Becoming a Ranger...

[Fingolfin]

When FF XI finally is released in Europe, I will be a Mithra Ranger/Thief. However, I begin with the thief until level 30, and then i am going to do the Ranger quest. When I am ranger level 17, can I have the thief subjob, even if my thief is at level 30? I don't know how the subjob system works, so...

If I can't be a Rng/Thf because my thief is too high (I read somewhere your sub is half your main) I will take the Ninja as a sub. Is that a good choice?

Greetings, ~F~

[Rodin]

Your subjob will be half of your main. So, for example when you get your ranger, your job will look like this when you start out. Level 1 Ranger/Level 1 Theif. Then when you're a higher level, you will look more like this Level 60 Ranger/ Level 30 Thief. You will have all of the abilities of a level 30 thief like flee and steal, but you can't use the two hour ability of a thief.

[Fingolfin]

okay thanks...
And...It's just all about the abilities then? Okay thanks, Never been able to find a FAQ or topic to clear out that specific question. The Subjob FAQ on gamefaqs.com just said: Your sub is half your main...

[maytrix]

Another tip. Don't be a Ranger/Thief. It sucks.

[Vertigo]

RNG/THF will still own just about every other class Especially at certain levels.

RNG/NIN or RNG/WAR is just more effective though

[Fingolfin]

Mm I don't know for sure yet, only thing I know is that I start off with Thief until level 30, I hope to be rich then (well, sort off) and be able to afford the ranger job until level 20/30 without excessive farming.

I always can switch subjobs, but one question...
Don't thiefs give you handy bonuses like agility or dexterity? These are handy for a Ranger, right?

Still undecided what his subjob will be,
~F~

[Hattori Hanzo]

Originally posted by Fingolfin

Don't thiefs give you handy bonuses like agility or dexterity? These are handy for a Ranger, right?


~F~

Subjobs are for abilities, not stats. Thief has zero abilities beneficial to an xp party.

RNG/THF 50+ is a major farming combo though.

[Rodin]

Subjobs are for abilities, not stats. Thief has zero abilities beneficial to an xp party

WRONG!!!!!

[Timoham]

At level 59, a Mithra RNG/THF and RNG/NIN has the exact same AGI at 72, /THF has one more DEX. A mithra RNG/WAR has 71 AGI at the same level. Hattori is mostly right, though. THF gives absolutely no added abilities beneficial for partying. Sneak attack and trick attack do not work with ranged attacks, so that rules out that. But /WAR has Berserk, added attack bonuses, added defense bonuses, defender (which isn't that great), and a bit higher STR over /NIN (2 more at 59). /NIN is also awesome for blink, dual wielding archer's knives, and also (I'm not sure if it stacks with awareness though...) stealth, which if it does stack with awareness, gives you even less of a chance of getting aggro'd by a mob.

And Rodin, in the case of RNG, the subjob really is all about the abilities, not really the stats.

So, the tip I can give to you Fingolfin is to weigh out which of those two subjobs you think would benefit your playing style.

Make sure to take a look at these posts when considering playing RNG:
http://ffxionline.com/forums/showthr...threadid=17917
and
http://ffxionline.com/forums/showthr...threadid=34986

Hope these tips help you out

Also, if anyone wants to know where and how I calculated these stats, this webpage does it.
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~nhart/Status_calculator.htm

It only works up to level 59 because at 60 the equation changes and he hasn't found the equation yet.

[Fingolfin]

MM okay for all tips and comments. I really appreciate it!
I think it will be Ninja, because all of the defense things the warrior adds is completely useless. I don't know about berserk, I mean, damage dealing is better with weapon skills for killing and for the rest just shooting, instead of berserk and draw to much hate? Well, just say if i'm plain wrong, but thats the way I think about it now and thats why I prefer Ninja now. Also, dual wield archer's knives is great, I heard that a lot.

Can't wait for the release here,
~F~

[Timoham]

Just depends on your playing style. I like berserk for WS and barrage and such. It does add significant damage, but I'm currently levelling NIN to sub. But I'm going to keep them both available as subjobs to be versatile.