[Losrase]

Originally Posted by Effedup

It's a nice feeling, isn't it? When someone /check's you and compliments you on your gears and thanks you for caring. I also get compliments myself from time to time, and it's nice when that time spent is acknowledged.

Good luck with your Sam, I just recently started levelling mine (I'm 19 as of now) and I'm really enjoying it. ^^

It is a very nice feeling. I never have the time to farm l33t 50+ gear so I made up for it with l33t 1-37 gear for whichever job I am leveling. Granted it may take a extra week before I will start playing a job because of farming/NM camping(optical earring im looking at you!!). It is nothing better when you are examined and someone does "O.O nice gear!" followed by 4 more examines.

[Lunaryn]

Originally Posted by kaibelf

I hear that they are revamping campaign to make this impossible now. It should be a nice change since far too many people so just hang out for no reason. The thing that pisses me off the most is not that they are using it to get some exp by standing around and buffing, but that one can die RIGHT IN FRONT of them, and they will continue to barfira for 20 minutes without raising you even though they are in absolutely no danger.

They can suck at playing all they want, but a little courtesy for those who are putting in SOME effort to defend an area would be a delight.

1) Pteryx was referencing Campaign Ops, not Campaign battles. Campaign ops provide small amounts of xp to any job level 10 or higher, and as such, tends to be an easy way of boosting subs that, for one reason or another, are a pain to level in traditional ways. As noted, a friend of ours levels NIN pretty much entirely this way (to be fair, he doesn't have /WAR, but he was doing fairly well in a trio with us as NIN/BLM). My alt, Koren, is also leveling NIN this way (No /WAR, no static), though I did take NIN/WAR to 40 on my main the traditional way. Lately I've been leveling my main's WHM through campaign ops as well...

2) Those are generally bots. I even died to gnats next to them once only for the gnats to start aggroing them in succession. They never stopped the buff cycles until they went down. One of them, a RDM with an Earth Staff, did finally notice he was getting nailed after several minutes, and came back from apparent afk to run. The rest never showed any sign of awareness of the situation.

[Nuriko]

I used the Campaign Ops to get levels on several jobs, mostly for specific goals (ie. I wanted to get to a level I still had gear for, or for SMN, I didn't care to solo or seek as a "second-rate healer" with PLs so prevalent) ... at least, until the Campaign change where they overran the cities. I was good with the crafting ops, but there just wasn't enough time to do more than one between battles, especially if you switch jobs.

[Ojofer]

So after all the reading and catching up I come to a few conclusions:

1) The game has changed in ways we criticized before but we've learned to cope with the reality that nobody cares about 1-37 jobs anymore unless it's your first job.

2) PL = should only be used when there is absolutely no other way to lvl simply because I prefer to learn how to use a job without having mother goose making me unstoppable. I rather learn the correct way to main heal/ tank/ dd than to simply toss a few ws out there and not have to worry about dieing. This is the main reason why endgame players are getting worse and worse every day, they come to these skill demanding events and aren't well prepared to perform adequately because they lack skill lvl or simply because they are nub 70+ players who ran around with a PL the whole way.

3) If you are actually going to lvl a sub job you don't have to over equip gears but you shouldn't go to a party under-geared and waste everyone else's time because you are lazy. Put on something to benefit your party and at least bring food to compensate for your lack of gear. At lower lvls, food is way more important than the gear you wear anyway.

4) You can't change people by simply booting them from your party, you talk to them and simply ask wtf is up with your gear (if it's stupid gear) and if they come with a real reason as someone mentioned before (no money, new to the game and don't know any better, etc) then it's acceptable and you give pointers, some new players with shitty gear are better than some better geared people simply because they actually care to learn their jobs. If they come with a stupid comment such as "I'm just here to get quick exp and I really don't care about this job" then they get the boot-ban-blacklist treatment because if they don't care about their sub job, then they shouldn't lvl it. Sub jobs are just as important as main jobs in my opinion.

I'm really happy that most people agree that there is an issue with players these days and the more experienced players should help rebuild the sense of pride we had years ago when FFXI first came out. Lets all try to do that and I agree that things might get a lot better and the Dunes can become that place where you can look back and laugh at the times you died because your gear sucked and people made a simple mistake rather than, "my PL dc'd" or "this is just a sub job so I wear lvl 1 RSE and a pebble to DD". (DEATH TO THAT GUY!!! I STILL FUCKING REMEMBER HIM!!!!)

[Effedup]

Originally Posted by Ojofer

"this is just a sub job so I wear lvl 1 RSE and a pebble to DD". (DEATH TO THAT GUY!!! I STILL FUCKING REMEMBER HIM!!!!)

That would have driven me completely nuts.