03-26-2005, 07:05 AM | #16 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 1,013 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9x in 9 Posts Gil: 3,573 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,573 Donate | Studio Gobli has the list in Japanese. http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Part/6371/
Anyway, here's the list in English. Those that aren't listed here are still unknown. +Evasion
(R1) Beatle: Rhino Guard
(R1) Big Bird: Feather Barrier
(R1) Pugil: Water Shield
(R2) Antica: Sand Veil
(R3) Tonberry: Sigh +Defence
(R1) Crawler: Cocoon
(R1) Crab: Scissor Guard
(R3) Antica: Sand Shield
(R1) Orc: Arm Block
(R1) Yagudo: Parry
(R1) Qudav: Shell Guard +Attack
(R1) MNK: Boost
(R2) WAR: Warcry -Evasion
(R1) Lizard: Infrasonics
(R1) Bat: Ultrasonics
(R1) G.Axe: Shield Break
(R2) G.Axe: Full Break
(R4) Fenrir: Lunar Cry -Defence
(R1) Crossbow: Acid Bolt
(R1) G.Axe: Armor Break
(R1) Staff: Shell Crusher
(R2) G.Axe: Full Break -Attack
(R1) G.Axe: Weapon Break
(R2) G.Axe: Full Break -Accuracy
(R2) G.Axe: Full Break
(R4) Fenrir: Lunar Cry | | ::Quote Selected:: | | The following user says "Thank You" to Apple Pie for above post: | | | 03-26-2005, 08:18 AM | #18 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 199 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 772 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 772 Donate | um think of it this way
say a crawler slwos you with that thread attack. a mage hastes you, haste overwrites slow so even after u get hasted a mage who will erase you gets a no effect.
same dealy on defense + and defense - it overwrites | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-26-2005, 11:33 AM | #19 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 166 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 166 Donate | What would happen if I use Full break(R2) and the mob uses a R3+ buff?? Would the effect of full break be cancelled or would it stay on?? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-26-2005, 11:35 AM | #20 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 118 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 317 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 317 Donate | | Quote: | Originally posted by ruff0123 What would happen if I use Full break(R2) and the mob uses a R3+ buff?? Would the effect of full break be cancelled or would it stay on?? | Cancelled. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-26-2005, 03:08 PM | #21 (permalink) | | From Beneath You, It Devours Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,479 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 46 Thanked 162x in 113 Posts Gil: 22,845 Bank: 87,061 Total Gil: 109,906 Donate | Thanks Apple, kinda a follow up and more along the lines of what Macht said.
Here's about as good of a representation as I can get (numbers are made up)
Crawlers def at beginning of fight: 100
Crawlers def after I hit it with an acid bolt: 60
Crawlers def after it uses Cocoon: 150
Now if I shoot another acid bolt will it turn its defense to 100 or return it all the way to 60...More specifically w/o the numbers does its cancel effect merely cancel out the cocoon or does it both cancel the cocoon AND lower defense again?
Based on the fact that both are Rank 1 powers I would guess that it works to cancel the effect AND lower the defense again seeing how it using cocoon both cancelled out the holy bolt effect AND raised its def further (this is assuming the def boost from cocoon isnt absolutely astronomical, i'm not sure which since I havent really taken care to notice other pt members dmg b/w fights when I'm using bow and fights when I'm using x-bow w/ holy bolts)
Sorry for being so long-winded and wordy I hope everyone can understand what I'm asking/stating. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-26-2005, 07:35 PM | #22 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 1,013 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9x in 9 Posts Gil: 3,573 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,573 Donate | Crawlers def at beginning of fight: 100
Crawlers def after I hit it with an acid bolt: 60
Crawlers def after it uses Cocoon: 150
--- After I shoot another Acid Bolt ---
Crawlers def goes down to 60 again since new effect overwrites the old one. It's not like the spell, Dispel that simply removes the effect. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-27-2005, 09:47 AM | #23 (permalink) | | 6b Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dagenham, Essex, England Posts: 1,212 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 2,852 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,852 Donate | Thanks Apple Pie though one or two missing off that list most notably Wyvern's Wind Wall. I think we can all agree that's around R20 though.  【MNK 75 - WAR 75 - NIN 75 - BRD 75 - WHM 75】 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-27-2005, 01:28 PM | #24 (permalink) | | From Beneath You, It Devours Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,479 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 46 Thanked 162x in 113 Posts Gil: 22,845 Bank: 87,061 Total Gil: 109,906 Donate | | Quote: | Originally posted by Apple Pie Crawlers def goes down to 60 again since new effect overwrites the old one. It's not like the spell, Dispel that simply removes the effect. | Awesome, thanks Apple. So I guess when fighting mobs with Rank1 def boosts its better to have a RNG with acid bolts than a RDM with dispel.
That is if it has no other buffs that you'll need to get rid of. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-03-2005, 04:58 PM | #25 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,009 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 11 Thanked 14x in 8 Posts Gil: 10,228 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 10,228 Donate | Hmmm. You would think that since Haste outranks Sticky Thread (Slow), that Hastega would outrank Spider Web (Slowga?).
It doesn't.
Another question... I had disease effect from raptor breath, and when I fought a cockatrice and it tried to use petrify on me, I got a "No effect." Does disease outrank petrify? If so, that could be pretty useful (especially for jobs without MP). Centurio X-I 1/1 - Celphie 1/1 - Deadly Dodo 0/2 - Doppleganger Dio 0/1 - Jaggedy-eared Jack 0/7 - Joo Duzu the Whirlwind 1/1 - Leaping Lizzy 2/16 - Mimas 0/1 - Odqan 1/9 - Orcish Wallbreacher 0/1 - Ose 1/3 - Sagittarius X-XIII 1/1 - Serpopard Ishtar 3/6 - Silk Caterpillar 1/2 - Tom Tit Tat 0/2 - Trickster Kinetix 0/2 - Valkurm Emperor 6/10 - Wyvernpoacher Drachlox 1/1 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-04-2005, 12:38 AM | #26 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 806 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 730 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 730 Donate | This information is so handy. The concept never even struck my mind.... Just wow. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:03 AM. | | |