[Eiyoko]

I'm sure we've all had this happen in some form or another. There's either another party around or a BST in the hunting grounds you're at and...yeah, I think you know what usually comes next.

NOTE: I will not specify the race/job class of anyone mentioned here if there is no need. I don't want to seem like I'm hating on anyone. Besides, if you're going to be mad at someone be mad at the player, not the race or job class. *ducks*

I was pulling in the Crawler's Nest not long ago as my Corsair. One of the people in my party asked the Bard to pull. When I asked him why, he said I was not as good of a puller as a Bard was because I couldn't sleep four mobs at once.
(Eiyoko) Um...why would I need to?
(person) lol thats how brd pulls
(Eiyoko) ...
I think you get the drift here. Maybe it's just me, or maybe that guy is being an idiot about pulling.

I don't mind Bards at all. Really, they are valuable party members as far as I can see (I don't often party with them so I can't really say, sorry! x.X). But if you ask me, WHY would they need to sleep four monsters, specifically in the 40's? That's not pulling, guys. That's hoarding the prey. And it's being unfair to others in the area. That other party wants EXP, too! And yes, so does the BST. And who knows, you might end up in THEIR party one day. Competition is one thing, greed is completely different.

Be nice to others and they will be nice to you.

Whoa, check it out. There's a BST exping in your vincity. So some people get mad at him for "stealing all the mobs."

I wouldn't do that if I were you. (Unless he's doing it to be mean, that's a story for another time. No offense, anyone.)

Way, way, WAAAAAAAY back in the day, before mobs despawned when you zoned them (Yeah, way before that), I was leveling my Dragoon in the basement of Garlaige. So the puller comes back and doesn't notice he has a link. Uh-oh.

Then a BST comes up and charms the extra mob. Woot!

See? Not so bad.

When I had entered the basement beforehand, I had aggro'd a beetle. That same BST had charmed the beetle off of me. Yay!

Now, what if there's another party in your area? Let's say you get a link. Wouldn't it be nice if they pulled your link off of you? I know I'd like if that happened. Think about it for a sec. Instead of competition, have you ever seen link control when there's another party nearby? I know I have.

Just some food for thought. *hides*

[Mhurron]

There's a Pet Peeve thread over there --->

Oh and yes, that is how BRD's pull at high levels.

[Spiritbear]

I'm a Bst and I solo as well as pt with my static as a Bst. I am the link control in my party and if I happen to be soloing in an area I will chat with the parties and offer to help with links if they will try to stay away from my pets. I don't demand it but I ask politely and usually we can work very well together.

While in my Static if we get a link I will release my jug pet and charm the link then run and release the link. I have saved my static several times doing that. If you get a chance party with a Bst, we are good dds as long as we have out jug pets with us, which don't effect exp anymore (thank you SE). But we serve a good purpose in the party was well. If something that isn't charmable links we can have pet attack it and try to hold if off while the party finishes of the other mob.

[Eiyoko]

When it comes to bards I guess I can't say much. I've never seen a bard pulling at high levels, so I can't agree or disagree with Mhurron. What bothered me was someone said that as a Corsair I didn't pull as effectively as a Bard would because I couldn't exactly sleep four mobs at once. More importantly, we were in the mid-40s in level, if I remember correctly.

I'll stick that in the main post to avoid confusion (or something to that effect, lol).

[Spiritbear]

I would honestly rather have a Cor in the party then a Brd.

I like the way Cor work in a party and sorry to say but most Brds I've partied with have a God complex because people make them feel they are a neccesity in the pt when you can get similar buffs from a Cor.

Just my 2 gil.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Ah, the notorious trickle-down effect of high level tactics into low levels. When will people realize what works at high level does not always work at low level? You don't have the same skills, you don't have the same spells - its different.

I personally don't think a BRD has any business pulling at low level before Ballad II, you need to be learning how to function and support with /WHM. There's no good reason to have them pulling pre-50, much less using horde lullaby to sleep multiple pulls.

Good TP burn at high level doesn't even need a BRD using Horde Lullaby, the just need them sleeping mobs successively and COR is every bit as capable of that with the right timing. I only take issue with the fact that most BRDs cannot keep buffs up, pull and sleep in TP burn effectively. It works in a roaming TP burn, but not a straight TP burn.

COR can pull and keep buffs up so long as the melee aspect of the job does not sidetrack them. Unfortunately, for most of them, it does. I don't seem to have that problem.

COR is only disadvantaged in pulling due to the fact that guns are generally high delay, which is really only an issue in competitive camps, which usually isn't the case in lower level EXP. Once you get Peacemaker, that issue with pulling dissolves entirely. No other gun can match Peacemaker's speed.

[Mhurron]

Ya I didn't see how it was going to work in the nest either, the lowest I've seen a BRD pull was at lvl 68 in Bibiki Bay. That was a fantastic party though.

As far as a COR can do what a RDM or BRD does, well I don't know. I've never partied with a COR.

[Murphie]

I started pulling on BRD in the dunes. Ideal? Not really. But I did it from then on out.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by Mhurron

Ya I didn't see how it was going to work in the nest either, the lowest I've seen a BRD pull was at lvl 68 in Bibiki Bay. That was a fantastic party though.

As far as a COR can do what a RDM or BRD does, well I don't know. I've never partied with a COR.

Basic breakdown is this:

RDM - enfeebles mob, supports PT via Cures, nuke damage, Haste, Refresh, Dispel, sleeps links

Specialty: Enfeebling

Best with: Balanced PT. Buffs aren't amazing, but you don't get your ass kicked easily like COR and BRD do.

BRD - Enhances allies performance with static stat bonuses, Elegy and Finalie are the prime debuffs, Ballad and Lullaby for extra support.

Specialty: Melee buffs (March, Madrigal, Minuet)

Best with: Melee PT. Decent in manaburn, but can't match COR's mage buffs. Ballad and Threnodies are nice, but no match for COR's mage buffs and Quick Draw.

COR - Enhances allies performance via random percentage bonuses based on job traits, Uses Quick Draw as a mild damage nuke which enhances enfeebles and debuffs to the matching element. Refreshes, dispels, sleeps. Resets job ability timers with Random Deal and Wild Card.

Specialty: Mage buffs (magic attack, accuracy, +hMP), pet buffs (pet attack/accuracy, pet magic attack/accuracy).

Best with - Mage PT. Good with a melee PT when played dilligently.COR's unique melee buffs are powerful, but the ones comprable to BRD's are not

RDM cripples, BRD makes a PT a wrecking ball, COR plays off the talents of his PT members.

or

RDM is like balanced, reliable equipment, BRD is like free HQ gear and food, COR is like free merits you didn't know you had.

[Spiritbear]

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

RDM is like balanced, reliable equipment, BRD is like free HQ gear and food, COR is like free merits you didn't know you had.

That is the best way I have ever seen that put. Thank you Kitten.

[Murphie]

I dunno, there is some obvious bias there. BBQ has made clear his lack of understanding of how to play RDM correctly.

[Effedup]

I was in a party with both a cor and a brd on friday night (brd is in my static) and no one in our pt expected the brd to pull, it was pretty much a given that the cor was puller. He obviously helped control links and aggro by sleeping those mobs, but we all preferred him to buff/backup heal (I know I did, as I was main heal) then worry about running off grabbing mobs. Also, cor has much better ranged attack and parrying skills, so it worked out better for me as whm.

I've of course heard that brd is a great puller at higher levels (not there myself yet), but in the dunes it seemed like a better setup to have cor pull. It's not like we really needed someone stacking mobs for us (no competition out there at the time), and I'm guessing that in the mid 30's in CN it's probably not too big of a deal yet either. If I'm wrong, correct me...I haven't partied with a COR but maybe a handful of times, and BRD even less (until now ^^) and I'm just going on logic as to that point.

Not only that, but like you said, it IS kinda greedy, especially when there are multiple parties going for those same mobs. As with all things, everything is so much better when everybody gets along...you never know when you might need to look outside the party for help with something.

[Mhurron]

Originally Posted by Murphie

I dunno, there is some obvious bias there. BBQ has made clear his lack of understanding of how to play RDM correctly.

You expected fair and balanced?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by Murphie

I dunno, there is some obvious bias there. BBQ has made clear his lack of understanding of how to play RDM correctly.

Enlighten me, what did I miss? You want me to jot down the "jack of all trades" nonsense or say what RDM really does in a PT?

[Jei]

Originally Posted by Eiyoko

because I couldn't sleep four mobs at once.
(Eiyoko) Um...why would I need to?
(person) lol thats how brd pulls
(Eiyoko) ...

/shrug

I don't wanna say this but.... that's how Brd pulls.
At higher level, mainly in TP burn parties, you kill mobs in even less than a minute. And when one dies, the next one will be slept ready to be slaughtered just right next to the group.
That's Brd.

About BBQ, what he said is true.
Rdm's role may vary a lot.
Outside EXP party, Rdm can do many other things.
But.
In EXP party, Rdm is prefered as a full time mage.