[Bindie]

heya all

Level 23pld here

I know i know dumb question to worry about at my level. But yesterday i was in a group with 2 PL (yes 2 )...and they insisted letting the pl tank which make sense, but i felt usless with my 0-5 some spikes near 10 dmg hits(usign flame sword).

my friend a 75 pld instructed me to worry more about hp and vit so i have been going that route but i do have beetle ears+1 and battle gloves thats about it.

just wodnering if i should carry some str gear around and maybe invest in a great sword or something.

idk...i suppose it was a mix too of fighitng IT+ and IT++ lol

thans

Bindie
Manthra PLD

[Mog]

Originally Posted by Bindie

heya all

just wodnering if i should carry some str gear around and maybe invest in a great sword or something.

Great sword = nono. Your best combination for paladin is a good sword and a shield. The fact that the pl was tanking has nothing to do with your job. He tanked only because he was healing your party for way more than the mobs liked.

[Ameroth]

When you're solo, then a GS can be fun. Having +STR gear obviously makes it better.

When you're solo!

In a party, 95-99% of the time, you will be tanking. In these situations, anything that increases VIT and DEF is a plus. Maybe a little DEX, but try to emphasize VIT and DEF mostly. The more a mob hits you for, the less hate it has for you, causing you to voke, use mp, etc.

Your 75 friends is right:
+HP gear = good
+VIT gear = good

also

+DEF gear (almost all armor you'll wear obviously) = good
+DEX gear = okay, but not as important
+Enmity gear = good

But str is not something you need to worry much about as a paladin in an exp pt.

[Slip]

PL's + PLD = blergh.

On the one hand they can make for faster xps. On the other they deny you Shield, Evasion and Parrying skillups, as well as real-player-skill in holding hate, casting inbetween mob hits and using TP wisely.

So what to do? If it's a minor thing, one session or two, going with the flow and sucking up the easy xps won't be the end of the world. If it's all the time? Painful as it may be it's probably smarter to bail on the party and get a real one.

In terms of going DD, if you do find the need - eating DD food should help a bit. At 23 there's not a lot of equip you can switch in or out that'll make a large difference, but things like Balance Rings (handy to have for others jobs) can help a little.

Also Sword makes a lot of Skill Chains. Assuming the party isn't brain dead lookup whatever you can do with someone else there and have at it.

[Haggai]

This is why I don't like PLs. They take the role of curing and tanking and people don't learn to do their jobs correctly. See, this PLD is already thinking of trying to be DD when he should be tanking.

This is why we have healers that can't heal, tanks that can't tank, THFs that can't SATA, BLMs that overnuke, and many others.

My advice to you is to stay out of PL'd parties, if you can. Yeah, EXP is fast now, but you're just hurting yourself in the long run. What happens is you get to the mid to higher levels where PLs are not used and you don't know how to hold hate well. Thus, people die and EXP suffers as a result.

This is my opinion, I welcome yours.

[Bindie]

thanks for the help, as for me wanting to be a DD thats not what i was asking just was asking in that scenario.

i agree surprising enough i hate having a PL its nice to get our of dunes and Qufim but its boring as a tank


anyhow thanks guys

[Davitron3000]

Originally Posted by Slip

So what to do? If it's a minor thing, one session or two, going with the flow and sucking up the easy xps won't be the end of the world. If it's all the time? Painful as it may be it's probably smarter to bail on the party and get a real one.

I would go with this advice. I wouldn't worry about a DD set just yet. Also, I wouldn't worry too much about your hp just yet either.

[Celeal]

When a "traditional" exp. party invite a PLD, the party expect PLD to tank, not dealing damage.

If your PLD is trying to tank like a WAR/MNK at low level --- which in theory, tanking while dealing damage at the same time, then your PLD should gear like a WAR/MNK tank and eat the proper food. However, PLD/WAR is not a WAR/MNK.

[pearlsea]

If you like ballista and being able to be useful in more various roles then just tanking then i would say getting some DD gear would be a good idea, but its not nessary to be a good pld and just having a set of tanking gear is enough. Also never stray away from the standerd sword and shield in a party, its just realy useful for a paladin.

[Ameroth]

Also never stray away from the standard sword and shield in a party, its just really useful for a paladin.

Agreed. I usually have my sword/shield skills capped before I hit the next level. That's just good practice.

[Tsingtao]

What the guys say is true, don't worry about DD for now concentrate of DEF and VIT. Once you pass 60 you will start to look at DD and by the time your in the 70s you'll be wearing more DD than tank gear for xp.

[FranckKnight]

Its not that PLDs can't DD at all, problem is their abilities aren't made for it.

Take for example a Monk. Gets kick attacks, Boost... DRK gets Soul Eater... War get Warcry, Berserk and Double Attack, Thief gets Sneak Attack...

PLD gets :
Shield Bash : uhm yeah, great damage there
Rampart : More defense
Sentinel : More defense
Cover : Take hits for someone else

Warrior sub gives them Warcry and Berserk, but yeah, that's it.

You shouldn't go out of your way to change what task you're GOOD at. Stay defense. But you can change small things to increase a bit of damage, just not your whole set. Get yourself some cheap Str rings for example. Don't use Defender. Use some DD food. Cheap earrings to trade evasion for accuracy or something. Just use those when you're stuck with the PL.

Keep your Sword either way, unless its capped. You could always skillup something else if it doesn't bother the team. An unskilled weapon won't hit often nor will do much damage, but it can't really be worse than doing little damage as you described, can it?

Just don't start thinking you're a DD either way. We had the pleasure of partying with a PLD that was carrying no shield and a great sword the other day, in Garlaige (read level 32-35). She also said she usually has a spear, so WTF.

[Shihei]

Originally Posted by Bindie

heya all

Level 23pld here

I know i know dumb question to worry about at my level. But yesterday i was in a group with 2 PL (yes 2 )...and they insisted letting the pl tank which make sense, but i felt usless with my 0-5 some spikes near 10 dmg hits(usign flame sword).

my friend a 75 pld instructed me to worry more about hp and vit so i have been going that route but i do have beetle ears+1 and battle gloves thats about it.

just wodnering if i should carry some str gear around and maybe invest in a great sword or something.

idk...i suppose it was a mix too of fighitng IT+ and IT++ lol

thans

Bindie
Manthra PLD

Paladins were meant for defense, though that doesn't mean they can't DD...they just aren't as effective IMO. At your level you don't really need to worry about it. Later on 35-40+ more so leven later, it may be wise to well...not necessarily bring a whole DD set, but bring some attack/strength+ gear to macro in for your WS. You are a paladin, so its hard to do the same dmg as a normal melee DD, if your using even the same DD gear they are, but you can improve your damage slightly. However, obviously you will be tanking basically 95% of the time in your party. So the stats you want are Def-->Vit-->Enmity/HP. There are certain level ranges where Def is more important than Vit and where Vit is more important then Def. (If you want to know this, then just reply) HP is important, but more so for end-game tanking.

[Lmnop]

Paladins built for defense means they can stand to put on more DD stuff while tanking and not take much of a hit (haha pun) to their damage taken.

You won't outDD a DD. Don't worry about too much DD stuff. just some rings, earrings, spike necklace will do. High damage sword = win. Put these pieces on as you feel comfortable doing so.

PLs are bad.

[Loial]

It shouldn't take 75 levels to "learn" how to play PLD. However, your first time to 75, you should indeed try to stay away from a PL. Just general party dynamics need to be learned. And if you get a PL, you might start to feel dependant on a PL.