[Aerex_CoW]

I was thinking at the beggining of the battle a WHM/SUM could just send their pet in to attack and then forget about the pet. Let the pet do some extra damage while you focus on healing the tank. Then you would be helping in the battle that much more and you would also get a MP bonus by having SUM as your secondary. Of course you wouldnt focus on anything but healing, but having a pet along to help boost your damage output would be at least a little help. Specially if you have good tanks and the monster doesnt use any AE spells, then your pet would put out consistant damage throughout the fight and you would still be able to focus on healing with a decent ammout of MP.

[Maxim]

Dbeeo, are you sure the hate transfers to the summoner and not the summon itself? I'm know when the summon dies the monster will come attack the summoner regardless of whether the summoner did anything or not, but if the summoner stands far away from the summon and the monster fighting, the summoner is relatively safe assuming the summon stays alive.

Also, I would advice not to use any MP unless it's a real emergency if you're a summoner. MP drains every second your summon is out, so if you use MP to heal members your summon will disappear all the more quicker. The opposite is true if you're a WHM/SUM, because if you have your summon out you'll be wasting MP that could be used to keep members alive. This is why Red Mages aren't really welcome in parties since they're hybrids, and can't do anything well although they can do a little bit of everything.

[dbeeo]

Originally posted by Maxim
Dbeeo, are you sure the hate transfers to the summoner and not the summon itself? I'm know when the summon dies the monster will come attack the summoner regardless of whether the summoner did anything or not, but if the summoner stands far away from the summon and the monster fighting, the summoner is relatively safe assuming the summon stays alive.

ya.... after read you thread that just post right before my thread, I also become not sure about it... :sweat: maybe we need to check about it again??? :sweat:

wait... so far, I PT with two summoner... seem that the hate didnt transfer to summoner. maybe you are right. (or because there is a tanker??) ???

[Aerex_CoW]

Ahhh, I was not aware that a summoners MP drained while the summon was up. Well that smashes any ideas I had of using SUM for a sub heh.

[ninjaturtle]

I think if u send ur sumon to fight the hate stays on them, but they generate such little agro each hit that if you come in a start swinging, you will generate regular agro and would have agro on you pretty soon. Also maybe if another char is in monsters attack range maybe the monster will automatically attack the char instead of the pet.
And i think red mage would actually be good for blm cuz at lvl 15sub job you can cast faster and 20sub you can do more magic damage.

[whazzy]

mp drain is REALLY bad on a blm... so that makes smn pretty much a bad idea to sub

well only viable options is whm now...:sweat:
maybe rdm... but whm a lot better

EDIT: hmm just found that
a lvl 50blm subbing 25whm stats are
hp:518
mp: 623
str: 33
dex: 47
vit: 36
agi: 51
int:63
mnd:42
char:46

lvl50blm subbing 25rdm
hp:530
mp: 610
str:33
dex:48
vit:36
agi: 51
int: 64
mnd: 40
char: 45

source: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~nhart/Status_calculator.htm


so that basically means that subbing rdm is better stat wise than whm... int is higher but mp is lower... hmm i don't know

now it's not that much of a difference... but abilities will make the difference. So having white magic around is good and everybody knows it...but i'd like to know what good abilities would the rdm give to the blm??

[Kei]

Bard theoretically could be a great sub for Black Mage at a good level. You would have songs that raise any of your stats (Exp. - Intellect would be nice). Then you have the MP Regenerating song, which would help you tons. Not to mention you might be harder to kill if you have the HP Regenerating song or something on. The songs are really useful with Black Mage. Also, Silence Resistance rises. This helps great when your main weapon is magic. You don't want to be silenced, that should be your worst fear. That and running out of MP, lol.

To sum it up...yeah Bard would work great if you don't want to be BLM/WHM.

[Chipmunk777]

BLM/BRD is more of a soloing character. Me, im gonna go BLM/WHM, and if i really need it, ill just have a BRD in the party. thats a lot easier than subbing, because BRD is never really a good sub anyway (can have only 1 song equipped at a time, if sub).

[Bantam]

I'm kind of confused about the whole "thou shalt not sub bard" thing that keeps coming up in lots of places. Is only being able to play one song really so critical that it's a huge step down? I just have trouble seeing how it's so bad. Sure, it's one song, but that can be a help, right?

But I don't have the game, so that might be why I don't understand.

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Bantam
I'm kind of confused about the whole "thou shalt not sub bard" thing that keeps coming up in lots of places. Is only being able to play one song really so critical that it's a huge step down? I just have trouble seeing how it's so bad. Sure, it's one song, but that can be a help, right?

But I don't have the game, so that might be why I don't understand.

A plain old bard can have two songs running. That is a lot better than limiting yourself to one song on your party.

[whazzy]

I really think the problem whith subbing bard, is more of a problem with instruments, than the fact that u can't have two songs running at the same time.

I really agree with IleDeusMorpheus now, subbing bard IS a bad idea...

Lol my choice is not even made: blm/whm is the best possibility, but i don't wanna be like everybody... Grrr hard choices

[Aerex_CoW]

It seems that if you have a good soloing strategy you could use Bard as your sub to decrease your downtime. Play a MP or HP regen song and you can get back to killing quicker. Might not work all that well in a group but hey, it does help a little.