[Aksannyi]

Originally Posted by eticket109

I always enjoyed the stairway of death in Garlaige when someone zoned a beetle from down below. Level 50+ beetles + level 30 parties + rooms full of blood aggro skellies = fun times

I remember those days, leveling in Garlaige was so god-awful in those days I still don't know why anyone ever put up with it.

[Mhurron]

Originally Posted by Aksannyi

I remember those days, leveling in Garlaige was so god-awful in those days I still don't know why anyone ever put up with it.

Because that was where you went to EXP at that level.

[Evion]

Get a PL is more than constructive advice in comparison to most of the other "advice" people get around here... (I'm looking at you Feba) Besides, I think we're just 1-2 posts away from derailing this thread for two pages. Mush, you dogs, mush! Um, I'll zone the second Goblin aggro. Um, I don't think that'll help...

3 jobs through dunes = 3 6-person parties? NO, it = about 10-20 6-man parties at least. So lets see, thats 20X6=120... If you spent 50% of your times mastering your job for that level, that still leaves about (120X.5=60) 60 other people/jobs you should have been learning. So, in my opinion (barring long stretches of not returning and actual game mechanics changing), you should pretty much know your stuff.

[Callisto]

Getting back to the present though, it still isn't a given that anyone in your party knows what they're doing. Although I know every job that doesn't involve a pet very well(idk why, I'm just really bad at pet jobs), I don't exactly remember the details of the zones that I haven't dealt with in 6 months. When I was leveling COR in the dunes last year I had to have a subless rank 2 WAR correct me as to what we should be killing because I forgot what level the friggin crabs were and the XP was much lower than I anticipated.

[Aksannyi]

Originally Posted by Mhurron

Because that was where you went to EXP at that level.

I would have thought someone would attempt to find somewhere else that was a little less dangerous.

I mean there had to be someplace you could go where massive bat trains wouldn't kick your ass.

[Callisto]

Originally Posted by Evion

Get a PL is more than constructive advice in comparison to most of the other "advice" people get around here...

That's like saying that dropping 'www.ige.com' into a thread titled 'How do I make gil?' is relatively good advice.

[Evion]

Well excuse me, that SEEMs to be the most common thing to do round here. That, or the old "there's already a thread for that"/"FFXIencyclopedia.com" responses...

Edit: Damn, I was hoping this post would flop to another page

[Aksannyi]

Originally Posted by Evion

Well excuse me, that SEEMs to be the most common thing to do round here. That, or the old "there's already a thread for that"/"FFXIencyclopedia.com" responses...

For things that can be looked up, such as "Where do I get X item?", giving them the canned "ffxicolpedia.org" response works, and serves two purposes. They get their answer, and they learn how to find another answer in the future.

Strategies are different, and while the wiki has plenty of them, there are several more which are not posted on the wiki. This is where forums come in, for people to discuss them.

Now, I don't know the OP. I don't recognize his name, so chances are, he's new to this forum and maybe the game. I'm not going to tell a player WHOM I DON'T KNOW to go get a PL, and then teach him/her that getting PLs is how you party and it's the ONLY way you party and that a party can't survive without one. He'll be a much stronger player if he learns how to play without a PL to hold his/her hand.

The reason people here have a problem with you telling him to just get a PL is that we don't know what kind of player this person is, we don't know what kind of players he parties with, and we don't want him or his party members to turn into over-PLed noobs who never fully learn their job because their hand was held the whole time. Sure, if he can get a PL to help reduce downtime or whatever, that's GREAT, but no one should be told that they should automatically look for a PL in any party situation.

[Callisto]

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(except for choosing WHM over RDM) >.>

[Aksannyi]

Originally Posted by Callisto

(except for choosing WHM over RDM) >.>

I still haven't given up RDM completely, I'm just very sick of the endgame bullshit related to it. Going to Dynamis and sky on WHM is so much less stressful, with a lot less bitching.

You could just say {Taking a break.} from RDM for a while.

[Evion]

For the record, I didn't tell him to use a PL. I was just telling him that it was MY strategy. Other advice for him? PLD>NIN tank in Q Island IMHO.

[Callisto]

Hehe, I'd actually probably level WHM myself if I hadn't sold all my higher tele scrolls the first time around. So instead I'm doing SCH, since I already have a full 70+ gear set for it and 3/4 of the spells, no need to spend money on anything but pies and SCH-EX scrolls.

[Evion]

BTW, I never actually paid a PL or brought one into a PT before. However, it is my strategy and they are sweet backup that I will never deny.

Ding the page?

[Ellipses]

Personally, I can't stand Qufim at level 18. Yeah, it's doable with the right party and all, but I haven't had much luck there.

I can't stand the Dunes at level 18 either, really, but it's the lesser of two evils. I'll generally take kind of boring over frustrating and deadly when it comes to the grind.

Anyway. Bring Echo Drops. And if you're camping by the entrance to Delkfutt's, stay the hell back. I don't know what it is, but Qufim always seems to have more gradual, accidental camp migration than anywhere else for me. There's no reason to move out away from the tower, and here there be skeletons.

[Evion]

Back on topic huh? Okay, I'd do worms/crabs at Q Island entrance near Guard Post till 20/21. Then move accross the open area to one of the camps in the canyon/"hallways" doing crabs 21/22. Then, I'd go to Delkfutt tower entrance doing Pugils/crabs 22/23/24. You could go to the Delkfutt Tower entrance camp a little earlier too because you have a zone entrance right behind you in case things go bad. Good Luck!