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Thanked 7x in 5 Posts Gil: 3,889 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,889 Donate  | The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. (Mods, feel free to move this to the right place, I couldn't find a BCNM/KSNM/ENM discussion.)
Yes, basically, this is the KSNM99 where you fight a Nidhogg/Tiamat type monster. It has about the same HP as Nidhogg, and flies up like Tiamat.
My LS did one of these last night. We've done the Chlevnik KSNM without too many problems. A meteor here and there wiped a PLD, but that was about it.
Has anyone done this that can give a good strategy?
My LS went in, and was doing quite well. Then the Wyrm was at about 35% health, and he used a move that wiped us. I believe it was called Flame Blast.
This was an AoE that hit everyone for about 800 DMG. That's also with Barfira. And most of the mages had stoneskin. The melees survived, but all the mages were one shotted.
I've heard a lot of things about this KSNM. Many say just do the Chlevnik BCNM, because it's easier. But we wanted a challenge. I've heard that you need to bring at least 3 RDM/DRKs. I've heard that this thing is not stunnable. I've been told you need a BRD in every party using Fire Carol.....lots of things.
Does anyone have a strategy for this KSNM that would help us deal with this AoE?  75WHM 75BLM 57BST 50RDM 42SMN 28BRD
Susan>> Why aren't there any female GM characters?
[GM]Dave>> Too many bannings every 28 days? |  | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-05-2006, 07:56 AM | #2 (permalink) | | Digital Wizard Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 5,972 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 69
Thanked 455x in 298 Posts Gil: 3,698 Bank: 53,049 Total Gil: 56,747 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. Have not tried it, and not sure I trust what little I've read about it.
Was the breath attack in the same vein as Ouryu's Ocher Blast? If so, there may not be much you can do about it other than wear lots of -magic damage and MDEF and do your best to keep Stoneskin up, or simply be out of range - survive the attack, Elemental Seal/Sleep II, recover, and then continue.
I also imagine that some of the new jobs will be useful in this respect; I can already see Blue Mages being extremely useful with their Diamondhide spell, and Corsairs can give substantial MP when in a party with a summoner.
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Thanked 7x in 5 Posts Gil: 3,889 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,889 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. Problem with the Wyrm is he can't be slept. :/
When he flies, his attack (the AOE) will hit the ENTIRE BCNM area. So there's no avoiding it.
I believe it's the same type of attack. But we haven't done Ouryu, due to lack of the proper combination of jobs being on who are that far in CoP. (Yes, I know that's sad, but the majority of use don't have enough kind of time to actually get CoP.) We're working on people getting CoP, but we're a smaller HNMLS, and not all the right jobs can be on at the right times. (Not to mention, we have many Singaporean players in our LS, so that makes us have to function with 2 very different timezones.) 75WHM 75BLM 57BST 50RDM 42SMN 28BRD
Susan>> Why aren't there any female GM characters?
[GM]Dave>> Too many bannings every 28 days?
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Thanked 18x in 14 Posts Gil: 1,912 Bank: 3,378 Total Gil: 5,290 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. Do Mistmelts affect him? I'm not that high a level... just thinking out loud in kinda the same way that lowbies pondered the Jailer Weapons question...
If they do - just drag him back to the ground and keep working him like a <insertrandompunhere+call1toannoytheparty>.
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Thanked 98x in 61 Posts Gil: 17,720 Bank: 11,791 Total Gil: 29,511 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. I was thinking of mistmelts also... They should work on all dragons.  | Originally Posted by Ellipses | | Really, it's just like pretty much every question about this game that begins with "Why." The answer is "Because." | | Originally Posted by MCLV | | A subjob is like sex, you shouldn't have it untill your 18 but if you don't have it after 21 everyone laughs at you. | | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 06-06-2006, 12:42 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,286 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0
Thanked 7x in 5 Posts Gil: 3,889 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,889 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. No, Mistmelts do not work on him. This BCNM was added long before CoP. Basically, he's GOING to fly. I've been told it's 100% that he can be stunned. So I'm guessing my LS is going to attempt it again soon, but this time, we'll be using a Chainspell Stun ORDER. 75WHM 75BLM 57BST 50RDM 42SMN 28BRD
Susan>> Why aren't there any female GM characters?
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Thanked 455x in 298 Posts Gil: 3,698 Bank: 53,049 Total Gil: 56,747 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. If his breath attack has a long wind-up, then yes, you can probably fight him like Cerberus. Use RDM/DRKs to minimize your need to overstock on additional stunners, and keep him off your BLMs as much as possible.
The fight is going to be way too long for you to Chainspell-Stun him for the entire duration.
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Thanked 7x in 5 Posts Gil: 3,889 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,889 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. Yes, we know that. But we've been thinking, that since he only flies up at certain percents, (80%, 50%, and 35%) what we can do is keep him stunned, and use our RNGs to make skillchains, and have the BLM party -GA III his ass. We'll try again in a week or so, depending on if we can get somebody to offer up their seals, lol. 75WHM 75BLM 57BST 50RDM 42SMN 28BRD
Susan>> Why aren't there any female GM characters?
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Thanked 455x in 298 Posts Gil: 3,698 Bank: 53,049 Total Gil: 56,747 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. His flight pattern is preset? That might work. Still tricky, though, as you'd have to do enough damage to knock him down with the SC + MB, which means a miss from a RNG will ruin your whole plan.
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Thanked 7x in 5 Posts Gil: 3,889 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,889 Donate | Re: The Early Bird Catches the Wyrm. | Originally Posted by Icemage | His flight pattern is preset? That might work. Still tricky, though, as you'd have to do enough damage to knock him down with the SC + MB, which means a miss from a RNG will ruin your whole plan.
Icemage | Our RNGs rarely miss.  Most people who play RNG now-a-days tend not to suck. Our RNGs still do upwards of 900-1000 DMG with their Sidewinder/Slug Shot to Kirin.
Most of our BLMs have close to capped Thunder and Elemental Magic Merits, so DMG isn't a problem there.
From what we've been told, it's around those percentages he flies. BUT, he WILL fly 2-3 times per BCNM. 75WHM 75BLM 57BST 50RDM 42SMN 28BRD
Susan>> Why aren't there any female GM characters?
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