When Partying With JP players, some advice

taintedvision · 11-21-2003, 10:16 AM

While traveling from San d'Oria to Windurst, I died and was reraised by a highlevel JP whitemage. They spoke very little English (np ^^, was a popular term). I asked them to take me to windurst. And I learned there are a lot of DO's and DON'T's of JP partying. First some translations and useful romaji phrases.

PT Join -> Put Seek Party Flag up. (this applied to my situation if there's any error in this let me know).

tasukete -> help me. (?��?j

mate kudasai -> say this if you want them to wait. (�܂Ă_��?j

doko ni imasuka -> where are you? (use your map markers)?@?i�ǂ��ɂ��܂��?B?j

ikimashouka -> shall we go?H?i?s��܂��傤��?B?j

ikimashou -> lets go.?i?s��܂��傤?j

arigatou -> thank you.?i�_�肪�Ƃ�?j

omedetou -> congrats (��߂łƂ�?j- thanks Zenyx

1. It's rather rude to speak English when they don't speak English. If you can manage speak in Japanese, they are usually good at understanding Romaji. Use the auto-translation if need be (the feature actually annoys me). and

2. Don't try and be the leader, unless you are elected PT leader. Know your place in the party.

3. Let them know what you're doing (waiting for friends or whatever).

4. Keep up and don't go off and do your own thing. The language barrier can be quiet daunting. So try to stay together, as all parties should try to do, but some people i know just don't understand.

5. Don't get frustrated.

6. Keep English conversations private, use /tell or /say.

and some generic useful advice.

/cm p
if you're in a party and you're sick of typing /p or pressing ctrl + p, type /cm p.
this means chat mode party. This will allow you to type messages to party with out /p or ctrl + p.

anything i forgot or you wish to add?

John Doe III · 11-21-2003, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by taintedvision
ikimasho -> lets go.

I believe it's "ikimashou" no?

taintedvision · 11-21-2003, 10:29 AM

Thank you

sorry i typed this rather fast missed that.

Zenyx · 11-21-2003, 11:32 AM

Just curious about something. I've seen Arigatou spelled like that, I've also seen it spelled Arigato, is there any difference between the 2, is Arigatou used more often then Arigato?

Thanks

taintedvision · 11-21-2003, 11:44 AM

well laziness is an issue here.
if you write arigato (�?�り�?��?�）or arigatou　(�?�り�?��?��?�), People will generally know what you mean when you write both. But Arigatou is the correct way to spell it.
Jp players might get confused, but they will generally understand what you're trying to say.

Zenyx · 11-21-2003, 11:54 AM

Ah, thanks

Another handy word is Omedetou = Congratulations (don't know the kanji for it)

taintedvision · 11-21-2003, 11:57 AM

I will add that word

thanks.
don't worry about the kanji its to hard :\

Deedlit · 11-21-2003, 12:05 PM

I find all of this very helpful, don't get me wrong, though the statement "It's rather rude to speak English when they don't speak English." kinda miffed me.

How will I be able to understand anything in response? I have yet to find a JP player that bothers to use the autotranslator. There's usually one jp player in the group that knows barely passable english, but even if I can impress them with knowing these phrases, how does this improve the situation if I can't understand a single thing of kanji?

taintedvision · 11-21-2003, 12:09 PM

Well the thing is, Don't go speak english if it can be helped. My friend and I were partied with Jp players and he started speaking to me in party mode in english and the JP players were wondering what i said and it wasn't ment for them to here. So, I gave him a /tell to keep english private if they don't need to know. And they really didn't say anything we didnt need to know.

Deedlit · 11-21-2003, 12:17 PM

But did the jp players try using the auto-translate function? I mean, whenever I group with them, all I see are spamming lines of kanji....all of them ending in ^^.

taintedvision · 11-21-2003, 01:10 PM

no they didn't, i didn't use it either. But they did make an effort to speak english ( they can switch between english and jap).

And sometimes they did speak in japanese i didnt understand but it was infornmation for how the others to act.

exile2k3 · 11-23-2003, 10:03 AM

I find that It doesnt matter what they say as long as it doesnt have these in it

Xile�?�ん My name
暗黒�?�ん My job(dark knight)
連�?� Usually I am PT leader, and they are asking what the renkei is.

The thing that really gets me is when I try to invite someone and they ask questions. I have to say 日本語�?��??�?��?� then they say, Sorry no PT. Even when there are already 4 other JP in besides me >:-(

Kirara · 11-23-2003, 12:27 PM

some how your japanese encoding is beyond me

?Q|?P|?�

what you said is a VERY little portion of "how to pt with japanese" there are many things pt will discuss.... and the communication barriar just won't cut it

Awntawn · 11-23-2003, 12:58 PM

But anyhow... "How to party in general"

If someone is more experienced than you, LISTEN TO THEM. Give them a chance at least :p Usually if a person is rank 4 or 5 or higher and below level 30 means he's levelling another job, so he's done it before and knows what he's talking about. While there are some rare exceptions, most of the time you can learn a lot from them.

exile2k3 · 11-23-2003, 02:34 PM

Quote:

some how your japanese encoding is beyond me

yea, it is wierd, i changed mine so he could see it. you should really change your encoding to Japanese(Shift+JIS)

11-21-2003, 10:16 AM	#1
taintedvision Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	When Partying With JP players, some advice encoding has ben changed to Shift+JIS While traveling from San d'Oria to Windurst, I died and was reraised by a highlevel JP whitemage. They spoke very little English (np ^^, was a popular term). I asked them to take me to windurst. And I learned there are a lot of DO's and DON'T's of JP partying. First some translations and useful romaji phrases. PT Join -> Put Seek Party Flag up. (this applied to my situation if there's any error in this let me know). tasukete -> help me. (?��?j mate kudasai -> say this if you want them to wait. (�܂Ă_��?j doko ni imasuka -> where are you? (use your map markers)?@?i�ǂ��ɂ��܂��?B?j ikimashouka -> shall we go?H?i?s��܂��傤��?B?j ikimashou -> lets go.?i?s��܂��傤?j arigatou -> thank you.?i�_�肪�Ƃ�?j omedetou -> congrats (��߂łƂ�?j- thanks Zenyx 1. It's rather rude to speak English when they don't speak English. If you can manage speak in Japanese, they are usually good at understanding Romaji. Use the auto-translation if need be (the feature actually annoys me). and 2. Don't try and be the leader, unless you are elected PT leader. Know your place in the party. 3. Let them know what you're doing (waiting for friends or whatever). 4. Keep up and don't go off and do your own thing. The language barrier can be quiet daunting. So try to stay together, as all parties should try to do, but some people i know just don't understand. 5. Don't get frustrated. 6. Keep English conversations private, use /tell or /say. and some generic useful advice. /cm p if you're in a party and you're sick of typing /p or pressing ctrl + p, type /cm p. this means chat mode party. This will allow you to type messages to party with out /p or ctrl + p. anything i forgot or you wish to add?

11-23-2003, 10:03 AM	#12
exile2k3 Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 854 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I find that It doesnt matter what they say as long as it doesnt have these in it Xile�?�ん My name 暗黒�?�ん My job(dark knight) 連�?� Usually I am PT leader, and they are asking what the renkei is. The thing that really gets me is when I try to invite someone and they ask questions. I have to say 日本語�?��??�?��?� then they say, Sorry no PT. Even when there are already 4 other JP in besides me >:-( __________________

11-23-2003, 12:27 PM	#13
Kirara Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 576 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	some how your japanese encoding is beyond me ?Q\|?P\|?� what you said is a VERY little portion of "how to pt with japanese" there are many things pt will discuss.... and the communication barriar just won't cut it __________________ omfgbbq ;3

11-23-2003, 12:58 PM	#14
Awntawn Veteran Member Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,081 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	But anyhow... "How to party in general" If someone is more experienced than you, LISTEN TO THEM. Give them a chance at least :p Usually if a person is rank 4 or 5 or higher and below level 30 means he's levelling another job, so he's done it before and knows what he's talking about. While there are some rare exceptions, most of the time you can learn a lot from them. __________________ DRK75 / THF37 / WAR37 / RDM60 / BLM31 / PLD11 ohnoez

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11-21-2003, 10:29 AM	#3
taintedvision Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Thank you sorry i typed this rather fast missed that.

11-21-2003, 11:32 AM	#4
Zenyx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 107 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Just curious about something. I've seen Arigatou spelled like that, I've also seen it spelled Arigato, is there any difference between the 2, is Arigatou used more often then Arigato? Thanks

11-21-2003, 11:44 AM	#5
taintedvision Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	well laziness is an issue here. if you write arigato (�?�り�?��?�）or arigatou　(�?�り�?��?��?�), People will generally know what you mean when you write both. But Arigatou is the correct way to spell it. Jp players might get confused, but they will generally understand what you're trying to say.

11-21-2003, 11:54 AM	#6
Zenyx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 107 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Ah, thanks Another handy word is Omedetou = Congratulations (don't know the kanji for it)

11-21-2003, 11:57 AM	#7
taintedvision Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I will add that word thanks. don't worry about the kanji its to hard :\

11-21-2003, 12:05 PM	#8
Deedlit Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 739 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I find all of this very helpful, don't get me wrong, though the statement "It's rather rude to speak English when they don't speak English." kinda miffed me. How will I be able to understand anything in response? I have yet to find a JP player that bothers to use the autotranslator. There's usually one jp player in the group that knows barely passable english, but even if I can impress them with knowing these phrases, how does this improve the situation if I can't understand a single thing of kanji?

11-21-2003, 12:09 PM	#9
taintedvision Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Well the thing is, Don't go speak english if it can be helped. My friend and I were partied with Jp players and he started speaking to me in party mode in english and the JP players were wondering what i said and it wasn't ment for them to here. So, I gave him a /tell to keep english private if they don't need to know. And they really didn't say anything we didnt need to know.

11-21-2003, 12:17 PM	#10
Deedlit Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 739 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	But did the jp players try using the auto-translate function? I mean, whenever I group with them, all I see are spamming lines of kanji....all of them ending in ^^.

11-21-2003, 01:10 PM	#11
taintedvision Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	no they didn't, i didn't use it either. But they did make an effort to speak english ( they can switch between english and jap). And sometimes they did speak in japanese i didnt understand but it was infornmation for how the others to act.