[whazzy]

Ok. I always wanted to be a taru mage and i really want blm as my main job. But it seems to me that the only viable option for subbing blm is whm... but i don't feel like subbing whm cause i'll heal more than doing some black magic, and bein a whm wouldnt fit with my character story. So i was thinking what would be good to sub as blm?
-Rdm? Dont even talk about it
-Bard could be really good
-Summoner not a lot of info on this... still it could be really great
-melee class? not good with mage

So only 2 good thing for me would be Bard or summoner.
what u guys think about it?

Don't tell that i can be whatever i want and blablabla. I want STATS. I want my character to be good neway anything that makes my char a taru mage would make me happy.

Hoping for some answers


and feel free to talk about anything related to blm on this topic:spin:

[Mystic Fury]

im not an importer, so i havent played the game, and i cant give you stats, but i can give you some thoughts on the subject. think of it this way, if you sub with white mage, but your primary job is black mage, then, from experience with other games, people will see you as a black mage when considering to party with you. The white mage support is mainly if 1) your healer dies 2) if your healer is busy doing something else or 3) if you need to heal yourself. (there may be other scenarios, not sure) by putting black mage as your primary job, your still expected to preform as a black mage, with heavy spell damage. the white mage sub job is more of a privilege. people arent expecting you to heal them, but will be greatful if you do.

With all that said, if you want to change, i would go with summoner as your sub job. your already high Int and MP fit very well with a summoner. otherwise, stick with White mage.

[whazzy]

Yeah summoner really looks good, but hey theres gonna be a LOAD of em'

I know whm and summoner would prlby be best but...
what you think about bard?
they have great support abilities, and a regen ability for mana (dont remember the name) this could be really be helpful for being a blm you need a lot of mp... right? But i guess a party wouldnt want a blm casting some support magic...

[Mystic Fury]

hmm....well, i dont know to much about bards in this game, so i cant help much. but, if they have pre-battle support abilities, then subbing with bard isnt a bad idea. mana regen is also pretty helpful, and at times when the enemy is very spell resistant, giving the melee classes support is great, if thats how bards play. if not, then i would go with summoner or white mage to capitalize on your high magic stats.

[whazzy]

hmmm what you think are bard main attributes?
Int?
chr?

[Mystic Fury]

most likely charisma, though if they're anything like they are in other games (jack of all trades, master of none) then every stat should be not maxed, but sufficicent, with charisma the main focus.

[whazzy]

What are benefits of charisman in ffxi? lower npcs price?
neway this getting more of a bard topic than blm

bah... I'll just prlby stick with blm/whm. but ill try summoner and bard as sub too just to make different.

[IleDeusMorpheus]

First off: in general ... NEVER ever ever ever ever under any circumstances on pain of death shalt thou use Bard as a sub for anything ever!!! :sweat: :spin: or Ranger for that matter

With that said - I understand your thinking in going for a BLM/WHM. And indeed, that is an excellent combo that will yield you much happiness and all. BUT ...

Square Enix has seen the game become absolutely choked full of these 'Panda mages' and has decided to discourage their existence. How, you ask? Well ...

What makes the Panda mage so great? A lot of MP. So they gave the new Summoner class the following: a) the ability to summon and b) a whole big huge friggin' buttload of MP.

BLM/SMN is the way to go for you, I believe.

[Maxim]

The problem with subbing bard is that you can only have one song casted on your party members at all time, plus you can't use instruments so you don't get the instrument bonuses when you sing. Only a real bard can have two songs casted on you at once, plus they get the benefit of using an instrument. You don't even get the MP regen ability until level 25, meaning your black mage will have to be level 50 in order to make any use of the bard whatsoever.

Subbing summoner won't be happening any time soon since you'll have to be high leveled to get the quest and obtain the job anyway. When you get to level 18, you'll be able to do the sub-job quest, and will be forced to choose SOMETHING to sub, so until you get the summoner job you'll have to choose one of the starting jobs for your sub. I believe the summoner doesn't get the MP regen until level 20 or something like that, and if it's anything like the white mage's HP regen passive ability, it won't help much, because it regens very slowly, however summoners seem to have the most MP in the game so far so that'll probably compensate.

So when it comes down to it, your only options for an extra MP boost is either red mage or white mage, and MP is all you really need when you're fighting in parties. If you lose all of it, you're basically useless. Since white mages get more MP than red mages, most black mages sub that.

[whazzy]

Thx a lot guys
Then it's gonna be blm/whm and once i get summoner blm/smn

You guys know about pricing of spells?
I heard that starting as blm as your fisrt job was hard 'cause you didn't have the money to buy some of the first spells? is that true?

[IleDeusMorpheus]

Well, if you start in Windy like most Tarus, then spell pricing shouldn't be too much of a problem at first. If you're good with money (gawd, you have to be in this game) you'll be okay for a while.

That said, the really good high-level magics are helllllllza expenseive. That or you have to go on a really really tough quest to get them (think: Flare quest :dead: :dead: ) ... :sweat:

[Aerex_CoW]

Im wondering. When summoner pets attack do they keep building hate for the caster or just on the pet and minor hate for the caster. Cuz WHM/SUM could be cool, Healing ability, extra mp, and the ability to summon a pet for a little extra damage during battle but it would be kinda bad if the pet builds alot of hate for the caster compounded with the hate WHMs already get from healing.

[Maxim]

All the low-leveled spells are extremely cheap. You'll be able to buy them easily in the beginning of the game without any problem. If you start off as a black mage, you'll automatically come with your first spell Stone, so you don't need to be worried about running around without spells. Even if you don't start off as one, you'll be able to buy it from NPC stores for only a couple gil. It doesn't matter where you start off in the beginning either, since all the NPC magic stores sells the same generic spells, but there are certain higher-leveled spells that are only sold in certain cities. For example, so far the only place I've seen Dispel being sold is Windurst, as well as all the En-Elemental spells, and I noticed Bastok doesn't carry any status healing spells, although San d'Oria does. Most of these things you can get at the auction anyway.

[Maxim]

About the summoner's question, if you only have your summon doing all the attacking, then all the hate goes to the summon, thus the summon loses HP while you stand back and spectate. If you jump in and fight with your summon though, the damage you do will create hate toward yourself, and the damage the summons do will draw hate toward itself, and so on and so on.

[dbeeo]

For SMN....


although your pet will do damage to the monster, but the hate will transfer to you directly :sweat: << this is what i heard from the smn...

still when you are whm, it is better (and the best) to concentrat only healing only (especially after being high lvl).

for blm, you also need to be smart how to spend your mp. especially when your PT want to start renkei and you just found out you run out of mp... mean no MB... :sweat: