THE BEST BCNM40 Strat and Drops

[lun4tic]

It's probably common knoledge, but the second half is me just bragging about our drops.

Party setup: War/Nin(me), Rdm/Nin, Drk/War, Drk/Thf, Brd/Whm, and Whm/Smn.

I know it sounds kinda gimped but it worked really well.

After buffing, warrior uses defender and runs out and gathers the Mandragoras together. Bard runs out and plays Horde Lullaby as Drk pulls the black mandy away. Basically jump the black mandy. Drks would both stun the black mandy if it would start casting flood, paralyzega was cured easily, sleepga just wore odd, and blindna wasn't anything to worry about.

Next we fought each one by itself. The bard has a lot of hate now from playing the lullaby over and over so we faught it around the bard. It was also good for buffs from him.

One by one until it was over, and nobody really skill chained. We berserked when we could, and I warcried whenever I could. It was the easiest fight ever.

Out of three fights we got:

3 Survival Belts
2 Enhancing Earrings
2 Scrolls of Ice Spikes
2 Scrolls of Eraser
2 Vile Elixers
1 Balance Buckler
1 Guarding Gorget
1 Mythril Beastcoin
1 Scroll of Phalanx
1 Turquoise

That's 900k+ in items on Seraph. Around 150k for each of us.

[Nodachi]

Hmm i don't get why we didn't win as our strat was damn near identical to yours. I'm the bard and was really the first time using horde lullaby in a situation like this. But what was weird was i would succesfully sleep each of the mandragoras. But after a bit of time half would wake up and the other half would remain asleep. Since horde doesn't stack on top of itself i tried to wait till they all woke to replay it. What would you say would be best? just keep casting horde once a few wake? Or any other ideas would be appreciated. We have enough coins to do about 15 trips or so, so we want to really get this sorted out before we begin going at it hardcore. And congrats on the drops-

[lun4tic]

The bard was the real tank in the BCNM40.

They didn't wake up individually too much, but the bard could take a lot of hits because the mandies didn't hit very hard. We had the whm heal ONLY the bard. We had the red mage heal the fighters since we took minimal damage.

The bard should have enough hate to keep the mandies on the if they wake up, and the white mage should be on the look out with paralyna and the heals. And type of spell can be used because the hate won't even be stolen unless it's relentless heals while their awake.

Also, it helps the bard if you leave the red named one alone until last, that way he can just spam it when it wakes up and won't have to retarget.

Good luck on your next one.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by lun4tic
The bard was the real tank in the BCNM40.

They didn't wake up individually too much, but the bard could take a lot of hits because the mandies didn't hit very hard. We had the whm heal ONLY the bard. We had the red mage heal the fighters since we took minimal damage.

The bard should have enough hate to keep the mandies on the if they wake up, and the white mage should be on the look out with paralyna and the heals. And type of spell can be used because the hate won't even be stolen unless it's relentless heals while their awake.

Also, it helps the bard if you leave the red named one alone until last, that way he can just spam it when it wakes up and won't have to retarget.

Good luck on your next one.

Thanks a lot for the info - should help a lot.

[Nodachi]

Welp we did it again tonight and we won =D thanks for the minor tips, they helped believe it or not.

[Nodachi]

After doing a few more trips i just thought of some things to add to your stratagey. Before running out, have BRD cast minne and lullaby. Minne will help a bit for the short time your tank has to deal with the many mandragoras. Also, Haste is your bard's best friend. If you have a whm make sure to try and keep haste on the bard at all times.

[lun4tic]

Also, it might have been this.



I'm kinda reluctant to post it, but that was taken during the third and last match when somebody pointed it out to the rest of us.

I wasn't really sure if it was a glitch or not, but the Whm claimed to not know anything about it...

I started questioning the 'luck' on the drops too...

Edit: the site isn't working well right now... I don't know what's wrong with the pic.

[Nodachi]

I'm pretty sure luck does play a role in all BC drops. Least i know it's not based off time or how many lived. Cause our quickest time resulted in our poorest drops.

[Mauddib]

So here is how i did the BCNM.... in MSPaint form


THE PT SETUP

WHM/BLM - Me of course, Dedicated Healer of the Bard until the Black Mandy was dead.
RDM/WHM - Dedicated Melee Healer, until the Black Mandy was dead

BRD/NIN- Probably the best thing i've ever seen! Bard can use Utsusemi to take some of the hits he normally would have taken. Max him with some Taznazian(sp) Tacos and alot of CHR equips you'll be set. Seriously, does tbe bard need to or have the time to heal him/herself?

SAM/WAR - Damage Dealer
DRK/WAR - Damage Dealer
PLD/WAR - Tank... kinda.

In All Honesty we should have dumped the PLD. lol, the dark knight kept pulling hate so the PLD was kinda useless.. but then we had a uber dark knight. After the first fight, our DRK went and got +Def Gear and pretty much tanked the rest of the time...

My ideal setup would be WHM RDM BRD and either SAM's or DRKS for the rest. but thats me and my previous experience

OUR STRATAGY!

Soon as you get into the BCNM, Buff up

WHM - Protectra/Shellra
- Stoneskin/Blink
- Reraise (can't be to careful)
- Pop a Cookie and Rest(DON"T USE OTHER FOOD! ie. Pies! the added mp doesn't help if you can't regen it back later on in the fight... Stick to cookies, Ginger/Wizard.)

RDM - Stoneskin/Blink
- I dunno, what ever buffs you need ^.~
- Pop a Cookie and Rest(DON"T USE OTHER FOOD! ie. Pies! the added mp doesn't help if you can't regen it back later on in the fight... Stick to cookies, Ginger/Wizard.)

BRD - Ballad for the mages
- Utsusemi for Blinks
- Food (Tacos)
- After Mages have MP Cast needed buffs on Melee to get them ready... what ever those buffs may be. (hey i'm a WHM, i know my job, but ignore the rest)

Melee - again.... i'm a whm... do your thing melee

*Please refer to the Painting below*

Step 1.

Bard runs up and casts Foe Lulleby on the Black mandy. This gets aggro from all of the white mandies and they all come charging after him. he then moves down into the entry way and casts Horde Lulleby on them to pull them to sleep.

WHM stays with the bard and is solely devoted to curing the BRD. First time i heard this i thought it was useless, and i should try to heal both(thats what i do in exp party afterall) Don't try it. thats what the RDM is for. he can take care of them. and when 6 or 7 of the white mandies wake up to attack the bard... thats 7x2(mnk attacking) 14 hits the bards going to take all at once... he needs the dedicated healer... again, the reason utsu is needed.

Step 2.

AS SOON as the BRD finishes casting Foe Lulleby, the Melee and the RDM run in. Melee beat the crap out of the black mandy till its dead. DRKS cast Stun when ever needed. and SAM has his stun WS macrod if needed. We did a Distortion Skillchain which the RDM bursted on when he had time... Not Nessecary, but fun.

Step 3-4.

After the Black one is dead, the melee and RDM come back and one by one wake up the white mandy and kill them all. Designate someone in your party to be the first one to wake up a mandy. DO NOT WAKE UP THE RED ONE THE BRD IS ALREADY TARGETED ON! This makes for simple problems of targeting and what not.

Also, there is no need to pull the mandy your attacking away from the group of slept mandies. we tried this, but the hate was so great that he'd just come running back very shortly, and caused more problems then what it was trying to cure.

OK, this is what we did naturally, (unplanned) and worked extreamly well for us... ended up becoming part of our offical stratagy.

Who ever has the most MP(RDM or WHM) after the Black mandy dies is the first main healer. The other Runs back pops, a yagudo drink(if necessary) and Cookies(REQUIRED) and rests up back where the black mandy was just killed.

when we did it it, i almost always was the first one to need to heal, so thats how i drew it in my example.

After the RDM runs out of MP, he'd give me a /tell telling me to get up and take over. Sometimes converted but usually rested to full with cookies/juice.

in not to long, all the mandies would be dead... and we'd claim our prize.

THE PAINTING



THE RESULTS

We did so so on results. we did the BCNM with the intention to get Erase for 2 whitemages. so money was secondary. Ended up with 3 Scrolls of erase, and various misc. Goods.

Scroll of erase was 700k at the time... so just with that we made 2.1million devided by 6 equals alot of gil for everyone... and thats just counting erase.

After we gave away phalanx to the RDM 2 erases to the WHM(Me, YAY!) and a WHM in our LS. we sold the rest and everyone walked away with 200k i beleive... can't remember, tis been a while.

We did this BCNM 5 times that night, were 4/5, one attempt in the middle had a bad mishap, forget what happened and everyone died. oh well.

FINAL THOUGHTS

Its not a hard BCNM, with many good rewards. Not every time did we get good drops, but total we got alot. you don't need to do exactly what everyone else has done to win this BCNM. Just remember a few key facts.

DON'T PANIC

our PLD when we did this took a Flood to the face and died right away on one fight. We were able to raise him and keep fighting and have him unweakened by the time we were on the white mandies. It felt like it didn't even phase us. So when sh*t happens, stay cool, keep doing your job. and let the super cool WHM raise the poor SOB.

Good luck all. Hope this little rant helps you all out. Dunno why i posted it. But it brought back good memories. PEACE!

[Aeolus]

This topics a year old and the BCNM sucks for money now........


why?

[Brayden]

This topics a year old and the BCNM sucks for money now........


why?

hah, still, check out that mad diagram action!

[Aeni]

This topics a year old and the BCNM sucks for money now........


why?

I don't know about you, but Utsu:Ni and Erase is not "sucky" money. Not unless you were born with 2.5 million gil sticking out of your mouth ... ;3a

[lionx]

Survival Belt is 500K on our server...what are you smoking?

[Gyotsha]

This bcnm is still great for money, on my server erase is about 500k, survival belt is 900k, and Utsusemi:ni was 600k last I checked, when I did this I was lucky enough to get all 3 :D