Bcnm40

[Atma]

You need a competant bard, a whm, at least one other person capable of casting cure3, and one tank (war or pld, doesn't really matter). The other two slots it really doesn't matter what they are, as long as they can do damage.

Sleepga doesn't cut it. Period. You *MUST* have hoard lullaby or you have failed before you even enter the circle.

Everyone must also consume poison potions till the black mandra is dead. After that it's not really necessary anymore.

Food and Drink (at least 3-4 melons per mage) is also necessary.

Honestly, can someone please explain to me why people always try to do these cheaply? I mean, good lord.. in the time it takes you to farm 40 seals, you can farm enough money to do 30 BCNMs with full supplies.

[Talonus]

Laziness > cheapness.

Anyways, the way we did it we had no need for poison at all. Didn't see the point, and still don't. Mages shouldn't be put to sleep, as they should out of range. Main tank isn't going to be put to sleep, for obvious reasons. Bard would be woken soon as lull broke on any of them, so he won't be asleep for long. That leaves two targets normally, which could easily be broken by a simple cure. *shrugs* Why waste the cash on poison?

As far as potions ago, if you don't need them, why use them? Its perfectly possible to do it without potions. If you want, you can throw in a rest period in which the mages and pld (if using one), gets to full mp. There's more than enough time for one rest period, and you can fit in a second unless you kill horribly slow.

So looks like we did it cheaply because we could. There was no reason to throw down the extra cash if its unneeded. Oh sure, it may save a little bit of time, but if you're doing a set of six fights you're going to spend several hours doing it anyway.

[Varo]

Ok, well today was our first time doing BCNM 40. I had read this thread prior to the event and had planned out the strategy for each person and we all had it down. We died.....for various reasons and mistakes, none of which I wish to discuss here. I do however have one question.

Is there any f'ing way to stop Flood? I mean my god, I casted Stun, I used weapon bash, the paladin used shield bash. None. None of them had any effect on the bitch ass of a turnip. I don't understand it. Comming from a Dark Knight....this is very frustrating. I just feel so helpless. I've been using stun on various things before hand and it makes the party love me (not to mention the paladin). Why now....why....why....why can't I stop flood? Since I have already figured out that there is no way to stop it. Is there ANYTHING we can do to...avoid it? Or is it inevitable and once its casting. Its over. Little help here.

/end wine

[Mithrael]

WHM/BLM or RDM/BLM should do Elemental Seal + Silence to stop flood. Dunno why bash didn't work, one of the two times I've tried this, I was able to bash to stop the cast :/

[Atma]

We usually wait till the black mandra is dead before we go into the planned renkei. Prior to that, everyone should save TP for stun styles.

[Mylek]

Concerning the mary's horn, its definitely useful but not needed unless you have a crappy cha.

I tried the first half of one fight at giddeus without mary's horn [42+28 cha] and I immediately noticed the difference. Enemies would break out of sleep from horde lullaby before the recast timer elapsed which put an unnecessary demand on the healers.

It may be possible to win without the horn with a good team but I do not recommend it. 70k for an item you will own and use for the rest of your bard career is a worthwhile investment before going into bcnm40 giddeus.

Next run I go I will give rdm sub a try and will let you know how it works out.

[daigoro]

Originally posted by Varo
...Is there any f'ing way to stop Flood? ...Is there ANYTHING we can do to...avoid it? Or is it inevitable and once its casting. Its over. Little help here.

/end wine

In all the 40BCNM that I've done, the only time anyone ever got hit by flood is when they arent paying attention. When you see flood is being cast (log or visual), whoever has hate immediatly unlock and run out of cast range (run far enough that your weapon is put away). Its cast time is pretty long so should be easy to get away.

-daigoro

[kainzero]

easy. here are my thoughts, i went 7-0 last night, all on giddeus, 40 sec away from the record during one run, our best was 14m 51s.

pt formation- pld/rng/rng/rdm/whm/brd

bard = good, don't let him/her die, once he dies the game is over. anyone else can die.

poison potions are not necessary, sleep was never really a problem for our PT. neither are hi potions, although you may need them in a tight pinch.

juices are not necessary, surprisingly. we attempted the first couple fights with juices, but we ran out and did them without it. convert is great. however, we had the benefit of a taru whm, and rdm/whm, so we weren't doing too bad, so your PT may need them.

try your best to keep the mandragoras rounded up. mages like to stand outside of sleep range, but if a mage picks up hate off of a mandra, he should run to the bard. stray mandras suck, and if everyone starts running all over the place, bard can't sleep it and people die.

flood sucks. expect someone to die, you can run out of range or whatever. just pray they don't flood the BRD and you can still win.

as a PLD, i felt very UNnecessary. our RNG was doing 150 a hit, and he had the hate almost all the time. however, the battle was still very easy. he tanked pretty well. likewise, you don't need a strong tank, think yhoator mandragors for the white ones. you only need someone to take the hits while you gather the mandragoras...

and just to note:
taru WHM was 40WHM/17BLM
our mithra RNG was using a level 30 bow, a great bow (not even great bow+1).

this battle is easy. there is a bit of risk with flood, but after that, it's cake. i don't understand how people say it is hard.

the only major problems were-
1: getting hit with flood
-during our test run we all used 2h, so I ran in and used invincibility. black mando hit me for 690 with flood. well, surprisingly i surivived. unfortunately during our last run the taru rng got hit with flood and died, but we held on long enough, weakened taru rng still was awesome.
2: keeping mandos together
-one of our runs the BRD almost died, 28 hp away from death, because of the random aggro, and so there would be 3 mandos attacking brd. got lucky with a 2h available and it was over after that.

[McClane]

I am getting a bcnm40 pt together and I was thinking the following for bcnm40 mando's battle

pt: BRD/RDM/PLD/THF/DRG/RNG

I heard dragoon's suck in bcnm40 but he's a good friend ^-^ so wanna try with him

Tactic would be like in the beginning drg/rng provokes, pld and thf get in position and thf does trick/sneak on pld and then pld provokes, that way it's a lot harder to get the hate off pld... the rdm will heal the drg/rng/pld and the brd does his sleep songs, then I would need to figure out a renkei, or 1 with 3 ws's, or 2 with 2 ws's (suggestions are welcome ^-^)
With 4 melee's the dmg could be pretty good and maybe this would speed up the process???
The only problem here is I don't know if the rdm could do all the healing during the bcnm, brd with whm sub could heal some too I guess

I have no experiencewith bcnm, only read about it so you guys know if this could work?

[Lady Kelenae]

Originally posted by daigoro



In all the 40BCNM that I've done, the only time anyone ever got hit by flood is when they arent paying attention. When you see flood is being cast (log or visual), whoever has hate immediatly unlock and run out of cast range (run far enough that your weapon is put away). Its cast time is pretty long so should be easy to get away.

-daigoro

That me ;

Ranger is the best damage dealer for this BC

[stray]

i went thru twice with a somewhat atypical setup from what i see ppl suggest... brd/whm/pld/drg/thf/blm. we did solidly but i don't think we were ready for the marathon aspect nor the status afflictions. first time out we killed the black mandra but lost containment, 2nd time out we got to 3 and lost containment. also our pld got wiped out with flood so the drg was tanking at that point.

raiden > viper made quick work of each mandra... over 900 dmg easily in one swoop and we were building tp quicky... both me and the drg had close to the best lvl 40 equipment we could have... i think he had +15 or +20 accuracy as well.

thinking on different setups atm but from the experience i'm thinking anything can work really with some planning, preparation, and the right gear.

[exile2k3]

Originally posted by McClane
I am getting a bcnm40 pt together and I was thinking the following for bcnm40 mando's battle

pt: BRD/RDM/PLD/THF/DRG/RNG

I heard dragoon's suck in bcnm40 but he's a good friend ^-^ so wanna try with him

Tactic would be like in the beginning drg/rng provokes, pld and thf get in position and thf does trick/sneak on pld and then pld provokes, that way it's a lot harder to get the hate off pld... the rdm will heal the drg/rng/pld and the brd does his sleep songs, then I would need to figure out a renkei, or 1 with 3 ws's, or 2 with 2 ws's (suggestions are welcome ^-^)
With 4 melee's the dmg could be pretty good and maybe this would speed up the process???
The only problem here is I don't know if the rdm could do all the healing during the bcnm, brd with whm sub could heal some too I guess

I have no experiencewith bcnm, only read about it so you guys know if this could work?

If teh DRG sucks, you can always replace him with a DRK ^.^;;

[kazthegun]

finally got to try BCNM40. my PT was: taru PLD/WAR, mithra DRK/THF (me), hume MNK/WAR, taru BLM/WHM, taru WHM/BLM, elvaan BRD/WHM. good configuration on paper, i thought, but 4 out of 6 members had never done BCNM before, so there were some complications. in the first battle, the WHM let our BRD die shortly after the death of the black mandora, so that was game-over; in the second battle, i accidentally engaged while mages were resting after we killed the black mandora, and the BRD died again; in the third battle, the BRD disconnected due to loss of full-screen mode after the death of the black mandora. so there are a few common things for all of these losses: the black mandoraga died each time without too much fuss, and when the BRD died or was missing, everyone died. after these three successive losses, we got our act together and won three times.

flood is relatively easily stopped by elemental seal + silence or foe lullaby, and during the 5th battle i stopped flood with stun. and if all that fails, running away works like a charm. we had a very simple battle plan: the PLD ran straight for the black mandoraga first and voked and flashed him, the BRD came in 2nd and used horde lullaby, and we proceeded to kill the black mandora. after the black mandora died, the BRD kept the white ones asleep while the mages rested to full MP, and then us melees pulled one at a time from the crowd until they were all dead.

the BRD had mary's horn. there were maybe two or three occurrences of stragglers throughout the entirety of the three successful battles. the taru PLD got one-shotted by flood during one of the losses, though it was the death of the BRD that caused the eventual loss. the MNK got hit by flood once (the 2nd flood of that battle) and was reduced to 18 HP. somehow, he lived, and we won that battle.

we got 2 phalanxes (150k), 3 balance bucklers (15k), 3 refreshes (4k), and other assorted loot, for a grand total of about 70k per person.

[Teejay]

giddeus is so easy.

WAR/MNK - sturmwind (ELV)
MNK/WAR - backhand blow (ELV)
RDM/WHM- only person with poison potions (HUM)
BLM/WHM - just there for fun? (MIT)
WHM/BLM - heals bard (HUM)
BRD/WHM- signa and mary's horn (ELV)

we do bcnm40 with our eyes closed.

Only one mage needs poison. Since rdm has the most mp (convert), have him take the poison potions, and just curaga everyone awake. If he does fall asleep (potion runs out, he forgets to use it, etc.), the bard just does a simple cure1 on the RDM, and the RDM wakes everyone else up.
Everyone just stays close together, and bard keeps everything asleep. stopping flood is cake.
MNK Isgreat for bcnm40

i find that just like awntawn, u only need 2 melee, and u can do with four mages.

we usually clock in around 15 minutes for giddeus. Using, 2 hours, probably could be less.

Only the blm and whm need drinks, as RDM i only use 1 or 2 melon juices per fight (not really needed even).

Now that my BST is forty,i'm itching to try a bcnm with it. But first i must get signa.

[Mindjunky]

my ls party is currently lvl 40, we have a PLD, DRK, BLM, WHM, BRD and me.

my question is that i have a THF and a DRG at 40 and wonder what job would best complement this group for BCNM40.

also, what gameplan would u guys suggest if we come in with this party?

thanks in advance...