06-27-2007, 08:11 AM | #1 (permalink) | | Achiever Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 2,626 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 442 Thanked 238x in 139 Posts Gil: 5,385 Bank: 95,000 Total Gil: 100,385 Donate | Ouch. I want to take PLD to 75. It's an awesome job. Right now I'm 40, and I was in Gustav tunnel for a few hours with a pt (used empress band in town to 0/7, recharged, exped, used it again then used Anniversary ring to last usage).
BTW, Refresh, when someone casts it on you = AWESOME! I know why PLDs love RDMs so much now.
Anyway, MNK hit's 41, and what do you know, I kan't keep hate through Raging Fists.
Effing Galkas. Effing MNKs. I heard it only get's worse as you level up..
My gear is pretty basic. @ 40 I upgraded to that VIT helmet and that body piece with 32 Defense. Still rocking the lvl 36VT rings, HQ Arms legs and feet on the Kamp, Drone Earrings, Warrior's Belt, Medieval Collar and the High Breath Mantle. I thought I was the shyt when I got that lvl 39 Enmity+1 sword (name escapes my mind right now.)
But I know PLDs in general have more Enmity than other PT members, and thankfully, as I leveled up, monsters have hit me harder (for once.) and I can now Cure myself for decent hate and be able to keep up a good supply with Auto-RF, Refresh and resting inbetween fights (I love the new Signet).
So maybe this is an isolated problem? I'm sure that without a THF in the PT, keeping hate off the MNK would have been hard.  As it is, I use Flash and Provoke whenever up and with my MP pool I can cure for a while..
Anyway, I just want some feedback. (*glares at Weeeekujata..*)
I intend to get the Brigidiane(sp?) at 45, and upgrade my earrings to the VIT earring (from WAR sub) and the Buckler Earring.
And also, since a few points of Defense are a drop in the bucket, would getting that Gaia's bodypiece (a lil less Def than what I have now, but +4 VIT) be good, or should I just hold out for the Brig @ 45?
And what about that JSE body at lvl 50?
I'm going to look into Taru RSE stuff kause SE gives us Free VIT :-/..
Ah, I just don't wanna suck!!! Help!!!!!!! *Calls the Elite Beat Agents...* Originally Posted by Aksannyi | | I swear some melee would forget their fucking weapon if they didn't have it equipped every time they logged in. | Last edited by WishMaster3K : 06-27-2007 at 09:44 AM. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 09:17 AM | #2 (permalink) | | Lightness Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,401 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 94 Thanked 131x in 79 Posts Gil: 12,629 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 12,629 Donate | Re: Ouch. its just mnks in general. when in kuftal at 41, thats like the upper end of that camp. mnks will be laying the hurt and bats/gobbies are the toughest of mobs in terms of defense either.
i had a pt in mire last night and even at 71, pld can still have trouble keeping hate. especially when i eat meat and get haste.
its not you. Omni@Remora: NIN75 RNG75 MNK75 COR75 BST64 BRD53
♪♫ San d'Oria Complete ♪♫ ZM Complete ♪♫ CoP Complete ♪♫ AM Complete ♪♫ | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 09:27 AM | #3 (permalink) | | Resident Forum Whore Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,313 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11x in 9 Posts Gil: 2,776 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,776 Donate | Re: Ouch. Gustav Tunnel? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 09:33 AM | #4 (permalink) | | Lightness Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,401 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 94 Thanked 131x in 79 Posts Gil: 12,629 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 12,629 Donate | Re: Ouch. gah, right. gustav. cant do kuftal till lower-mid 50s.
i always get those 2 mixed up. Omni@Remora: NIN75 RNG75 MNK75 COR75 BST64 BRD53
♪♫ San d'Oria Complete ♪♫ ZM Complete ♪♫ CoP Complete ♪♫ AM Complete ♪♫ | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 09:43 AM | #5 (permalink) | | Achiever Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 2,626 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 442 Thanked 238x in 139 Posts Gil: 5,385 Bank: 95,000 Total Gil: 100,385 Donate | Re: Ouch. No it was my Typo, I'm a retard >_>;
Well what gear should I be looking for? There isn't really a PLD gear guide.
I mean, for the most part, PLDs wear AF, and if given a chance, Macro in Relic etc etc, and there are MP recovery things that are pretty much required..
But damn, I figured that PLD tanking was easy. And here it seems that it's very friggin hard. I think I'm going to start working on that Aegis. Originally Posted by Aksannyi | | I swear some melee would forget their fucking weapon if they didn't have it equipped every time they logged in. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 09:59 AM | #6 (permalink) | | Resident Forum Whore Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,313 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11x in 9 Posts Gil: 2,776 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,776 Donate | Re: Ouch. MNKs are just a**holes. No tank ever likes PTing with a good MNK, because a good MNK will pull hate no matter who's tanking.
Though then again I guess a good MNK would realize when they have to calm down a minute and let the tank establish more hate.
You can grab some extra enmity where ever possible, but either way there are going to be people that take hate from you.
I would say try to get a Parade Cuirass though, yea. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 10:42 AM | #7 (permalink) | | Lightness Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,401 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 94 Thanked 131x in 79 Posts Gil: 12,629 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 12,629 Donate | Re: Ouch. its hard sometimes, when auto-attacking pulls hate. Omni@Remora: NIN75 RNG75 MNK75 COR75 BST64 BRD53
♪♫ San d'Oria Complete ♪♫ ZM Complete ♪♫ CoP Complete ♪♫ AM Complete ♪♫ | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 10:48 AM | #8 (permalink) | | Senior Veteran Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,618 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 116 Thanked 1,434x in 870 Posts Gil: 2,390 Bank: 333,825 Total Gil: 336,215 Donate | Re: Ouch. Originally Posted by WishMaster3K | | I figured that PLD tanking was easy. | All I have to say is, what made you think it was going to be easy? | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 10:49 AM | #9 (permalink) | | RANK 5 IS BULLSHIT! Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,000 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 1,732 Thanked 1,622x in 1,128 Posts Gil: 3,963 Bank: 873,077 Total Gil: 877,040 Donate | Re: Ouch. | Quote: | | But damn, I figured that PLD tanking was easy. | name one thing in FFXI that is. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 10:52 AM | #10 (permalink) | | Senior Veteran Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,618 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 116 Thanked 1,434x in 870 Posts Gil: 2,390 Bank: 333,825 Total Gil: 336,215 Donate | Re: Ouch. Originally Posted by Feba | | name one thing in FFXI that is. | BLM. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 10:58 AM | #11 (permalink) | | Achiever Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 2,626 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 442 Thanked 238x in 139 Posts Gil: 5,385 Bank: 95,000 Total Gil: 100,385 Donate | Re: Ouch. Well the transition from being a RDM to PLD isn't that severe. Thinking about it, it's probably the most logical and skill swappable change to make from being front line to back line. It's Mob mitigation, from a different direction.
But unlike RDM, a PLD only has 1 main function, and their job depends on whether or not the majority of the party is competent... Originally Posted by Aksannyi | | I swear some melee would forget their fucking weapon if they didn't have it equipped every time they logged in. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 11:26 AM | #12 (permalink) | | No Comment Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 280 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 37x in 24 Posts Gil: 4,099 Bank: 7,824 Total Gil: 11,923 Donate | Re: Ouch. Originally Posted by Mhurron | | BLM. | Wrong, it's easy to be a retarded BLM. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 12:00 PM | #13 (permalink) | | Sticky Paws Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,892 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 237 Thanked 612x in 395 Posts Gil: 15,065 Bank: 134,217 Total Gil: 149,282 Donate | Re: Ouch. Hmm. Sounds like your equipment is fine.
- Consider using Dorado Sushi when the monsters are VT and lower.
- Stack Flash and Provoke at the very beginning of the fight, if you don't already.
- Ask for no WS before 2nd Provoke.
- Make sure the healers don't over-cure; you want a "buffer" on your HP bar so you can drop a full Cure II on yourself at any time.
- Haste. Yeah, yeah, "You PLD's don't need it blah blah blah"... Get it anyway; shortening the recast time for Flash is very helpful.
- Make the overzealous DD's get behind you, so you can Cover easily.  “ I’m in pain, but I’m happy.”
“ It hurts, but I can smile.”
“ That’s why I can tell you from the depths of my being…” | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 12:48 PM | #14 (permalink) | | Achiever Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 2,626 Style: Light - Version 4 My Mood: Thanks: 442 Thanked 238x in 139 Posts Gil: 5,385 Bank: 95,000 Total Gil: 100,385 Donate | Re: Ouch. Oh, well the MNK was the 1st voke, but I'll keep that other stuff in mind. I HATE being over cured. Nothing worst than Me doing a Cure II at the same time as the WHM and mine procs for like 50 some odd health back. -_-
I guess WHMs get a little touchy with that kinda stuff, so I kan't blame them for the enthusiasm. Originally Posted by Aksannyi | | I swear some melee would forget their fucking weapon if they didn't have it equipped every time they logged in. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 06-27-2007, 01:02 PM | #15 (permalink) | | The Architect Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lincoln, UK Posts: 1,109 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 239 Thanked 140x in 100 Posts Gil: 4,917 Bank: 263,512 Total Gil: 268,429 Donate | Re: Ouch. I was wondering why Mnk had first voke? surely that gives him a starter for 10 in the emnity stakes? Also What are you hitting mobs for? The difference between a Galka PLD and a Taru pld (dependant on str and attack stats) can be noticable in the keeping of emnity comparing it to the Mnks attack rate/damage dealing.
As mentioned get the monk behind you and use cover to snatch some emnity and if possible have a thf who can SATA and push extra emnity onto you. Thats been my experience around lvl 38 (though I am a galka PLD)  Brickshouse - The returning Galka. PLD/WAR/MNK/DNC/SAM
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