stay out of this thread. You can talk trash in PMs if you want.

Spider-Dan does his best to do what everyone else is too fucking lazy to do. He fucking tests while the rest of us talk shit. His wording may have been vague to some of you, but it's nothing to get pissed at HIM about.

Intensity:I never meant the leet thing in a durogatory manor. From everything that's happened in this thread, I must tell you to stop being so damned defensive. No one wanted to attack you or your pride.
Statements such as:

Forgive me for not being surprised that you haven't been paying attention.

... just incite more fighting. Learn something from Martin Luther King Jr. please.

Spider-Dan: Same thing:

Reading is fundamental.

no one's perfect and I don't just defend Dan everywhere he goes and think him high-and-mighty. But he does what no one else does and shows us data, data, and more data. If we can't defend that, what the fuck are we posting about?

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There are many factors involved in calculating your accuracy and attack, and weapon skill is only one of them. So in a nutshell:

- /check measures your accuracy/attack vs. mob's defense/evasion
- there are many factors in calculating your accuracy/attack, including gear, base stats, food, weapon skill, and buffs/debuffs
- none of these factors directly determine /check results

This is what this thread is about. Here it is clear as it gets. If you don't understand it, read it some more.

[Intensity]

Regardless, I'm done arguing semantics.

I'm not feeding this fire anymore. This whole thing has degraded into an argument concerning wordplay. You were misleading whether you choose to admit it or not. I clarified that Weapon Skill level DOES affect /check for anyone who may have misunderstood your meaning when you said it didn't.

If you want to drag this out, go for it. I'm not gonna waste my time any more.

[Guepleubaut]

I never played rng before nerf but if you ask me in my opinion rng is still a nice dd and the /war thing i personally like wearing my archer/hawker knives because of the stats on them. I was maining rdm but i am liking rng better.