[Maju]

Originally Posted by queenuma

I thought I would test Maju's theory today given that we are both roughly in the same time-zone.

I ran a search during Jap peak time for all players level between 15-20. Of the 112 players found this is what I got.

35 - Weren't in Kor tunnel, VD or one of the surrounding zones (6 were actually in cad marsh )

60 - Actually in VD

12 - In surrounding areas ie. Kon Highlands, La theine, Selbina.

5 - In Kor tunnel 2 nin/rng, 1 whm, 1 blm and a blu. (blu was not in pt)

Soooooooooooooooooooooo I spoke to the party in Kor tunnel and guess what. They were English, proper British folk in a static party, one of them even knew what a numpty was. Yay!.

Perhaps I should also mention that an awful lot of the players in the dunes had a little "J" in the search window and not an "E".

Now I'm not saying this is conclusive evidence as I don't have any means of checking on other servers except Remora but it does seem to show that everyone heads down to the dunes for those levels regardless of what country they're from.

Your server fails. D;

[dirtyclown]

Originally Posted by Maju

Your server fails. D;

Says the man from Midgardsormr. :D

[Mhurron]

Why are NAs obsessed with Valkurm?

It's the sandy beaches and clear skies.

[Queen Uma]

Originally Posted by Maju

Your server fails. D;

Asura wins on account of the Japanese now running round calling people numpties because of me Its great to see in party chat when someone makes a mistake.

/p *japanese thingies* numpty *more thingies* W

Just makes me feel happy

I don't think they quite understand what it means but they get the general idea.

[Macht]

Originally Posted by Shopee

There's a reason it's called 'fair-skinned'.

To be honest I never got sun-tanning (but that's taking this WAY off-topic).

On the subject of the Mayonnaise Jar and Coffee, I looked it up.

It's an interesting enough analogy, although I'm not entirely sure how you see it fitting. I guess I'll toss my interpretation out there.

Fun and friendships are sand.

Ethics, integrity and people are the golfballs.

That's not it's breaksdown, golfballs are suppose to be friends, family, hobbies, religion, health. If you lost everything else these you can count on still being there.

The pebbles are other things that matter like work, car, your house, and ethics, etc.

The sand is the trivial stuff clean the house, walk the dogs, cutting the lawn, etc..

The two cups of coffee is no matter how full you think your life is you always have room for two cups of coffee with a friend.


The more in-depth meaning is stating no matter what you always got the option to enjoy your time. The only time this is false is when the person makes it false himself.

[Shopee]

Originally Posted by Macht

That's not it's breaksdown, golfballs are suppose to be friends, family, hobbies, religion, health. If you lost everything else these you can count on still being there.

Still being there for what? For yourself? So the big things in life are big because of how reliably they give you support?

And you can't count on those being there. Your health can go down the drain due to disease, your family can die, your friends can be killed, your hobbies can be destroyed. About the only thing on there I can see that you can count on is religion.

What about a friendless orphan in an impoverished area? Is their life lacking the things that matter (and therefore value) because at most they could have religion? Sort of sucks for them that they don't have all those comfy golfballs to hold on to.

The pebbles are other things that matter like work, car, your house, and ethics, etc.

The fact that ethics is here as opposed to a golfball is crazy. It's more important to live morally than anything else.

The sand is the trivial stuff clean the house, walk the dogs, cutting the lawn, etc..

I can go with that.

The two cups of coffee is no matter how full you think your life is you always have room for two cups of coffee with a friend.

Not if your friends were incinerated by bombs. Or what if you have no friends? Believe it or not but there are some people not fortunate enough to have any.

The more in-depth meaning is stating no matter what you always got the option to enjoy your time. The only time this is false is when the person makes it false himself.

This is by far one of the most fallacious parts of the analogy. There are things that are not to be enjoyed. You don't enjoy your time at a family member's funeral. How many martyrs do you think had the choice to enjoy themselves when they gave their lives up for a cause? You think they were skipping in joy? You think the prisoners of war in Nazi camps had the choice to enjoy themselves?

You think people in those situations MADE it false for themselves that they couldn't enjoy the situation they were in?

Now I'm all for optimism, but this overly sentimental, hallmark-card nonsense strikes me as irrational and senseless. Yes, the point is to get you to look on the bright side of life. Great. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't apply as an actual analogy, and becomes entirely senseless. Life will get tough, even for people in the middle-class comfort zone that this analogy might most apply to. You can't always enjoy yourself, and there is no reason to constantly do so.

Life is just as meaningful if you don't enjoy it (although enjoying it is a perfectly good thing to do, one which should be encouraged).

[pearlsea]

One of the main reasons imo why the dunes are soo popular is that at lvl 10-20 your traveling options are extreamly limited, no chocobo, no teleports by whm in your party, and its a great zone to get through 10 lvls. Same thing with qufim and kazam, also about half the partys i get invited to in the dunes fail so once you disband if your lucky you can get another party going and actualy start killing within miniutes.

[hexx]

being a new player, most of my time to get to where i am was spent in the dunes, ive had a blast and made some pretty good friends who are willing to party once of the appropriate levels, and as Pearlsea said, your options at the lower levels are pretty limited.

[Lakai]

Umm we all know that korroloka exp also sucks if its packed out, so if all NA's went to Korroloka and only a few went to VD, the people in VD would be the smart people I guess... VD exp is pretty damn easy and not that bad if people in your pt have a clue. But thats a general statement and holds true in any area to begin with.

[Macht]

Originally Posted by Shopee

Still being there for what? For yourself? So the big things in life are big because of how reliably they give you support?
And you can't count on those being there. Your health can go down the drain due to disease, your family can die, your friends can be killed, your hobbies can be destroyed. About the only thing on there I can see that you can count on is religion.

What about a friendless orphan in an impoverished area? Is their life lacking the things that matter (and therefore value) because at most they could have religion? Sort of sucks for them that they don't have all those comfy golfballs to hold on to.

The fact that ethics is here as opposed to a golfball is crazy. It's more important to live morally than anything else.

I can go with that.

Not if your friends were incinerated by bombs. Or what if you have no friends? Believe it or not but there are some people not fortunate enough to have any.

This is by far one of the most fallacious parts of the analogy. There are things that are not to be enjoyed. You don't enjoy your time at a family member's funeral. How many martyrs do you think had the choice to enjoy themselves when they gave their lives up for a cause? You think they were skipping in joy? You think the prisoners of war in Nazi camps had the choice to enjoy themselves?

You think people in those situations MADE it false for themselves that they couldn't enjoy the situation they were in?

Now I'm all for optimism, but this overly sentimental, hallmark-card nonsense strikes me as irrational and senseless. Yes, the point is to get you to look on the bright side of life. Great. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't apply as an actual analogy, and becomes entirely senseless. Life will get tough, even for people in the middle-class comfort zone that this analogy might most apply to. You can't always enjoy yourself, and there is no reason to constantly do so.

Life is just as meaningful if you don't enjoy it (although enjoying it is a perfectly good thing to do, one which should be encouraged).

If you take care of your health by regular visits, keep in touch with the family members you do have (Family doesn't mean solely blood, it's the people who cared for you in your youth) including children (your own or those you adopt), play another 18 or an extra hour. It's paying attention to things that are good for your happiness. Remember we have been talking in the realm of our own control, a plague is an out of our control don't start adding conditions only because it favors you. In that same case taking the steps to try and prevent you from getting that plague or whatever is the relivant meaning to your health.

Outside of that even health wise spending the time to make sure you are as healthy as you could be then without work, if you payed attention to your health you should be able to count on it being there for you. If you kept in touch with family members and on good terms then even without work you know they'll be there.

In doing this you already cover a great deal of ethics already, which is why what isn't covered there extends to the pebbles. Because it is the next important thing. The pebbles help to maintain the golfballs not always neccissary for the golfballs, and the sand just covers the rest. It doesn't work the other way around.

If you fill it with all sand first then you do not have room for the pebbles or golfballs.

It applies very much because it breaks down the same in game. Golfballs when you look at it fits to the job/sub, parties, Besiege, etc. Pebbles cover the Mission, Quests, BCNM, NM, HNM, Dynamis, Gear, Exp, and Armor. Then sand fits for crafts, fishing, gardening, minning, farming, etc.

For your own happiness you pick the jobs you want, party with people you enjoy being with, and have fun with the events. You exp to help keep up with the people you party with, improve the fun you have with that job, or enjoy more of the extra events. If Exping went away you can still have fun with the people you party with the job you have and the extra events you do.

The content of it may be very optimistic in it's delivery, but it's meaning and structure is quite sound. No matter what I still believe that the journey itself is the most important part.

For the recent post though the lower level areas to go for exp is not limited, in truth the zone count for lower levels to exp is far larger then the higher levels. Areas are well structured that a party could use them to exp, the only reason many are not used is generally a lacking knowledge and an unwillingness to try. The idea of success constant repeats itself in the logic that greater numbers have better success, this logic is not always true as been proven many times.

It's the reason you get War stragedies that can win with few casualties a less people needed. It's why you get sayings like "To many cooks spoil the goulash", only the basic survival does the saying 'There's strength in numbers" appear more accurate. In truth though the greater numbers just means more bodies for a person to hide behind to protect themselves.

[Shopee]

Originally Posted by Macht

In doing this you already cover a great deal of ethics already, which is why what isn't covered there extends to the pebbles. Because it is the next important thing.

Only in a hedonistic ethical system.

Remember we have been talking in the realm of our own control, a plague is an out of our control don't start adding conditions only because it favors you.

You said:

The more in-depth meaning is stating no matter what you always got the option to enjoy your time. The only time this is false is when the person makes it false himself.

This appears to imply that it is the case in all situations, including plagues, prison camps, wars and poverty. Not merely when it is under our control. It appears this is not what you meant, however you should realize I was merely reacting based on what you said.

No matter what I still believe that the journey itself is the most important part.

And that's fine, but it is perfectly legitimate if someone thinks otherwise.

[Macht]

Originally Posted by Shopee

This appears to imply that it is the case in all situations, including plagues, prison camps, wars and poverty. Not merely when it is under our control. It appears this is not what you meant, however you should realize I was merely reacting based on what you said.

Just because 1 sentance seems to suggest uncontrolled action. The entire thing before it is of a focus around one's own controlable aspects. So I took it as a liberty that I'd think the whole thing would be viewed in the aspect of one's own controls. Which is why I didn't continue with a signifier to indicate that 1 sentence to be taken under the same perspective as the rest of it.

Besides that as I had stated previously I do exadurate my meanings. Even though the sentance does qualify as you would think, just remembering my statement of tending to exadurate should of tipped off my sentence wasn't to be percieved in that nature.

[Shopee]

Originally Posted by Macht

Just because 1 sentance seems to suggest uncontrolled action. The entire thing before it is of a focus around one's own controlable aspects. So I took it as a liberty that I'd think the whole thing would be viewed in the aspect of one's own controls. Which is why I didn't continue with a signifier to indicate that 1 sentence to be taken under the same perspective as the rest of it.

Unfortunately communication tends to break down over the net (^_^)

[HarlockQ]

my opinion its because of the fact that alot of ppl dont really know that korrokolo is a good place to level, plus VD has its advantages over the tunnel too one wide open spaces less likely for aggro that way, three more ppl mainly because of reason 1

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by HarlockQ

my opinion its because of the fact that alot of ppl dont really know that korrokolo is a good place to level, plus VD has its advantages over the tunnel too one wide open spaces less likely for aggro that way, three more ppl mainly because of reason 1

Actually you're much less likely to catch aggro in Korroloka than Valkurm.

Valkurm PRO:
- Not many linking enemies
- Many camp locations
- Lots of people

Valkurm CON:
- Not close to any moogles (unless you've cleared CoP chapter 1 and have stealth meds on you).
- Nasty night-time aggro in places (Bogy, Ghoul, etc. depending on level).
- Requires a full or nearly full party to kill anything

Korroloka PRO:
- Not much aggro to speak of. Worms are passive until attacked (though linking), don't move at all, and have pathetic defense and evasion.
- Easy access from Bastok (also means that anyone with the Altepa crystal can be transported there VERY quickly from anywhere via Teleport Altep + Escape)
- Doesn't require a full party to be effective

Korroloka CON:
- Not well known by NAs. You'll have to do a bit of convincing to get people to go there.
- Linking worms can cause problems with chains (if you're lucky enough to find a Bard, though, this is simplicity to deal with).
- Only a few camp locations, and only one that's easily accessible to the uninitiated.


Icemage