[capitalistnihilist]

FFXI PvP is empty/unpopular for 2 very important reasons:

1. Class imbalance
2. Lack of worthwhile rewards

Look into WoW PvP rewards to see what I mean.

[Akashimo]

Brenner, no one i know that loves doing PVP talks about it much if at all. Ballista is like the orginal classic thing. In the end, 30, 60 and uncapped ballista is more where i see ppl showing up. As for the ganging up on weakest memeber thing, oi, i got a story on that >>; lvl8 monk mithra <.<; Pashowmarshlands and Meriphed Mountians can you say easy time for opposing teams? v.v And it's not always the weakest member >>; Monks are first to keeeelll list <.< >.>; espically with an army of rabid tarus that won't stay and fight when they could win doing so >.<

[Eauijhkuu]

Brenner is extremely enjoyable. Especially when you have a LS that's willing to fight against another LS.

Fun stuff. Very hillarious to see 15+ galka getting slaughtered by postons



As far as the PVP goes, unless you're getting points or some kind of incentive (Which most players always seem to lean towards...) should be thoughtful and challenging. Brenner is all about teamwork....just like the other features on FFXI.

Incentives/rewards should, by no means, determine whether or not PVP is worthwhile. All in all, if you're up for a fun challenge with people who are willing to put their skills to the test, then this is perfect.

[Samuzuki]

The funny thing is you get more xp for doing brenner than ballista 3x more infact.
And the game is more stratigic and intresting >.>
SE just did a terrible job of making it accesable.

[Eauijhkuu]

Yeah. It's not as accessible as Ballista.

But not a whole lot is required to participate in an official match either.

Ballista requires a license.
Brenner doesn't.

[Legal Fish]

Originally Posted by capitalistnihilist

FFXI PvP is empty/unpopular for 2 very important reasons:

1. Class imbalance
2. Lack of worthwhile rewards

Look into WoW PvP rewards to see what I mean.

Wait, are you actually saying WoW PvP is balanced?

[Eauijhkuu]

Don't think so. Think it was more of a point concerning incentives to participate in PVP.

[tdh]

I got sucked into Brenner one night, and it was the most fun I've had in game in a really long time.

Was damn near 3AM when a LS member basically peer pressured me into going. I figured I'd fall asleep 10 minutes in, and just apologize the next day. Next thing I knew it was 6AM and I was asking when we'd be going again.

We did 4 on 4. 2 RNGs, 2 RDMs, PLD, THF, BLM, and SMN. 2 RNGs went head up a few times, PLD and THF seemed to have something against each other (lol) and the RNG on the other team seemed to be head hunting... MINE! Every time I looked up I saw him Barrage me, and he EES me TWICE! (Thank goodness for Blink, he missed both EES!)

All 8 of us had a helluva time and wanted to go again, but none of us have gone from what I can tell. I've tried to get other people interested, just nobody bites.

I can't compare this to Ballista since I've never done Ballista. Just never felt like learning the system. (Read: lazy.) I've watched some Ballistas. I've seen BRD and THF parties destroy people in Jugner. Lullaby, then watch the THFs take turns SATA Viper Biting anything the BRD can put to sleep. Maybe one day I'll actually give it a try.