01-18-2008, 03:12 PM | #1 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny Posts: 279 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 122 Thanked 4x in 4 Posts Gil: 8,191 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 8,191 Donate | why am I forced to do this quest?  I recently hit lvl 50(which I was excited about.) and to my surprise found out I have to do a quest to advance past lvl 50. I had no problem with having to do a quest to be able to get to lvl 51, until I read what the quest(the G-1) quest involved(killing 3 nm in hell zones). I can see having you have to do a quest to advance to a higher level if they started it at lvl 30, but to all of a sudden force you to do a quest to simply lvl up is not right. I probably wouldn't get upset except for the fact that it is a quest which is IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLO. Thanks to SE, I am basically stuck at lvl 50 until I can convince(or bribe) at least 1-2 high lvl players(at least lvl 70) to help. Since I am time constrained this will probably take me a week(im on for about 2hrs a night).
I realize this is a game that pushes partying, but to force you to find a party to do this type of quest is just wrong at lvl 50(make skill-up quests like this but not quests to simply lvl up). Probably not many people will agree with my suggestion to SE(I know questions to SE are supposed to go into a different location but this is more a quest rant then a question to SE), but I suggest that all the "G" quests should be soloable. u have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 03:18 PM | #2 (permalink) | | Jeusauvage Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Confirmed Posts: 2,838 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 75 Thanked 189x in 146 Posts Gil: 14,020 Bank: 3,868 Total Gil: 17,888 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? I'm surprised you're surprised.  事を翻訳するのに私はインターネッ を使用する。(・へ・)
C'est la vie sauvage. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 03:20 PM | #3 (permalink) | | Bad Wolf Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,323 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 32 Thanked 117x in 85 Posts Gil: 2,636 Bank: 16,174 Total Gil: 18,810 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? Get some lvl 75 friends and a 75 thf to help you with it. Sometimes its cake, sometimes its easy, all depends on papyrus drop rate. Doing this with 6 people who all need it, though, will undoubtedly take all day and then some and you still may not end up with that item.  I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2
PSN: Caspian | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 03:22 PM | #4 (permalink) | | Senior Veteran Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,220 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 87 Thanked 1,111x in 691 Posts Gil: 3,225 Bank: 41,685 Total Gil: 44,910 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? Because | | ::Quote Selected:: | | The following user says "Thank You" to Mhurron for above post: | | | 01-18-2008, 03:30 PM | #5 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ny Posts: 279 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 122 Thanked 4x in 4 Posts Gil: 8,191 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 8,191 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? Originally Posted by DakAttack | | I'm surprised you're surprised. |
I'm not so much surprised at the fact SE puts in manditory quests like this. I was surprised that my lvl is capped at this point because my lvl is not in blue(which is the usual sign that something is currently capped on you). u have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 03:34 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Bad Wolf Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,323 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 32 Thanked 117x in 85 Posts Gil: 2,636 Bank: 16,174 Total Gil: 18,810 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? I guess just be grateful for the little things. Like when you finish the quest and get that last experience point, that it doesn't say TNL: 10,000. Especially since its another 5 levels or so before you see the next big jump in a good pt's exp/hr.  I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2
PSN: Caspian | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 03:44 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,019 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 515 Thanked 281x in 190 Posts Gil: 44,299 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 44,299 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? Wow, people complaining about G2 even after SE nerfed the NMs... | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 03:51 PM | #8 (permalink) | | Senior Veteran Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,220 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 87 Thanked 1,111x in 691 Posts Gil: 3,225 Bank: 41,685 Total Gil: 44,910 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? Originally Posted by Malacite | | Wow, people complaining about G2 even after SE nerfed the NMs... | G1 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 03:57 PM | #9 (permalink) | | Sticky Paws Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,823 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 229 Thanked 594x in 385 Posts Gil: 1,029 Bank: 70,511 Total Gil: 71,540 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? Originally Posted by DR2D2 | | I realize this is a game that pushes partying, but to force you to find a party to do this type of quest is just wrong at lvl 50(make skill-up quests like this but not quests to simply lvl up). Probably not many people will agree with my suggestion to SE(I know questions to SE are supposed to go into a different location but this is more a quest rant then a question to SE), but I suggest that all the "G" quests should be soloable. | I think some of the Genkais were done in alliances in the past.  To be honest, that seemed more fun than the typical "get a couple of high level people to help" thing we do these days.  “ I’m in pain, but I’m happy.”
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“ That’s why I can tell you from the depths of my being…” | | ::Quote Selected:: | | The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to IfritnoItazura For This Useful Post: | | | 01-18-2008, 04:17 PM | #10 (permalink) | | Starving Mod Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,535 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 158x in 93 Posts Gil: 3,177 Bank: 41,621 Total Gil: 44,798 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? The original level cap was 50 when the game first came out by the way.
Nothing to say about the subjob quest (which could have been done with a normal level party) or the extra job quests (which also could have been done with a party at that level)?
Genkai 1 items can be obtained with a lv48-50 party (I got 2/3 while leveling normally, and the third with friends). Genkai 2 will need more, but I'm not sure how much it's been toned down. (I went with a 36 person double alliance, actually really fun). Genkai 3, 4, and 5 are soloable. Estya@Ramuh 猫魔法少女 Tales of Tails LiveJournal
白75 黒40 赤36 戦30 シ30 モ30 | ナ37 暗25 狩22 獣3 吟1 | 忍30 侍30 召21 竜7 | 青1 コ1 か1 | 踊28 学13 WIN Rank 10 | BAS Rank 10 | SAN Rank 10 | RoZ: complete | CoP: complete | ToAU: SP/M29 | WoG: 03 (WIN) | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 04:30 PM | #11 (permalink) | | Konami Code FTW FFXIWiki Team Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Misawa AB, Japan Posts: 837 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 175 Thanked 135x in 88 Posts Gil: 4,232 Bank: 18,387 Total Gil: 22,619 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? I did all my lower Genkais in "ye ald Alliance" (generally full 18 plus outside help) because back in the day, it really was one of the only ways it'd happen. Everyone needed it, and the "high level help" consisted of maybe two or three people that had gotten to 60-75 only about a month earlier, and weren't the pimpest of players (I still remember when news hit of the first full Kirin set had been finished on Kujata; yes, that long ago). We had a blast because everyone had to pull their own weight, and a lot of people knew each other, and there wasn't any way to know if we would succeed until the mob fell down.
Of course, that was also working under quite a bit of a different system back then, and the NMs were actually a lot harder, too. SE already nerfed the mobs, NMs, and drop rates to make the quests easier, but by no means are they soloable, nor are they meant to be. This game very much pushes party play because that's what the game is built around. Solo exists, yes, but it in no way surpasses party play in terms of XP efficiency outside of very few factors (and even then, you need party play to even be able to get to those factors to begin with). Why should this be any different?
The original level cap for the entire game was 50. It seems perfectly reasonable to require quests to break past that cap, and subsequent caps, that SE implemented as a bit of a "test" of the player to enjoy higher level play. Last edited by LilithAngel : 01-18-2008 at 04:33 PM. Reason: G5 is soloable, but that's because it's a 1v1 fight anyways. Against Maat. Who cheats. :p | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 04:31 PM | #12 (permalink) | | Necro Slayer Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,384 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 55 Thanked 229x in 129 Posts Gil: 366 Bank: 22,379 Total Gil: 22,745 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? Yes Genkai 1 can be a royal pain in the arse if you don't do it the right way. As others have expressed, if you exp on the mobs that drop the items then you will kill 2 birds with one stone. When my son and husband started to play I already had a higher lvl character but I leveled another job with them. When we got near level 50 I encouraged our static to go exp on the mobs that drop the genkai items. They sure fought me because there were easier mobs to level on but I convinced them. In the end, they all said that it was a lot smarter to do it the way I suggested and they were glad that they did. | Originally Posted by WishMaster3K | | The vagina is a magical object. | | Originally Posted by Balfree | | AND, running the game at 2024x2024 resolution, with forced AA and AF... o boy, you can even see that galka's pubes. | Originally Posted by Malevolent | | But what i learned is that devout catholics CANNOT and WILL NOT take a friggin joke. Also, trying to explain a joke to them is like farting in a revolving door. | **Video Game Addict for 30+ years and damn proud of it!** | | ::Quote Selected:: | | The following user says "Thank You" to TheGrandMom for above post: | | | 01-18-2008, 04:39 PM | #13 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,019 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 515 Thanked 281x in 190 Posts Gil: 44,299 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 44,299 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? >_ > when he said "3 NMs" I thought maybe he meant G2? 'Cause seems like he's mixing the two up. Either way both were toned down severely and to be complaining about them seems asinine to me. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-18-2008, 04:45 PM | #14 (permalink) | | Senior Veteran Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,220 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 87 Thanked 1,111x in 691 Posts Gil: 3,225 Bank: 41,685 Total Gil: 44,910 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? Ya, but he's got 5 levels before he complains about G2. Though you're right, the G1 mobs aren't NM's.
/was lucky with G1 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 01-20-2008, 09:19 PM | #15 (permalink) | | <3 Valkurm Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 966 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 57 Thanked 24x in 16 Posts Gil: 7,909 Bank: 6,964 Total Gil: 14,873 Donate | Re: why am I forced to do this quest? If you want to understand why you have to do these quests, imagine that the level cap had just been raised and only a portion of the server was at max level. It was "endgame" content back then, and funnel through which the entire server had to pass.
I didn't have help from anybody higher than level 62 on Genkai and AF, it really made the quests seem like a challenge and an experience that increased your skill. I'd never made alliances, or had to stealth around high level creatures (or magic aggro), and I met quite a lot of people and learned who to trust or avoid. When I finally roasted Maat it was pretty gratifying. Apart from papyrus hunting I actually enjoyed doing them.
These days genkai is pretty much a joke; just an unnecessary obstacle to new players. They can't be done as they were intended anymore... players aren't gonna learn much from 'em.
Edit: Soloing the Yagudo part of G3 isn't really practical. BLM 75 | RDM 37 | WHM 42 | SCH 56 | BST 22
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