After the Update! you going to continue ranger ?

[Luckyseven]

SAM/NIN can solo better than us, WAR/NIN can solo better than us, not sure about DRK/NIN though.

And please, cut the bullshit with soloing worms. What the fuck do worms drop, besides Phantom Worm. In reality, worms don't drop anything, our combat skills suck, and now we're getting nerfed (only nerfed if they're saying you have to stand at a certain distance to do damage now).

So, say I'm farming gobbues. I pull one with a Ranged Attack post-patch at optimal range and do 100% dmg. Then what does he do? Gobbues dont stay at range, they run up to you. Now what can a ranger do? Hope to use some of his evasion to not deal any damage because point blank doesn't work anymore?

Yes Ranger is very powerful in exp parties, but we pay out the ass for it, and melee jobs are more balanced on HNM.

Please, please shut the fuck up about soloing worms. We know Ranger can solo worms. We also know they don't drop anything but Earth Crystals.

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by MAK
DRK/NIN is horrible for solo. I can't speak for SAM/NIN but I'm sure it's just as bad. Blink does not save your ass. DRK/RDM or DRK/WHM will solo a millions times better then a DRK/NIN. How can a SAM/NIN solo better then you? You can both sub NIN and SAMs don't have the best evasion in the world. NIN sub for solo is trash normally unless you are a THF or a RDM.

PLD/NIN is pretty damn good for solo too But yea, most jobs cant take advantage of shadows because they just go down too fast without the evade of thf and nin, or the ninjutsu debuffs.

On the topic of RNG solo, it's pretty much just sleep bolt spam until you got tp, ws, then sleep bolt spam some more.

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Originally posted by Luckyseven
SAM/NIN can solo better than us, WAR/NIN can solo better than us, not sure about DRK/NIN though.

That's just wrong. Have you ever sat there and spammed sleep bolts? It works. No way can a SAM/NIN solo better than a RNG, a WAR/NIN needs an assload of evade gear. DRK/NIN is decent, but as was said before, /WHM is better. RNG has the advantage of constant sleep bolts though, so you can rarely get hit.

[MAK]

Originally posted by Luckyseven
And please, cut the bullshit with soloing worms. What the fuck do worms drop, besides Phantom Worm.

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Please, please shut the fuck up about soloing worms. We know Ranger can solo worms. We also know they don't drop anything but Earth Crystals.

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[toan]

Originally posted by Mephisto
PLD/NIN is pretty damn good for solo too But yea, most jobs cant take advantage of shadows because they just go down too fast without the evade of thf and nin, or the ninjutsu debuffs.

On the topic of RNG solo, it's pretty much just sleep bolt spam until you got tp, ws, then sleep bolt spam some more.

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That's just wrong. Have you ever sat there and spammed sleep bolts? It works. No way can a SAM/NIN solo better than a RNG, a WAR/NIN needs an assload of evade gear. DRK/NIN is decent, but as was said before, /WHM is better. RNG has the advantage of constant sleep bolts though, so you can rarely get hit.

that's wrong (_) i'm sam75 and rng75 , sam/nin better and faster kill than rng/nin when you solo, ok for example when i want coffer key i bring my sam to solo them , easy fight and fast no sleep no nothing , third Eye to cover if shadow drops too fast and recast shadow, meditate to kill fast with head af and hand af i kill easy too fast , and depend on the mob if i fight mage type i open the fight with Tachi:Gekkeo = Silence if fighter type i open with tachi: Kash = Paralyze , aslo Tachi: Yukikaze = Blind , ya that's fun :sweat: , meditate your silence mp if needed ,


ok SAM EVASION = B+ really help when solo, they will miss you too much, sometime you can solo with ni only, hmm if you add evasion merit (_)


SAM Parry = A (also help too much when solo )


aslo SAM can use Sleep Arrow , SAM Archery = C+


i tried both sam/nin and rng/nin , sleep bolt take hung time if they land, , SAM/NIN better than RNG on solo and dont forget SAM can use all evasion gear SH etc... rng cant cant use SH



some information on SAM's WS :

Tachi:Gekkeo = Silence
tachi: Kash = Paralyze
Tachi: Yukikaze = Blind


i have no clue about WAR/NIN , :sweat: i'm not WAR since war evasion = C and parry also C Rank.

[Mephisto]

Ok you have a point- on coffer mobs. But RNG can solo harder things, simply because you can spam sleep, and with shadows, very rarely get hit.

[Luckyseven]

Mephisto, there are sleep ARROWS too. Sam has second best Archery rank.

hmm...

[Sepukku]

and melee jobs are more balanced on HNM.

So besides meditate (3min recast), /THF Abilities (1 min), or Sleeping TP for Spirits, you guys arent the more powerful job; standing there shooting Kirin? Please tell me how that works. Last I checked a lot of HNM LSes just go RNG-crazy on Kirin, with Shadowbind and all.

our combat skills suck

Id kill to have Rampage when farming. Im still doing Fast Blade at level 61. RDM get by with a gimpy sword WS soloing and just as bad Shield/Parry/Evasion skills on TW farming, and no I dont even need Phalanx or Stoneskin to farm TW.

It depends on how TW they are, if youre farming something that was EP 1-3 levels ago, its gonna beat you up, but if youre say 50+ in Korrokola or 55+ in East Altepa, etc, then you'll be fine. Dont whine that you get beat up by a Gobbue at level 60 though. Dont farm them til 70+ if you have to. Also, here's a tip. Don't farm as /THF15, take THF to 30 for a second passive Evasion Bonus.

Also, have you considered other ways to make money? You forget, you guys are one of them best NM campers, next to only THF/RNG, with Widescan, Flee, Treasure Hunter, and Shadowbind (claiming). Try camping some NMs.

Have you considered fishing? Here's a simple fishing guide that will get you to 66 fishing and get you LOTS of money:
0-11 Moat Carp
11-27 Nebomonites
27-66 Noble Ladys (and still catching Nebs in the process).
--Moat Carp 4k/12.
--Nebomonites 10k/12.
--Noble Ladys 25k/12.

Farming isnt the only way to make money in this game, nor is crafting.

[Lmnop]

am I the only one that noticed the list of RNG costs was a bit overboard...?

sure, RNG pay more, but I can use a Sonic Belt and a Peacock Charm as a war, you know. I don't get to run around wearing Courage Rings all day. The other melee buy equip too. Also, the money = damage thing is getting very old as I've met too many rich moron rngs who obviously buy their gil.

I don't mean to be the war troll on the rng boards, but come on, you know these updates won't be that bad. You prolly won't get to melee with your daggers for a few points of extra tp and who knows? maybe you can find a good, close range weapon for farming.

[Sepukku]

That's true. The HQ bows last I checked range from 30-80k (going by the prices I checked on Shiva before emigrating to Midgardsmor). The good (and -expected-) weapons for other melees are much more. HQ Axes (x2) and Viking Axes for WAR/NIN, Great Axes such as Neckchopper, Massive Darksteel Axe for WAR/MNK. Mythril Knuckles+1 (or Tourney Patas), Spartan Cesti for MNK. Vassigo's Scythe for DRK (The +5 ACC, -5% HP one), Corsair's Knife (often x2), Hopilities Harpe's (on occasion, x2) for THF. I'm not familiar with prices for Polearms (DRGs) and Great Katana's (SAMs) but they too probably have similiar prices.

The only thing I can thank a Ranger for economy-wise is that they make Clothcraft (Fletchings, plus just another job that will buy Shinobi-Tabi), and Woodworking (Ammunition) a lot easier to level.

[Lmnop]

I did just realize that this will make RNGs as trick buddies a li'l hard to pull off. I guess we'll see what happens.

[Linkoq]

am I the only one that noticed the list of RNG costs was a bit overboard...?

sure, RNG pay more, but I can use a Sonic Belt and a Peacock Charm as a war, you know. I don't get to run around wearing Courage Rings all day. The other melee buy equip too. Also, the money = damage thing is getting very old as I've met too many rich moron rngs who obviously buy their gil.

I don't mean to be the war troll on the rng boards, but come on, you know these updates won't be that bad. You prolly won't get to melee with your daggers for a few points of extra tp and who knows? maybe you can find a good, close range weapon for farming.

yup everyone can buy expensive gear, but when when we talk about ammo cost
and not fair to gimp it like this, wtf i spend all this time farming/Crafting to buy
ammo/gear/food/Shihei before every exp pt , when all melees just farming for gear/food , that's really not fair , , everyday you need to farm for exp pt




That's Really Depressing FOR All Ranger's , anyway i'm going to wait to the update , but i'm sure 100% ><><>< this update will destroy the Ranger Job !!

[Riceman]

wow.... i dont think ill ever touch my ranger gear again

[Anaki]

yknow rangers will probaly still klick total ass in a normal exp party but they wont be able to arrow burn as effectively maybye. be fun to see rangers who dont wuss out working on the sweet spots of range and all the posts on this site of parser results of 3 rangers exact same gear/race/food but each different range to show damage difference

[Tipsy]

I think when I get RNG to 70 i'm going to go RDM, something about RDM AF + scorpion harness + awesome soloing skills that makes me want to play it ;p

[elias]

I don't really see this as a nerf, but instead something to do while playing rng as opposed to pressing down your range attack macro every 5 seconds.

The distance change probably wont increase dmg anymore than what is being done now, but it'll definatly make things more interesting, and differentiate the skilled and not skilled.