10-06-2005, 08:59 PM | #1 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 5 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 384 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 384 Donate | Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? Well as you can see in the title, does apollo or light (which one really works?) staff really effects the additional effect on Holy Bolt?  and AGI is the DMG modifier for Xbow/Gun right? and STR is the modifier for bow correct? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 10-06-2005, 10:35 PM | #2 (permalink) | | From Beneath You, It Devours Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,439 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 43 Thanked 150x in 105 Posts Gil: 18,276 Bank: 56,315 Total Gil: 74,591 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? Not sure about the apollo staff, but as for the agi/str question. STR is the main modifier for ws's on both weapons for dmg. With bow, it is the only secondary modifier, for gun and xbow both agi and str are secondary modifiers. As far as I know, only str affects the dmg for any of the weapons with normal atks, agi only affects ranged accuracy. (Only exception I know of is MND for holy bolt dmg)
As far as light/apollo staff affecting holy dmg, im not sure but does light staff give +MND? I'm guessing you're asking about a hidden effect (like the elemental bonus hidden). Not sure on that one, or heard of anyone trying.
EDIT: typed "latent" effect rather than "hidden" ><  I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2
PSN: Caspian Last edited by Caspian : 10-07-2005 at 07:24 AM. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 10-06-2005, 11:09 PM | #3 (permalink) | | Super Moderator Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Aurora, CO. Posts: 1,955 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 10,493 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 10,493 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? Both light and Apollo up the additional effect of holy bolt damage. Yup. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 10-11-2005, 11:15 PM | #4 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,009 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 11 Thanked 14x in 8 Posts Gil: 8,854 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 8,854 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? | Originally Posted by Caspian | | Not sure about the apollo staff, but as for the agi/str question. STR is the main modifier for ws's on both weapons for dmg. With bow, it is the only secondary modifier, for gun and xbow both agi and str are secondary modifiers. | That's incorrect. Archery secondary modifiers are AGI/STR, while Marksmanship secondary modifier is only AGI. | Quote: | | As far as light/apollo staff affecting holy dmg, im not sure but does light staff give +MND? I'm guessing you're asking about a hidden effect (like the elemental bonus hidden). Not sure on that one, or heard of anyone trying. | Yes, light/apollo staff does increase holy bolt damage. Furthermore, it seems that there's a cap on holy effect damage; no matter how much MND you add, it doesn't seem possible to break high 60s/low 70s.
However, two factors can push you over this "cap":
1) light/Apollo staff
2) lightsday
My personal high is 73 additional effect (103 total MND with a light staff on lightsday vs. a T Caretaker). The other RNGs who helped test this were able to reach low 90s with Apollo staff on Lightsday against TW mobs in Qufim. Centurio X-I 1/1 - Celphie 1/1 - Deadly Dodo 0/2 - Doppleganger Dio 0/1 - Jaggedy-eared Jack 0/7 - Joo Duzu the Whirlwind 1/1 - Leaping Lizzy 2/16 - Mimas 0/1 - Odqan 1/9 - Orcish Wallbreacher 0/1 - Ose 1/3 - Sagittarius X-XIII 1/1 - Serpopard Ishtar 3/6 - Silk Caterpillar 1/2 - Tom Tit Tat 0/2 - Trickster Kinetix 0/2 - Valkurm Emperor 6/10 - Wyvernpoacher Drachlox 1/1 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 10-11-2005, 11:19 PM | #5 (permalink) | | J...atatouille Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,338 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 5 Thanked 136x in 106 Posts Gil: 29,284 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 29,284 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? 90 from additional effects alone? wow that's nice. There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
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- Pablo Picasso | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 10-12-2005, 01:39 PM | #6 (permalink) | | From Beneath You, It Devours Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,439 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 43 Thanked 150x in 105 Posts Gil: 18,276 Bank: 56,315 Total Gil: 74,591 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? | Originally Posted by Spider-Dan | | That's incorrect. Archery secondary modifiers are AGI/STR, while Marksmanship secondary modifier is only AGI. | Do'h! Might help if I actually proofread my posts and crosschecked my references before posting ><. My bad dan.  I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2
PSN: Caspian | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 10-12-2005, 02:14 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,009 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 11 Thanked 14x in 8 Posts Gil: 8,854 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 8,854 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? | Originally Posted by Jei | | 90 from additional effects alone? wow that's nice. | Sorry, that was a typo. I meant low 80s. Centurio X-I 1/1 - Celphie 1/1 - Deadly Dodo 0/2 - Doppleganger Dio 0/1 - Jaggedy-eared Jack 0/7 - Joo Duzu the Whirlwind 1/1 - Leaping Lizzy 2/16 - Mimas 0/1 - Odqan 1/9 - Orcish Wallbreacher 0/1 - Ose 1/3 - Sagittarius X-XIII 1/1 - Serpopard Ishtar 3/6 - Silk Caterpillar 1/2 - Tom Tit Tat 0/2 - Trickster Kinetix 0/2 - Valkurm Emperor 6/10 - Wyvernpoacher Drachlox 1/1 Last edited by Spider-Dan : 11-01-2005 at 11:55 PM. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2006, 03:43 AM | #8 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 65 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 65 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? Light Staff increases damage by 10%
Apollo Staff increases damage by 15% | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2006, 08:30 AM | #9 (permalink) | | Digital Wizard Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 6,018 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 69 Thanked 465x in 306 Posts Gil: 3,105 Bank: 108,404 Total Gil: 111,509 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? There are a few other things that can affect Holy Bolt damage:
Darksday should impact it randomly by -10%, as well as Gloom weather (1 darkness icon, randomly -10%) weather, or Darkness weather (2 darkness icon, -10% to -20%). Note that the arena for the Shadow Lord, as well as Dynamis, are always permanently Darkness weather.
Lightsday, as mentioned, will occasionally boost by 10%. Aurora (1 light icon) weather can boost by 10% randomly, and Stellar Glare (2 light icon) weather can boost by 10-20%. All three of these bonuses can be made consistent by wearing a Korin Obi: http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6559
Icemage | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2006, 08:34 AM | #10 (permalink) | | Undeniably Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Where there is pumpkin pies and high fives! Posts: 1,744 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10x in 2 Posts Gil: 26,386 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 26,386 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? Icemage, don't you mean 0 to 10%(and maybe factors inbetween percents), not randomly 10%. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2006, 08:52 AM | #11 (permalink) | | Lurker Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 247 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 1 Thanked 26x in 13 Posts Gil: 8,067 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 8,067 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? | Originally Posted by Icemage | There are a few other things that can affect Holy Bolt damage:
Darksday should impact it randomly by -10%, as well as Gloom weather (1 darkness icon, randomly -10%) weather, or Darkness weather (2 darkness icon, -10% to -20%). Note that the arena for the Shadow Lord, as well as Dynamis, are always permanently Darkness weather.
Lightsday, as mentioned, will occasionally boost by 10%. Aurora (1 light icon) weather can boost by 10% randomly, and Stellar Glare (2 light icon) weather can boost by 10-20%. All three of these bonuses can be made consistent by wearing a Korin Obi: http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/6559
Icemage | hmm so what's the total benefit then?
30% light damage up? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2006, 08:58 AM | #12 (permalink) | | Digital Wizard Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 6,018 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 69 Thanked 465x in 306 Posts Gil: 3,105 Bank: 108,404 Total Gil: 111,509 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? Re: BRP
Yes, I probably should have been more specific. Each bonus gives either 0%, 10%, or 20% respectively, as appropriate to the conditions. | Originally Posted by VZX | hmm so what's the total benefit then?
30% light damage up? | With a Korin Obi on Lightsday during Stellar Glare weather (2 light icons), yes, you'd get a consistent +30% damage boost.
Icemage | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2006, 09:44 AM | #13 (permalink) | | Lurker Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 247 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 1 Thanked 26x in 13 Posts Gil: 8,067 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 8,067 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? Did you see someone testing this ? or maybe you did test this by yourself?
Thanks for the info though. This might be a good replacement for RK Belt for TP | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-07-2006, 11:39 PM | #14 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,009 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 11 Thanked 14x in 8 Posts Gil: 8,854 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 8,854 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? Korin Obi is a static 10% boost on Lightsday only, as opposed to the occasional boost (but MND+2) you'd get with RKB+2.
I thought about trying to get a Korin Obi, but ultimately decided that it's essentially inventory-1. If there was an exp spot that consisently had light/double light weather, maybe. But I doubt I'll even remember to wear Korin Obi on Lightsday during the course of an exp party. Centurio X-I 1/1 - Celphie 1/1 - Deadly Dodo 0/2 - Doppleganger Dio 0/1 - Jaggedy-eared Jack 0/7 - Joo Duzu the Whirlwind 1/1 - Leaping Lizzy 2/16 - Mimas 0/1 - Odqan 1/9 - Orcish Wallbreacher 0/1 - Ose 1/3 - Sagittarius X-XIII 1/1 - Serpopard Ishtar 3/6 - Silk Caterpillar 1/2 - Tom Tit Tat 0/2 - Trickster Kinetix 0/2 - Valkurm Emperor 6/10 - Wyvernpoacher Drachlox 1/1 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-10-2006, 04:05 PM | #15 (permalink) | | Digital Wizard Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 6,018 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 69 Thanked 465x in 306 Posts Gil: 3,105 Bank: 108,404 Total Gil: 111,509 Donate | Re: Does Apollo Staff effect Holy Bolts? | Originally Posted by VZX | Did you see someone testing this ? or maybe you did test this by yourself?
Thanks for the info though. This might be a good replacement for RK Belt for TP | I own the Suirin (Water) and Anrin (Dark) Obis, and several of my LS members have the light obi. All of us have tested and confirmed the bonus effects. All of the following occur naturally anyway, but only rarely. The obis make the bonus effects 100% consistent:
+10% damage during appropriate day
+10% damage per correct weather icon
+10% Cure Potency for light obi per day/weather icon
The light and dark elemental obis in particular are popular due to the constant presence of 2xDark weather in Dynamis, and the 2xLight weather in parts of Limbus.
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