09-20-2007, 07:32 AM | #1 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 96 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 54 Thanked 6x in 6 Posts Gil: 3,194 Bank: 14,985 Total Gil: 18,179 Donate | Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? I was going to post this in the Dancer thread, but I didn't want to derail it.
A few people have already shared their opinion on which jobs they believe are tanks, but I wanted to see if we could get more input. I agree that War and Pld were intended to be tanks from their inception, and that Nin has become a tank through player interpretation/preference. What other jobs can actually be a tank from lvl 10-75?
An Ls mate once told me that SE intended for Sam to be a tank. What do you think/know? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 07:34 AM | #2 (permalink) | | Senior Veteran Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,572 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 114 Thanked 1,399x in 846 Posts Gil: 3,979 Bank: 218,962 Total Gil: 222,941 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? 10-75 is a very large window. Jobs that can tank at one part may not be able to at others.
10-20 almost every DD job can tank. SAM was never meant to be a tank. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 07:38 AM | #3 (permalink) | | LOLDRG Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 852 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 88 Thanked 65x in 47 Posts Gil: 14,074 Bank: 52,801 Total Gil: 66,875 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? It really depends on what you are doing. War, Nin, Pld are usually only looked at as tanks. I have had mnks, thfs and blus tank things outside of exp parties. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 07:38 AM | #4 (permalink) | | Alone Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 3,145 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 251 Thanked 295x in 206 Posts Gil: 18,318 Bank: 21,106 Total Gil: 39,424 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? 10-32 almost anyone can tank tbh.
Ninja, Paladin, Warrior can all easily tank. Blue Mage can also tank with alot of work, and getting the right gear. Sam can parry tank, or was said too. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 07:39 AM | #5 (permalink) | | Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: Al'Taieu Posts: 2,687 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 465 Thanked 448x in 312 Posts Gil: 5,593 Bank: 41,001 Total Gil: 46,594 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? In some parties up to the mid-40's, I fully believe that MNKs can tank. They have tons of HP and pretty damn good defense.
I really only believe that PLD and NIN are tanks at higher levels though, you just can't put a WAR in a bloodtanking situation without a backup tank tagging along with him, no matter what he subs. Even the best WARs can't hold hate as well, and just don't have the VIT/DEF to hold up to an IT++ mob smacking them.
But yeah, in the Dunes, you can have almost anything tank, even RDM. ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~Aksannyi~~Hades~~75WHM~75RDM~62WAR~71BLM~~Mama Gamer~~<3 Cerealkiller~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~  ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 07:57 AM | #6 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 96 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 54 Thanked 6x in 6 Posts Gil: 3,194 Bank: 14,985 Total Gil: 18,179 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? Oh I completely agree that at lower levels there are many jobs that can tank as well as War, Pld, and Nin. When I think of labeling a job a Tank, I am considering all levels. Sure a Rdm/War can tank in the Dunes, but I will never think of a Rdm as a Tank. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 08:13 AM | #7 (permalink) | | X's General FFXIWiki Team Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 3,002 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 260 Thanked 754x in 409 Posts Gil: 50,540 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 50,540 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? RDM/WAR can blood tank past the Dunes with Phalanx, but that's neither here nor there.
If you define "tank job" as a job who is primarily invited to fill the tanking role in EXP parties and events, with all other possible roles being secondary, you'd have PLD and NIN.
The community has mostly pushed WAR towards a DD role. WARs can main tank at certain levels with the right support. However, they can always successfully be a secondary tank (i.e. hold the mob temporarily while taking little damage, and be able to do this regularly and frequently.) Two WAR/NINs can also duo tank very successfully. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 08:47 AM | #8 (permalink) | | Fence Sitter Brain of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,342 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 53 Thanked 90x in 68 Posts Gil: 4,076 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 4,076 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? Rdm can tank at endgame pretty effectively, but not through normal xp. Originally Posted by Aksannyi | | "As a RDM, it should irk you to the depths of your soul when a mob had the audacity to buff itself in front of you." | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 09:01 AM | #9 (permalink) | | <3 Duo/Trio Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 159 Style: Light - Version 5 Thanks: 9 Thanked 22x in 18 Posts Gil: 6,428 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 6,428 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? People who enjoy tanking can make SAM/WAR, MNK/WAR, and WAR/MNK viable normal XP tanks long after PLD gets Flash and NIN gets Ni. However, they require lots of healing and a THF or /THF post Lv60, but they will be able to maintain hate while potentially doing more damage than anyone else in the party. Personally I've done a few THF burns while tanking as SAM/RNG, but I've given that up for SAM/WAR with polearm.
SAM/WAR
Damage Mitigation: Seigan+Third Eye (Easily >20%), Parry (~5%), Evasion (~5%)
Hate Generation: Provoke, Counters, Weaponskills, Warcry (Lv70+), Some +Enmity Gear
MNK/WAR
Damage Mitigation: Counter (10-19%), Guard, Evasion
Hate Generation: Provoke, Boost, Counters, Weaponskills, Warcry (Lv70+), Some +Enmity Gear
WAR/MNK (WAR/NIN post Lv74 and WAR/SAM post Lv70)
Damage Mitigation: Counter (10-12%), Parry, Evasion
Hate Generation: Provoke, Boost, Warcry, Counters, Weaponskills, Best +Enmity Gear
SAM/WAR will mitigate the most damage while MNK/WAR and WAR/MNK have more hate tools other than damage. Last edited by Ryoii/Nonomii : 09-20-2007 at 09:51 AM. Reason: Forgot about +enmity gear | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 09:15 AM | #10 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 776 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 11 Thanked 126x in 92 Posts Gil: 148 Bank: 2,958 Total Gil: 3,106 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? War I think was an intended tank from start, but like others have said it has been pushed to a DD role with the trends of TP burn and zerging mobs. War/whm was actually a popular tank job on kings until for plds were suited better for the job.
A lot of jobs of course can tank 74+. I've tanked as whm/nin in bone parties in KRT. Not the most effective parties, as there really arn't a lot of whms that have a melee setup and the macros to match. See a lot of variety in tanking rolls in various events, missions and KSNM/BCNMs as well.
Bard was an excellent tank till they nerf mazurka. They still can, but very difficult for them to hold hate.
Blu I find an excellent tank to around mid 40s. They can hold hate fairly well, and can reduce the damage they take as well. But again, not a lot of blus gear up for the role.
For jobs that were actually designed to tank, I'd say Pld and War. Nin I don't think was designed to tank, but once SE saw the trend they started giving them gears that would help them with that role. A lot of jobs like thf, sam, and mnk have traits and abilities that help them temporarily tank when they take hate. But I don't think they were designed to main tank. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 09:20 AM | #11 (permalink) | | Dynamis Guru Join Date: May 2006 Location: Roe Dilund Posts: 583 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 265 Thanked 54x in 45 Posts Gil: 26,448 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 26,448 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? Originally Posted by Mhurron | 10-75 is a very large window. Jobs that can tank at one part may not be able to at others.
10-20 almost every DD job can tank. SAM was never meant to be a tank. | Maybe, but with sub-NIN+Third Eye and the addition of Seigan it definitely can tank. Olorin - Ramuh Server WHM75 BRD75 BLM75 RDM72 SMN39 SCH37 - TheAfterLife LS  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 09:27 AM | #12 (permalink) | | Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 1,733 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 170 Thanked 425x in 259 Posts Gil: 20,926 Bank: 69,955 Total Gil: 90,881 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? I'm still waiting for a merit party that consists of me tanking as RDM/NIN, with a BRD and 4 /THF 2-handers. I'll show you who's a tank job!! | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 09:28 AM | #13 (permalink) | | Veteran Member Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,007 Style: Light - Version 4 Thanks: 101 Thanked 240x in 167 Posts Gil: 13,828 Bank: 124,498 Total Gil: 138,326 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? Originally Posted by Olorin401 | | Maybe, but with sub-NIN+Third Eye and the addition of Seigan it definitely can tank. | Seigan and /nin sub really do not work well together.
And people feel Sam was meant as a Tank due to it's AF which is high def with some enimity iirc, high Vit and HP, and Third Eye, while using WS to hold hate. I personally see it more as a sub tank though as main tanking with it only works to a certain lvl. And I say this as someone who has main tanked on Sam in his 30s against Goblins. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 09:56 AM | #14 (permalink) | | <3 Duo/Trio Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 159 Style: Light - Version 5 Thanks: 9 Thanked 22x in 18 Posts Gil: 6,428 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 6,428 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? People aften also forget that SAM/MNK/WAR can all get a significant amount of +enmity. When I was tanking as SAM/RNG, I used my AF feet (+5), Dorado Sushi (+3), High Breath Mantle (+5), and 2 x Eris' Earring (+2) for a total of +17 enmity. Add that to a 600+ DMG WS at the start of fights and another 400 DMG TA+WS from thief, and and you can tank really well. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-20-2007, 10:18 AM | #15 (permalink) | | Dynamis Guru Join Date: May 2006 Location: Roe Dilund Posts: 583 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 265 Thanked 54x in 45 Posts Gil: 26,448 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 26,448 Donate | Re: Tank Jobs - How many are there in FFXI? Originally Posted by Callisto | | I'm still waiting for a merit party that consists of me tanking as RDM/NIN, with a BRD and 4 /THF 2-handers. I'll show you who's a tank job!! | Let's go damnit! Tonight! You don't need a friggin paladin in a TP burn party anyways! Olorin - Ramuh Server WHM75 BRD75 BLM75 RDM72 SMN39 SCH37 - TheAfterLife LS  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:54 AM. | | |