[Mog]

Ok....I have a quick question for all of you guys. There was a samurai in my level 71 party that was wearing a tachi of trials, hachiman body, and puissance rings ( not to mention a lot of other low level gear ). Keep in mind that I'm a tarutaru and he's a hume.

I try to keep on top of my samurai as much as I can and I've got an assortment of good stuff: O-hat, hauby, shini haidate, soboro sukehiru, vic rings, etc. I could have been using my tachi of trials in an xp party, but I didn't because I wanted to kill mobs fast. I ask him if he had anything else other than his tachi and he said that the only reason he didn't have one was that he "couldn't find one on the auction house".

He claimed he did more damage than me....well yeah! Soboro sukehiro has a lower base damage, as well as I'm a tarutaru. And then he promptly made statements like "LOL you're a tarutaru, Your strength sucks!" After which I promptly kicked him.....and found a blue mage that was ten-times better than this guy.

Was I right, or was I wrong?

[Murphie]

I'm tempted to say that you were wrong, because you're Mog, and it just feels right to say "Mog is wrong."

But alas. You were in the right. Trial weapons aren't for exp parties*, people.

*Though if you are in an EXP party with friends or whatever, and they don't mind, have at it. Though that should go without saying, you never know on these forums.

[Mog]

Originally Posted by Murphie

I'm tempted to say that you were wrong, because you're Mog, and it just feels right to say "Mog is wrong."

But alas. You were in the right. Trial weapons aren't for exp, people.

Kupo...

[Ziero]

I'm no high lvl Sam, but isn't the Soboro that suped up multi-hit Gkatana that every sam wants? I think that alone more then makes up for the lower damage per hit by exponetially increasing your WSs.

[Mog]

Originally Posted by Ziero

I'm no high lvl Sam, but isn't the Soboro that suped up multi-hit Gkatana that every sam wants? I think that alone more then makes up for the lower damage per hit by exponetially increasing your WSs.

Yes, that's what stupido samurai didn't realize. I'm doing a lot more damage over time with my 3-hit great katana than he is doing with weaponskills alone.

[Mhurron]

I've seen trials weapons used in EXP parties that didn't adversely affect the party. Unless they were really sucking or causing problems for the party I don't see what the problem is.

[Omni]

ppl that still talk about racial stats are fucking retarded

[Endier]

I am guilty of using Tachi of Trials in exp party. Actually all of level 71 I used it. I didn't see it a wrong thing to do, because the weapon dmg was equivalent to my exp weapon (kazidachi, excuse grammer) and the delay is a most GK. If I had the soboro, and used maybe a war sub more often, I wouldnt use Tachi of Trials, but I sub thf, and stack on Str gear; to be honest I dont miss many ws, I sa+ws and then ta+ws and maybe sata if I get that golden chance.

Currently I am 72, just got my new ws Tachi Kasha ^^ and use the +5str tp drain GK, since i cant afford the Hagun.

[Mog]

It was partially his attitude that affected me. This samurai feels that he can skimp on haubergeon, a great katana, and even rings because he's a hume. Then he insults me in the party by saying my strength sucks? That pushed me over the edge into kicking him.

What surprised me the most is that he "claims" he has 2 other 75 melee jobs. Thought he would have at least a hauby.

People who think they can skimp on a job because of their race fail. :/

[Murphie]

Originally Posted by Omni

ppl that still talk about racial stats are fucking retarded

Truth.

It's amazing how insecure some people out there are with regard to taru melee. I run into the dumbest attitudes in parties sometimes.

[Malacite]

There's nothing wrong with a trials weapon in exp.


There IS however, something wrong with showing up in crap gear and generally sucking

[tdh]

1) Tachi of Trials isn't bad for EXP actually, but only for that one level. It has pretty decent base DMG, a Soboro can out do it but it's acceptable. Personally as soon as I hit Lv.71 I grabbed a tank buddy of mine and we spent like 2 hrs to break the latent, and then I duo'd the Beetle. I had Tachi: Kasha before I had a complete EXP buffer.

2) Soboro after the 2 handed update will out do most Great Katanas in DPS, Hagun will out shine due to WS numbers, and of course final stage relic. A few others with a nice STR build can out do it too, but DPS and 3 500 dmg Gekkos a fight will out do most other Great Katanas. Especially when you can eat meat dishes in most instances and drop 60-90 damage a pop. You're looking at a range of 60 to 270 damage an attack round as SAM/WAR. Depending on the set up, I sometimes use my Soboro in a meripo. Usually when I'm tanking though - non-stop attacking with Enmity+10. Just wish I could Parry with 3rd Eye/Seigan up to get some damn skill ups.

3) Anybody, at that level, who makes comments on race based stats is worth of a kick in my eyes. Sounds like you have the gear required to do your job, you may find a similarly equiped SAM that's Galka or Elvaan out do you, but it won't be by much. In the end it sounds like you made the right choice when you picked up the BLU.

[Icemage]

I don't think any of the Trial weapons is "that" bad. But Soboro Sukehiro is just way better than Tachi of Trials (particularly if you're one of those crazy SAM/RNG who like to whip out Sidewinder). Weaker hits, to be sure, but you get way more of them, and you get to WS much more often.

The lack of good gear at other slots is what I'd worry about though - not the Trial weapon.


Icemage

[Mog]

Originally Posted by Icemage

I don't think any of the Trial weapons is "that" bad. But Soboro Sukehiro is just way better than Tachi of Trials (particularly if you're one of those crazy SAM/RNG who like to whip out Sidewinder). Weaker hits, to be sure, but you get way more of them, and you get to WS much more often.

The lack of good gear at other slots is what I'd worry about though - not the Trial weapon.


Icemage

If it was the tachi of trials alone that bugged me, I would have let him stay. It does have a decent base damage. However, the rest of his gear and his attitude made provoked me to kick him.

[Dymlos]

Nah you did the right thing Mog. If anyone goes 'lol at race stats' should be kicked from and all parties and is forced solo EP mobs.