[Neverslip]

If anyone sens me an invite... I'll be there ASAP with bells on

[Losrase]

Originally Posted by Tokitung

Hi all, I've been visiting here /anon for a long time. I have found many of you to be quite insightful with varying degrees of useful information and opinions. I have finally created a login as I have questions regarding what one of my friends has found. I have found no other mention of this in forums I check regularly.


Please, respond with thoughts or concerns regarding this insane PL technique. I am quite certain that SE will patch it in the future somehow, but would actions be taken against those who used it? I personally would think not, as no monitary value or items are gained in this fashion (even for mass item drops, people do the same thing when farming; just minus the exp.)

Thank you all who wish to repsond, your insight is much appreciated.


Edit: As the video may not explain, here are the basics:

4-5 Smn 1-2 Leechers, 1 75

75 trains the entire zone back to the PT, Smns 2 hour and kill them all for 40k something exp

Wash, rinse, repeat every 2 hours (or more if you have a successful Cor 2hour reset)

If you are really worried, just call a GM and explain. If they say it is alright with certain conditions then you are ok. If the GM happened to be wrong with the ruling, you will have the conversation with the GM in the logs which would give some ground to stand on.

[TheGrandMom]

Originally Posted by Feba

You have "Harley" in your character name!

Shhhhhhhh!

Originally Posted by Ziero

But it's Rammstein! What could be better then a buncha angry germans singing techno-metal?

Exactly! LOL I do have to admit some of their songs are over used though.

[Yellow Mage]

Summoner needs a method of gaining exp that doesn't involve the whole MP/WHM main healer crap.

In that manner, I fully approve of this!

[Kailea]

Originally Posted by Yellow Mage

Summoner needs a method of gaining exp that doesn't involve the whole MP/WHM main healer crap.

In that manner, I fully approve of this!

thats a problem the players need to adress not SE..... I wont level SMN anymore because I know that way I want to play SMN (as a magic DD) wont happen in PTs.


not SEs fault that everyone wants ANYONE with MP to heal and sub WHM -.-

[Wise Donkey]

Originally Posted by Kailea

everyone wants ANYONE with MP to heal and sub WHM

And somehow still don't prefer WHM as a healer, lol.

[Armando]

thats a problem the players need to adress not SE..... I wont level SMN anymore because I know that way I want to play SMN (as a magic DD) wont happen in PTs.

It's partially SE's fault since the game's mechanics and SMN's design lent itself so much to being a giant MP tank for /WHM sub. Up until the release of SCH the job gained practically 0 benefits from any sub that's not WHM since the summoner can't melee worth for shit, Avatars suck to leave out and there's no way to buff them through gear or subs, and SMN doesn't have any non-summoning magic skills to call upon.

The players did pigeonhole SMN into the healer role but SE facilitated that too much with the way the job was made. Same thing happened with NIN. If NIN wasn't meant to tank, all it would've taken was some basic math to figure out "Oh snap, with Ichi AND Ni, it's possible to keep shadows up constantly!" You don't leave that kind of potential in the game and expect players not to take advantage of it when it doesn't break any of the rules.

[Yellow Mage]

Originally Posted by Armando

If NIN wasn't meant to tank, all it would've taken was some basic math to figure out "Oh snap, with Ichi AND Ni, it's possible to keep shadows up constantly!"

While your post is awesome and true, I believe that the casting time for Ni spells was much longer before S-E saw some NINs trying to tank with Utsusemi. They saw it as novel, and then decided to lower the casting times on Ni spells.

Call S-E what you want, but "inflexible" is not specifically among their list of traits.

[ShepardG]

Quick EXP is only an exploit if you duplicate it.
I.E. Killing a certain type of Mob over and over.

That's why most parties like to wait aprox 4-6 minutes between kills.

[ruffrydasean]

Originally Posted by Feba

You have "Harley" in your character name!

Aha! Now I must search for TGM!

[Malacite]

Originally Posted by Armando

It's partially SE's fault since the game's mechanics and SMN's design lent itself so much to being a giant MP tank for /WHM sub. Up until the release of SCH the job gained practically 0 benefits from any sub that's not WHM since the summoner can't melee worth for shit, Avatars suck to leave out and there's no way to buff them through gear or subs, and SMN doesn't have any non-summoning magic skills to call upon.

The players did pigeonhole SMN into the healer role but SE facilitated that too much with the way the job was made. Same thing happened with NIN. If NIN wasn't meant to tank, all it would've taken was some basic math to figure out "Oh snap, with Ichi AND Ni, it's possible to keep shadows up constantly!" You don't leave that kind of potential in the game and expect players not to take advantage of it when it doesn't break any of the rules.

That, and they made shuriken too god damned expensive to use with any frequency. Doesn't help that Elemental Ninjutsu is also fairly expensive (would it have killed them to have put all ninjutsu with ranks 1-3 of alchemy? Sure as shit would have made a lot more sense. Elemental tools in rank 1, enfeebling tools in rank 2 and evasion tools in rank 3)


This feels like an exploit to me in the form of mob holding.

[Tokitung]

Very good insight overall. Remembering back, there have been similar styles of parties before ToAU came out; such as the Mnk burn in KRT, which back in the day made made many groups jealous of the 10k+ an hour. And of course, the Blm Mana burn, pre-patch Rng Arrow burn, and I vaguely remember a Whm/Nin Burn setup for KRT as well.

The only difference I see is the utilization of the members 2hour as the primary source of damage. That coupled with the AoE damage and the enmity differential due to the use of "pets". As for the use of 75s outside of party, that has been used for god knows how long (be it outside healing or getting enmity so that the 75 is actually tanking while the party kills.)