/heal draws hate?

Coinspinner · 12-08-2003, 08:49 AM

Ok, so I go a little nuke happy and take aggro from a mob and the tank Provokes it off me. I retreat back to max range and sit for MP, as I won't be casting again until the tanks land a few more blows. Now the monster does an about face and comes to attack me again.

Is the enmity generated by Provoke temporary, or does sitting down also generate hate?

DJplaeskool · 12-08-2003, 08:53 AM

Sitting ups your hate a small bit...
It acts kinda like a switch in adding a constant level of enmity...
not much, but enough to draw him if you've recently taken aggro...

Karinya · 12-09-2003, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Coinspinner
Ok, so I go a little nuke happy and take aggro from a mob and the tank Provokes it off me. I retreat back to max range and sit for MP, as I won't be casting again until the tanks land a few more blows. Now the monster does an about face and comes to attack me again.

Is the enmity generated by Provoke temporary, or does sitting down also generate hate?

Whenever a monster attacks a character (even if it misses), its hate toward that character decreases a little. So eventually it will get tired of pounding on the tank, and remember who else it hates, in this case you.

I don't think /heal has anything to do with it - you already had some hate from that monster, so as soon as it worked off some of its hate for the tank, it remembered you.

Xeross · 12-09-2003, 05:42 AM

actually no, /heal does indeed gain hate. How much i'm not sure, but often enough after healing or nuking i see the enemy charge our whm/blm as he/she is sitting. Just think of it like this: the enemys are not dumb as a brick, they know what mana is just as we do, so when if the curing/nuking hasn't pissed them off quite enough, they see said person sit and go, AWW HELL NO! Because /heal means more mana, which means more curing/nuking.

Makes sense to me.

John Doe III · 12-09-2003, 10:10 AM

Dont forget when you sit that draws hate or an aggro =p that may have alittle to do with it.

Dreakon · 01-03-2004, 10:57 AM

It seems FFXI is much more realistic with the monster AI then expected...

Lone Dragon · 01-03-2004, 03:21 PM

It's like when pirana sense blood in water.
Monsters sense a moment of weakness and they act on it.

Usually, if something doesn't normally argo you,
it will attack you if you sit down to rest.
I don't think it comes up as much in a PT though.

Somajan · 01-04-2004, 05:57 PM

I was very impressed with the monster AI in this game than other games.

It also seems that they hate anybody who is more powerful than they are so anybody who uses invinciblity, is automatically on their hate list, for the remainder of the battle.

Kyolii · 01-05-2004, 10:55 PM

I suspect that's also the reason why /healing provokes hate from monsters while they're just wandering around. Seems like I get attacked every time I sit down nowadays...

Lily · 01-06-2004, 06:05 AM

Bees, for example, in Giddeus will not aggro you normally, but if you rest nearby, they will.

Shuketsu · 01-06-2004, 06:45 AM

I've sat down as a level 40 something Dragoon and gotten aggroed by Yagudos in E. Sarta... Kind of funny, watching them rush towards their demise... >_>

Exsol · 01-07-2004, 09:42 PM

lol yeah...
"Hold on a minute while I finish healing, I will kick your ass shortly"
miss miss miss miss miss miss miss
"There all full"
*draw sword* BLAM 800 damage.
(monster squeel sund) *THUD*

Somajan · 01-09-2004, 06:34 PM

Orc squeel sound is very similar to a dog's yelp...

So that's why those orcs in la theine attacked me while I was healing. (I was level 40 btw, I miss beta)

Anom · 01-12-2004, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by Xeross
they see said person sit and go, AWW HELL NO!

HAHAHAHA.

Can see a Crawler look over at a WHM sitting down and go "Oh it's ON now, bitch!"

and then all the other crawlers in the map going "Beat his ASS, muh fuggah!"

Cade · 01-21-2004, 12:05 AM

Not just resting, but when your low in health and running around, undead can sense it and they'll aggro you too, levels be damned!

12-08-2003, 08:49 AM	#1
Coinspinner <3 Valkurm Brass Ribbon of Service Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 1,047 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 70 Thanked 27x in 18 Posts	/heal draws hate? Ok, so I go a little nuke happy and take aggro from a mob and the tank Provokes it off me. I retreat back to max range and sit for MP, as I won't be casting again until the tanks land a few more blows. Now the monster does an about face and comes to attack me again. Is the enmity generated by Provoke temporary, or does sitting down also generate hate? __________________

12-08-2003, 08:53 AM	#2
DJplaeskool ★上手猫又音楽技� ��者★ Brass Ribbon of Service Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,451 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Sitting ups your hate a small bit... It acts kinda like a switch in adding a constant level of enmity... not much, but enough to draw him if you've recently taken aggro... __________________ Kynósoura :: 新しい犬星 :: The unfiltered meanderings of djplaeskool

12-09-2003, 05:42 AM	#4
Xeross Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 214 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	actually no, /heal does indeed gain hate. How much i'm not sure, but often enough after healing or nuking i see the enemy charge our whm/blm as he/she is sitting. Just think of it like this: the enemys are not dumb as a brick, they know what mana is just as we do, so when if the curing/nuking hasn't pissed them off quite enough, they see said person sit and go, AWW HELL NO! Because /heal means more mana, which means more curing/nuking. Makes sense to me. __________________ Xeri[Mithra]:: Current Job:: [THF 25/WAR 18] Other Jobs: [BLM 8]::[WHM 13]::Status->Deleted Lulian[Elvaan]:: Current Job [War 17]::Status->Inactive Torx[Taru]::[WAR 55 \| RNG 28 \| SAM 27 \| BRD 26 \| NIN 25 \| PLD 29 \| WHM 16 \| MNK 13 \| BLM 10 \| DRG 10 \| THF 7 \| DRK 5] Main Job Subjob

12-09-2003, 10:10 AM	#5
John Doe III Senior Veteran Bronze Star Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,983 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 22 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Dont forget when you sit that draws hate or an aggro =p that may have alittle to do with it. __________________ http://www.livejournal.com/users/zandria_/ --- Dra Bmyhad Ec Toehk - FF7 ---- Final Fantasy XI - Zandria

01-03-2004, 10:57 AM	#6
Dreakon Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 174 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	It seems FFXI is much more realistic with the monster AI then expected... __________________

01-03-2004, 03:21 PM	#7
Lone Dragon Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NY, USA Posts: 617 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	It's like when pirana sense blood in water. Monsters sense a moment of weakness and they act on it. Usually, if something doesn't normally argo you, it will attack you if you sit down to rest. I don't think it comes up as much in a PT though. __________________ Rude, but not wrong. ;x Rank 10 Bastok, Rank 10 San d'Oria, Rank 10 Windurst 'Rize of the Zilart' Missions: Completed 'Chains of Promathia' Missions: Completed Treasures of Aht Urhgan Missions: #8 Private First Class Purple: O \| Brown: O \| Black X ;-; Mee Deggi the Punisher: 1/1 (no help, no TH) "I Kill For Fun, Meng!!" - Tony

01-04-2004, 05:57 PM	#8
Somajan Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 330 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I was very impressed with the monster AI in this game than other games. It also seems that they hate anybody who is more powerful than they are so anybody who uses invinciblity, is automatically on their hate list, for the remainder of the battle.

01-05-2004, 10:55 PM	#9
Kyolii Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I suspect that's also the reason why /healing provokes hate from monsters while they're just wandering around. Seems like I get attacked every time I sit down nowadays... __________________ "Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to go to his class" --Choi, Hong Hi (Founder of Tae Kwon-Do)

01-06-2004, 06:05 AM	#10
Lily Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: England Posts: 716 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts My Mood:	Bees, for example, in Giddeus will not aggro you normally, but if you rest nearby, they will. __________________

01-06-2004, 06:45 AM	#11
Shuketsu Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 151 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I've sat down as a level 40 something Dragoon and gotten aggroed by Yagudos in E. Sarta... Kind of funny, watching them rush towards their demise... >_>

01-07-2004, 09:42 PM	#12
Exsol Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 172 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	lol yeah... "Hold on a minute while I finish healing, I will kick your ass shortly" miss miss miss miss miss miss miss "There all full" draw sword BLAM 800 damage. (monster squeel sund) THUD

01-09-2004, 06:34 PM	#13
Somajan Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 330 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Orc squeel sound is very similar to a dog's yelp... So that's why those orcs in la theine attacked me while I was healing. (I was level 40 btw, I miss beta)

01-21-2004, 12:05 AM	#15
Cade Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: FL Posts: 312 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Not just resting, but when your low in health and running around, undead can sense it and they'll aggro you too, levels be damned! __________________ "We're all stupid, so lets go adventure in our ignorance together!" http://www.cursetheyagudo.org/db/db....prof&name=Cade

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