[Queen Uma]

Originally Posted by Maju

Yeah, I agree with this in a way. If you don't have a sub, Valkurm is ideal because the sub job quest items drop there, however, if you have a sub there is little reason to ever exp in Valkurm again.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. Complete newbies won't have subs, simple as that. So either you're talking about newbies being told to go to VD, which is the best place for them, or you want more experienced players to go to Kor tunnel.

The main thing you seem to be forgetting is the size factor involved. Kor tunnel cannot support anywhere near as many parties as VD or BP. If everyone went to Kor tunnel and levelled from 15-20, xp would grind to a halt due to over camping. Everyone would sit around bitching and moaning that "Valkrum is so much better, why is it only the Japs level there?"

Originally Posted by Maju

I believe JP newbies are either better at seeking info or just more willing to do so. Obviously it has nothing to do with gamer talent.

Actually I would say its more along the lines of the Japanese being less willing to help new starters so players are more likely to look up mob levels or levelling guides from the internet.

[Maju]

Originally Posted by queenuma

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. Complete newbies won't have subs, simple as that. So either you're talking about newbies being told to go to VD, which is the best place for them, or you want more experienced players to go to Kor tunnel.

I consider anyone who has not yet reached L50 with a single job a newbie. Past L50 I expect anyone I PT with to know how to play their job. Sadly it doesn't always go like that. Thus most newbies do have sub jobs.

The main thing you seem to be forgetting is the size factor involved. Kor tunnel cannot support anywhere near as many parties as VD or BP. If everyone went to Kor tunnel and levelled from 15-20, xp would grind to a halt due to over camping. Everyone would sit around bitching and moaning that "Valkrum is so much better, why is it only the Japs level there?"

The fastest should pick Korroloka and the rest would have to settle with Valkurm. It would solve the shitty exp problem of the low levels and the overcrowding of Valkurm.

Actually I would say its more along the lines of the Japanese being less willing to help new starters so players are more likely to look up mob levels or levelling guides from the internet.

Well, if that is the case, they're clearly making their community a favor by not being as helpful.

[neighbortaru]

1. please refrain from making any more sweeping generalizations about JP vs NA.

2. how do you not know the JP newbies aren't simply being told to level in Korro and thus adhearing to sheep mentality too?

[ValisOfValefor]

Well the thing is when I've played in the Karrakola tunnel is that It can really support only 2 good parties. And even then we were fighting over the enemies, waiting over pop locations.

I myself didn't really like it, now if there wasn't always some manaburning party down there (atleast on my server everytime I've been down there, the other parties been a Power leveled manaburn). Ill go there yes, but in my experience the dunes or burmibu penninsula (once again sorry if I mispelled it) can give much better experince.

(Though, thats what this all is about, is in our own experiences in this game)

[Omni]

yes, korrokola tunnel can only hold 3 pts at most. more than that and you'll be provoking worms like they are nms.

1 pt in the beginning, 1 at the end near aletpa and 1 across the bridge near the crabs.

thats 18 ppl max in that zone for levels 13-18. valkrum can hold 100+ people no problem.

are you japanese maju?

[Queen Uma]

Originally Posted by Maju

I consider anyone who has not yet reached L50 with a single job a newbie. Past L50 I expect anyone I PT with to know how to play their job. Sadly it doesn't always go like that. Thus most newbies do have sub jobs.

So in this case your use of the word "newbie" is wrong. The players that should be going to VD, i.e the real Newbies, are on their first job or have just unlocked their subjob and decided to get that to a suitable level.

Originally Posted by Maju

The fastest should pick Korroloka and the rest would have to settle with Valkurm. It would solve the shitty exp problem of the low levels and the overcrowding of Valkurm.

So who determines the "fastest" if someone makes the effort to get to Kor Tunnel aren't going to turn around and run back to VD when they see its full.

Originally Posted by Maju

Well, if that is the case, they're clearly making their community a favor by not being as helpful.

If you say so

[Maju]

Originally Posted by neighbortaru

1. please refrain from making any more sweeping generalizations about JP vs NA.

2. how do you not know the JP newbies aren't simply being told to level in Korro and thus adhearing to sheep mentality too?

1. The only way to talk about a large number of individuals is through generalization. When I say JP newbies > NA newbies I obviously don't mean there are no exceptions. I'm merely giving my thoughts on what I have observed.

And I'm not talking only about exping locations. JP newbies do in fact play better than NA newbies, at least that is what my experience tells me. Of course it is possible that since the ammount of JP newbies I have partied with is relatively very low, I might have just been lucky and and not met many horrible players in their ranks. However, I see that as the more unlikely possibility.

2. Sheep mentality is only bad when it leads to people doing things wrong. Even if JPs like to level in Korroloka without understanding why they do it, at least they're gaining a lot more exp than the fools pulling one snipper every 20 minutes in Valkurm.

Originally Posted by queenuma

So who determines the "fastest" if someone makes the effort to get to Kor Tunnel aren't going to turn around and run back to VD when they see its full.

/sea korroloka

Originally Posted by ValisOfValefor

Well the thing is when I've played in the Karrakola tunnel is that It can really support only 2 good parties. And even then we were fighting over the enemies, waiting over pop locations.

Korroloka can usually support two parties at the Bastok entrance, two in the "middle room" and two at the Altepa entrance.

[Queen Uma]

Originally Posted by Maju

/sea korroloka

Again we're supposed to be talking about newbies. They probably won't know much about the search facility outside of using the menu at least and they won't be able search Kor Tunnel unless they have actually been there.

Originally Posted by maju

Korroloka can usually support two parties at the Bastok entrance, two in the "middle room" and two at the Altepa entrance.

If you don't mind slower xp than snippers on whitebone at peak time

[neighbortaru]

generalizations also step on peoples toes, especially when you are making disparaging remarks.

just because your experiences make you think something, does not mean it is appropriate to generalize base on that.

for example, NIN > PLD because all the PLDs suck, "at least that is what my experience tells me."

so again, please refrain from making sweeping generalizations (and absolute statements for that matter).

[Lambeaus]

I was getting 240xp per Zu in the penninsula last night!

[Maju]

Originally Posted by neighbortaru

generalizations also step on peoples toes, especially when you are making disparaging remarks.

just because your experiences make you think something, does not mean it is appropriate to generalize base on that.

for example, NIN > PLD because all the PLDs suck, "at least that is what my experience tells me."

so again, please refrain from making sweeping generalizations (and absolute statements for that matter).

Should I perhaps gather notes of all my parties and then post them here so you can see pure statistics? Just because someone feels their toes are being stepped on doesn't mean it's not true.

Texans love guns. That's another generalization, but we all know it's not too far fetched. There is some truth in every generalization.

And that NIN > PLD comment of yours isn't far from the truth either. I bet in most situations NIN is better even if sometimes PLD can do a great job.

[Hantz]

Originally Posted by Maju

Texans love guns.

Hey now, don't drag us into this...

[neighbortaru]

Originally Posted by Maju

Should I perhaps gather notes of all my parties and then post them here so you can see pure statistics? Just because someone feels their toes are being stepped on doesn't mean it's not true.

two things:

1. it's not an issue of stepped on toes being true or not. stepped on toes lead to flames and flames lead to thread locks. unless you want to see this thread locked, don't start down that path to being with.

2. generalizations are just as far from the truth as they are close to it; which in the end means they are worthless.

[Macht]

Didn't bother to read everything just skimmed a few. What I have to say is when I started this game and my 3 other friends, we were able to travel from starting nations to any of the other 3 without much trouble. So a group of newbies traveling between areas shows it isn't as hard as people make it to look.

I noticed someone state that Full Force Blow hurts. This has only been true for me when I fought worms in Maze of Shakhrami when I was lv. 10. Outside of that equipping right for your targeted enemy works wonders. Once I got my equipped with all the +stone equipment Full Force Blow was more like a Full Force Tap a whooping 30 damage when each hit is doing 15-20.

Mind you we got those strategies down before ever even getting a subjob yet. Started for my subjob stuff when I was halfway through 17. First time I ever went to Valkurm or Buburimu. Actually got my lv. 18 while collecting the items for the quest, also was when i happened to get the gem I needed for the SMN quest. Didn't know before that any ghost would drop the subjob item so we waited in the penninsula for night.

Still think for the lv. 10-20 Korroloka and Maze of Shakhrami is the fastest. Even know a person I met who gave me hell about exp'ing in maze. He left the party and went back to Dunes, even as hard as it was to get people to come to the maze when all was said and done 2 days later that same guy is questioning me on how I reach lv. 20 so fast. he had only achieved 3 levels in those 2 days. while I achieved 8.

Those two areas are definatly faster all you need is a good healer and any ranged fighter (range physical or magic), rest of party make-up doesn't matter as long as their defense is half-way decent. After lv. 15 party size should only be like 3 people for best exp effeciency. Lighter party much more portable and effecient.

Now the only advantage of Dunes is that it is capable of supporting more parties then Maze or Korroloka is able. The quantity of worms that pop is just to low for their to be any more then 1-2 parties.

A player getting invited to basically a full part already in maze or korroloka has to be an idiot or lacking a lot of information to refuse that.

[Shopee]

Originally Posted by Maju

1. The only way to talk about a large number of individuals is through generalization. When I say JP newbies > NA newbies I obviously don't mean there are no exceptions. I'm merely giving my thoughts on what I have observed.

And I'm not talking only about exping locations. JP newbies do in fact play better than NA newbies, at least that is what my experience tells me.

Since both your avatar and signature involve anime, and you are applying a positive generalization to JP players and a negative to NA players, this would lead me to generalize using my experience that you are no more than a JP fanboy/girl, and in actuality this is merely the projection of your idea that Japanese culture and/or certain entertainment mediums are superior to anything of North American (or European) production.

I am not responsible for any reader failing to detect the irony and/or point of this post.