Selphiie's Guide To Party Leaders

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

You dont have to be /nin to pull

Your a RANGER

and in the communitys eyes, thats a puller, you seem to be one to support what the community thinks.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Not really, its understandable that people might think I agree with what the community thinks. I don't, I just accept what the community thinks. People aren't wrong with inviting anyone for any reason unless they didn't read the search comment. When the community doesn't respect a player's stated wishes, then the community is wrong.

If RDM lists /WHM in the SJ line, expect to be asked for it. Same goes for /NIN and RNGs. If I don't wish to sub /NIN, I may still list it just to let people know I'm not a complete slacker, but also mention I just don't want to sub /NIN or pull.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

Then why wouldn't you want to pull as a RNG ever? Your a RANGER that is a puller, you shouldn't be so stubborn as to seek and say you don't want to pull. I sure as hell wouldn't invite you because in my opinion your too scared to use the 50 or 100gil to shoot an arrow, to pull a mob back to camp. If your too afraid to pull you need to retire that job right now.

There is no "im not in the mood to pull" if your a ranger and the party leader needs a puller then your pulling, or else your wasting everyone elses time and your own time by turning down party invites because you "dont feel like pulling".

You sit there and laugh with me when warriors seek for Burn Partys only because they are too stubborn to take any party that doesn't have a bard, yet you sit there in your /seacom with an equally stupid comment.

I mean how retarded is seeing:

RNG75/WAR37
Puller No Thanks
Its like seeing

WHM75/BLM37
Healer No Thanks

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I mean how retarded is seeing:

RNG75/WAR37
Puller No Thanks
Its like seeing

WHM75/BLM37
Healer No Thanks

You're talking about merit levels now, which is a completely different ballgame for RNG, BRD and COR have since eclipsed RNG in pulling ability and THF is now a distant third. At that level more than any other, you're inviting me as a DD or not at all, most likely.

COR gets Peacemaker at 72 and loses a lot of arguments against pulling in the DDx4, support x1, healer x1 setups, but still pulls a hell of a good argument for DD in the DDx3, RDM, BRD, COR setups.

RNG's ranged delay kills them in merit camps in ways it won't affect BRD, COR or THF. The only way pulling is even practical for RNG at that point is (1) empty camp or (2) Arrowburn (yes, they're back). There isn't going to be much fussing about pulling when you have 3-4 RNGs there, we'll each have a go at shadowbinding to claim if the BRD or COR hasn't pulled already.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

It doesn't matter what freakin level you are, the JOB Ranger has been classified by the community as one of the main jobs that pull.

If your in a party with every other job that can pull even a THF 9 times out of 10 the leader will ask you to pull because your a ranger, your specialty is RANGED ATTACK. I don't care if your 12, i don't care if your 75. Theres not always going to be a THF or BRD or COR for you to leech exp off of in merit partys, so you need to suck it up and play the RANGER job, if you don't want to pull then quit it, because you don't need to be playing a job where you don't want to perform a task that most benefits the party.

Party setup is: RNG, PLD, DRG, DRG, MNK, WHM, RDM

Are you telling me your so stuck up that your going to ask one of the DRGs to pull. That your honestly going to tell them to go back to town and grab a pebble belt?

You need to quit the job seriously if your so uptight about your money.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Are you telling me your so stuck up that your going to ask one of the DRGs to pull.

If you sat and actually read even 50% of what I've said, you'd wouldn't be jumping to these absurd conclusions. I would pull in that setup, at EXP levels. I'd wouldn't accept the invite at merit level if the situation was a burn camp, but if it was another camp, unpopulated or with IT++, I probably would.

I am not obligated to anyone just because I seek a PT, I'm obligated once people have read my search comment and invite me for what I offer. If I don't say I don't want to pull, that means I'm open to the option. If I do say I don't want to pull, I reject the invite because you clearly did not read my search comment.

[Celeal]

*may be off topic*

Actually there are situation which a MNK can pull without without range attack or provoke or chi-bash... I had done that in the past:

(1) If the mob is aggro by sight, just stand in front of the mob at max aggro distance, get aggro and *pull* it to the camp.
(2) If the mob is aggro by sound, just stand at the max. aggro range, get aggro and run back to the camp with the mob.

It is not an ideal way to pull (if a party is builded correctly).

*Back to topic*
I think it is reasonable for a party to request RNG to pull in exp. parties (in general, regardless of level range). Well, the player's choice of accept or reject the role of pulling is another story.

It is common to have more than one puller looking for mobs when the camp is packed with parties.

[MrMageo]

Your main quable seems to be over money. BBQ

every job has to spend money in some way, RNG isnt so special. I dont see rangers running around with 8 elemental staves NQ on my server will cost you 750K to buy all 8. I have 4 HQ staves drk,wind,ice,earth and it cost me a little over 2 million to get them, not including the orginal 300 for NQ. Nor do i see them required to have a Hauby or PCC. RNG is regarded as one of the cheaper jobs to level, Bolts/Arrows are relativley cheap or very easily crafted. You seem to like to make excuses for it to look favorable to you.

I seem to remember you thrashing me about RDM/DNC saying it only hurts my party and gimps XP. Well i think your hypocritical veiws are BS and i told you that it was BS before. I am the same way if i want to melee i wait for a party to invite me to do it. But the thing is I am going to do what the party needs me to do as well just in a different way. I dont take away haste or refresh if someone asks me to be the puller or main healer, like you would do with corsair roll. Try subbing SAM you get third eye and still crazy damage, but since your so hell bent on saving 100G you can continue to complain and have it fall on deaf ears. I have no sympathy for you in this debate, just my own opinion that a job should come and do what the party needs, that includes a RNG, COR pulling and not "punishing" the party because he is upset cuz he has to do something other then auto attack and hit macro's.

[IfritnoItazura]

If I have a JP WHM and RDM in a PT and one has to go, both leave and they 9 times out of 10 will not (1) give advance notice and (2) nor will they find a replacement. They just leave.

Sorry that happened to you, but for me, that's pretty uncommon. Then again, I can read enough Japanese to know when something is up, and can toss up a "◀Time remaining▶ ◀everyone▶?" if I suspect someone has to go soon.

Western players consider that extremely rude.

Japanese players also consider leaving without a warning ahead of time to be rude--they certainly do not do that on a regular basis in JP parties. I'm not completely sure why some JP players do it in NA parties, beyond the language/auto-translator difficulties.

Of course, far more NA players did that to me than JP players, whether it's extremely rude for Western players or not.

We live in different time zones, acknowledge it and make the effort to work with each other by finding replacements. But when half the community refuses to do that, should it be any surprise when other players just stop making the effort?

You exaggerate way too much; if I get a dollar for every "My LS needs me" or other "gotta-go-now" excuses from Western players, and pay a buck for every time JP players disband without at least a 10 minute warning, I can treat myself to quite a few steak dinners on the balance.

There are jerks on every continent, but generally JP players are reasonably considerate of others, by Japanese and US cultural norms--as much as the language barrier permits.

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You can always put up a "◀Japanese▶ ◀No thanks.▶" in your search comments when you seeking PUGs, if you think the JPs are so horrible.

I've always been treated well in JP-majority parties, even when I don't let on I know the language. Never had much problem with JP players who answer my invites when I take on the party leader role, either.

To each his own...

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

My response to Rangers who don't want to pull:

[Aksannyi]

LOL WHM/WAR

Caps filter wtf.

[IfritnoItazura]

◀healing▶ is intended to mean /heal on.

I've not met any RNG who refuses to pull, so unless BBQ transfers to Ifrit, it shall remain a theoretical problem for me.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

◀healing▶ is intended to mean /heal on.

I've not met any RNG who refuses to pull, so unless BBQ transfers to Ifrit, it shall remain a theoretical problem for me.

That's it, I'm starting a DiV literacy campaign.

[Aksannyi]

OMG look! It's George W. Bbqkitten!

[Silent Howler]

• Level gap:

Try to keep the levels of the party members close, don’t invite people 4-5 levels out of your level range because you can’t find a healer or can’t find a tank, it is better to just sit and wait, which brings me to my next point.

I still remember one experience I had. I believe I was Puppetmaster at the time and got an invite for Eastern Altepa Desert. I was the first person he asked, but because I was busy with something and needed to change jobs I ended up being the last one to join the party. Before he let me in I even asked, "do you still need me?" and he said yes. So I grabbed a Teleport-Alepa and rode out to the party. After three fights the leader had the realization that I was "too high" (It was like a 30-33 party...) and told me to leave because I was killing their exp. I'll just say I never looked forward to being in the same party with him again...