Interactive Renkei Chart...HELP WANTED! - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community

Caspian · 10-23-2005, 03:33 PM

I had an idea for a renkei chart that was interactive, somewhat like the stat calculator. You could put in who was skillchaining and what lvl they were, and it would show available skill chains based on what weapon skills were available. Not only that, but I'd like an input for mob or type you're fighting. Then it could list the the sc's based on effectiveness due to lvl of sc as well as elemental weakness of mob. Also, it would be handy if it would show possible spells to MB off of.

I have absolutely no background in programming, so I'm not sure how plausible this is. However, if someone skilled would be willing to program it, I'd be more than happy to help compile all the necessary data.

Just putting this out there. I think it might be a cool way to find usable skillchains.

Let me know what you think.
Thanks!

InuTrunks · 10-23-2005, 03:36 PM

There is already several HTML versions ofthis ^^

Caspian · 10-23-2005, 03:38 PM

Damn, I suck.
oh well.

tdh · 10-23-2005, 04:34 PM

If there are HTML versions of this, could somebody post some links to them?

I built a database personal uses, and thought ot build a PHP front end for it so my Ls could use it, but why bother if somebody else already did it? lol

Pai Pai Master · 10-23-2005, 04:37 PM

http://www.deadgod.net/index.php?do=renkei

Caspian · 10-23-2005, 04:38 PM

Thing I hate most is trying to find the right weapons, then find ws's that are lower enough to use when I'm lvling my subs. Then if you find multiple, figuring out which is the best to use.
Its easier higher up when everyone starts doing distortion, but half the time there's a mnk in the party, and rng > mnk sc's at my lvl suck.

EDIT: Awesome, thanks Pai.

Double EDIT: It seems to be off on some stuff. I tried Rng > Thf. It says distortion is completely impossible. Even though Sidewinder or Piercing > VB is lvl 2 distortion. Odd.

DakAttack · 10-24-2005, 12:22 PM

It's missing a lot of information.

nanatsu · 10-24-2005, 01:16 PM

If you have Firefox you can get an excellent Skillchain Calculator extension:

http://ffxi.xenoveritas.org/tools/sk...ns/index.shtml

It's been accurate for me so far and is updated regularly. No information on mobs and such but it easily outdoes any skillchain chart I can think of and you can even send in reports if you find a mistake.

Double Post Edited:
Hrmmm, unfortunately it looks like they have tons of work to do with Avatar-based skillchains

Double Post Edited:
Or maybe it's just a tad buggy. If you use the weapons tab, skilchains possible with Avatars show up just fine. Although I'm still not sure if they have completed gathering all the avatar data.

Aeni · 11-04-2005, 11:48 PM

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Essentially, the Skillchain Calculator has a problem. It's written in JavaScript. Mozilla's implementation of JavaScript is single-threaded. Everything UI-related in Mozilla is written in JavaScript.

So, when the calculator is off calculating chains, the entire browser locks up. Not good.

So about a year ago, I stopped actively developing the thing and went looking for solutions to this. A couple of months ago, I discovered that Mozilla's JavaScript implementation is, indeed, single threaded, meaning that the extension will always lock up the browser while calculating.

Since then, I've been looking for solutions to this problem, and trying to come up with some way to work around this. And I haven't really come up with anything managable.

Which means: I'm almost certainly, at this point, going to discontinue the Skillchain Calculator as an extension. It can't work without stopping the entire browser while calculating, and I don't want that. It's also gotten VERY ugly internally, as XUL/JavaScript do not lend themself to clean coding practices.

That doesn't mean it's going away, though. I'm working on re-writing it in Java. Java has the advantage of allowing multithreaded applications, so the entire program won't freeze simply because it's off calculating in the background. It also means that people won't need to use Firefox to get the extension, they just need Java. (Which is, of course, larger than Firefox. Can't win them all.)

Java also has the added advantage that it should make displaying the results in an understandable fashion much easier.

Unfortunately, I don't have an ETA on a release of the Java version. But it will hopefully be easier to use than the Mozilla version, as well as faster.

In other words, he needs to redo this in PHP

Well, I think he should. But anyway, looks like development has stopped.

nanatsu · 11-05-2005, 12:19 AM

well I still use it x_x I don't notice any real problems with it. But if development has stopped then oh well. :p Guess it's time to find something else

Hereaux · 11-05-2005, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by Pai Pai Master

http://www.deadgod.net/index.php?do=renkei

Everytime I try to use this thing it just blinks and resets itself...

Omni · 11-21-2005, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by nanatsu

If you have Firefox you can get an excellent Skillchain Calculator extension:

http://ffxi.xenoveritas.org/tools/sk...ns/index.shtml

It's been accurate for me so far and is updated regularly. No information on mobs and such but it easily outdoes any skillchain chart I can think of and you can even send in reports if you find a mistake.

Double Post Edited:
Hrmmm, unfortunately it looks like they have tons of work to do with Avatar-based skillchains

Double Post Edited:
Or maybe it's just a tad buggy. If you use the weapons tab, skilchains possible with Avatars show up just fine. Although I'm still not sure if they have completed gathering all the avatar data.

this thing... is... so... cool.

id love to see it built out to be more robust.
like casp said, monster weaknesses for a particular renkei would be a nice one.

nanatsu · 11-22-2005, 08:39 AM

Well so far the guy has still been fixing bugs and making it work better, but like was said before he's already stating he's going to stop developing it because of problems with the way Firefox extensions work. He's might attempt to do it Java at a later date, but it really is a very awesome extension and makes it very very easy to come up with skillchains. The bug I mentioned before has been fixed already by the way.

Aeni · 11-29-2005, 04:09 PM

There was another standalone proggy, written in Ruby (There is a Windows .exe version) and that was, IMHO, one of the better SC calculators and you can use it offline or have it handy to run on anything that runs MS DOS or DOS emulation (I think there's even a way to setup that old HP48GX calculator to run in DOS emulation, although not sure if the program would fit in those 512KB cards

) I'll go check to see if it's still being supported and available for download ...

bikkebakke · 12-28-2005, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Aeni

There was another standalone proggy, written in Ruby (There is a Windows .exe version) and that was, IMHO, one of the better SC calculators and you can use it offline or have it handy to run on anything that runs MS DOS or DOS emulation (I think there's even a way to setup that old HP48GX calculator to run in DOS emulation, although not sure if the program would fit in those 512KB cards

) I'll go check to see if it's still being supported and available for download ...

any updates on this?