12-08-2005, 02:25 PM | #1 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 107 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 2,488 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,488 Donate | ppl call me strange??? hi ppl in vandeil that i party with bin callin me strange cuz im a war23/mnk10 im always main tank and i use berserk wen ppl ask me y i do this i say its cuz if healer is concetratin on main tank then y not get some power in as well and they call me strange is it strange???am i the only one hu does it????   "You have 2 legs so walk forward on them" | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 02:28 PM | #2 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 221 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 455 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 455 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? your WHM has to use almost twice as much mp... meaning lots of downtime | Originally Posted by Blood Red Poet | | InuTrunks is just mad, because I ate his baby. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 02:29 PM | #3 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 107 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 2,488 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,488 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? so think i soud stop using berserk and just take the damage  "You have 2 legs so walk forward on them" | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 02:32 PM | #4 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 30 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 30 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? Ur not strange, just ppl are just very stingy about keepin the subjob always half of the main.....i did the war/mnk with mnk bein lower than half the main and ppl didn't say anything to me.....just different ppl like to complain i guess. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 02:35 PM | #5 (permalink) | | Pai Pai Lackey Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,242 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 29x in 24 Posts Gil: 39,134 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 39,134 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? I did that with WAR/NIN a lot but I also had fish mithkabobs and meat mithkabobs to use depending on the party and situation. Along with the food I used Berserk and Defender depending on the situation, if you are main tank and do it right you can dish out some good damage while keeping the WHMs MP consumption low.
Takes a lot of concentration though because you will tend to have to cancel out Defender and Berserk at certain times. Then go with these 4 combinations:
Fish + Berserk = Normal Defense and +25% Attack
Fish + Defender = +48% Defense and -25% Attack
Meat + Berserk = -25% Defense and +48% Attack
Meat + Defender = +25% Defense and Normal Attack
The different combinations work well to help get hate faster or reduce damage to keep hate better. Either way just got to know when is a good time to use which combination. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 02:39 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Necro Slayer Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,821 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 78 Thanked 325x in 199 Posts Gil: 6,961 Bank: 48,057 Total Gil: 55,018 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? Ya, you should stop using it. The game is about the quickest way to kill something with the least amount of effort. It takes balancing. While you may be hitting for more dmg meaning your going to kill it faster, its offset by the mp use of the whm. At lower lvls many whms don't know how to conserve their mp and use more than they should. So you would be running out of a lot of mp by using Berserk continually which would mean a lot of downtime. Also if your main tanking, use gear for tanking. Def heavy gear is more desirable. Don't worry if your taking war to 75, there will come a time when your tanking will slow down to a trickle and you can be a damage dealer. It just takes some time. | Originally Posted by WishMaster3K | | The vagina is a magical object. | | Originally Posted by Balfree | | AND, running the game at 2024x2024 resolution, with forced AA and AF... o boy, you can even see that galka's pubes. | Originally Posted by Malevolent | | But what i learned is that devout catholics CANNOT and WILL NOT take a friggin joke. Also, trying to explain a joke to them is like farting in a revolving door. | Originally Posted by Aksannyi | | FFXIOnline.com ... "Where women are not constantly begged to show tits or GTFO!" | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 03:29 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 127 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,583 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,583 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? | Originally Posted by WINGxx | | so think i soud stop using berserk and just take the damage | No I think you should learn some english, then the game... | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 03:31 PM | #8 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 107 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 2,488 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,488 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? wow ur so funny  "You have 2 legs so walk forward on them" | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 03:41 PM | #9 (permalink) | | Drama Queen Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 978 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 9x in 7 Posts Gil: 2,764 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,764 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? | Originally Posted by Yashin | | No I think you should learn some english, then the game... | Look who's talking, eh? >>; | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 03:56 PM | #10 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 36 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 822 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 822 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? wen u talk liek dis ppl wil think ur strange.
When people see your sub they will look at you as Nub. Don't prove them right by talking stupid. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 04:03 PM | #11 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 221 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 455 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 455 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? i thought it was funny
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i didnt think i could ever be so mean  | Originally Posted by Blood Red Poet | | InuTrunks is just mad, because I ate his baby. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 07:04 PM | #12 (permalink) | | Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,102 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 17 Thanked 65x in 50 Posts Gil: 840,275 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 840,275 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? | Originally Posted by Yashin | | No I think you should learn some english, then the game... | I think you should learn some manners before you post again, asshat.  Gaming at its best, the good old 8-bit days | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 08:36 PM | #13 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 134 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,250 Bank: 763 Total Gil: 2,013 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? Lern too uze gud engrish!!! But in all seriousness, when I was a noob WAR, I kept my MNK subjob at 5 simply for boost. Plus I hate to lvl MNK. Since then i have gotten my THF to 20 and use it for a SJ or Maybe even DRG if im gunna be primarily DPS, i always ask. but i would NEVER use berzerk as a tank. I will even remove it from myself if I am SATA partner. It is just courtesy t the mages, and the rest of the party. If you are really set in your ways, you might want to try World of Warcraft. it really caters to your uh... playstyle. DPS can be tanks sometimes and vica versa.  Never fear Death... simply become it... http://www.insomniel.com/quizzes/dragoon.html <-- ME!
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Baby I'm your man... | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 08:42 PM | #14 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sc, usa Posts: 715 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Gil: 1,617 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,617 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? taking double damage while tanking = baaad lol.
save berserk for when you aren't the tank please  | Originally Posted by Goblin smithy | People who live in easily stabbed bodies shouldn't throw stones.
Good motto there. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-08-2005, 10:57 PM | #15 (permalink) | | Chapeauteur Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,798 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 215 Thanked 630x in 321 Posts Gil: 7,479 Bank: 36,771 Total Gil: 44,250 Donate | Re: ppl call me strange??? Since you double the damage you deal as well as the damage you take when using Berserk, you may think it's an even trade but it really isn't. You're not the only person dealing damage. Say there are 3 melee in your group all doing the same amount of damage and you use Berserk. You're now doing as much damage as two characters, so your party deals damage like it has four melee instead of three. That's a 33% increase in killing speed. But since you're the tank and you're the only one taking damage, now you're getting wailed on as if you had two mobs hitting you instead of one, a 100% increase in the damage your party is taking. That means your healer will burn up MP twice as fast and your party will have to spend twice as much time waiting and getting no exp while the white mage sits.
As an example, let's say you're in a party that can kill 3 pugils before the white mage has to sit for MP when you're not using Berserk. If you use Berserk, you will do enough more damage that you could kill 4 pugils in the same amount of time, BUT because the healer's MP is ticking down twice as fast, you really only have enough time to kill 2 before you see the (No more MP!) call and have to stop fighting. Worse, if you have Berserk on and the pugil decides to use Screwdriver on you, most likely you will die in one hit, effectively killing the entire party.
Hope that explanation makes sense.
PS: aegina your new sig makes me want to run and hide. Double Post Edited:
I realize the ratios are off. I was just trying to use round numbers to keep it simple. Last edited by Taskmage : 12-08-2005 at 10:57 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:59 PM. | | |