[Tirocupidus]

Awesome job, Armando. Thanks!

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[Tevabond]

wow so whats the final decision size 3 or 4 better?

[Lmnop]

Originally Posted by Armando

So, the order of efficiency is Size 3 > Size 4 > Size 2 > Size 1.

Kinda saddening, but it seems that's how it is.

[Davitron3000]

What is saddening about that order? I am glad that my Keonig Shield has the best
stats (in my opinion) and is a size 3

[Tevabond]

but you would think that the larger size would work better

[Enghorr]

I always love kite shields (size3) Koenig favorite one, the thing with koenig shield it has high proc rate like a smaller shield but take less dmg like size 3 or 4 combine. It makes sense that 3 and 4 are best, most mages cannot wear size 3 or 4 except rdm with ice shield, and acheron. Therefore SE meant to give tanks the advantage of using the best tanking shields in game IMO

[Lmnop]

yea, my only complaint is that (and this is purely from an aesthetic point of view, so no Koenig shield +stats in my mind) size 4s, as basically paladin-specific shields, should be their forte. kinda like... warriors can use polearms but only Dragoons can equip the bad ass lances.

From a game play perspective, of course, I'm glad that they didn't decide to make type 3s obsolete (such as koenig) and make all the pallies sell their favorite shields just for the shield that brings them closer to ninja-dom.

[Aeni]

Originally Posted by Enghorr

I always love kite shields (size3) Koenig favorite one, the thing with koenig shield it has high proc rate like a smaller shield but take less dmg like size 3 or 4 combine. It makes sense that 3 and 4 are best, most mages cannot wear size 3 or 4 except rdm with ice shield, and acheron. Therefore SE meant to give tanks the advantage of using the best tanking shields in game IMO

I think, for the sake of clarity and consistency, no mage job class should be able to equip a shield size 3 or more. Off the top of my head, these are the only job classes that should be able to use a shield size 3:

WAR
DRK
PLD
BST <- They can equip Hauberk, etc., so why not? Shield might benefit them as well.

I don't agree that a RDM should be able to wield a shield size that's large enough to weigh them down. If they can't wear plate/mail armor, then wtf? Heavier/larger shields shouldn't be wielded either. Again, going for consistency and something that makes effing sense.

Size 4 should be reserved for PLDs onry. In a sense, make it so that it ties closely with their stats - the closer to cap on current levels, the better proc rates. This will separate part time PLDs from those dedicated to their job and roles.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Reading back through old posts about PLD and found this about shield size and blocking.

This information was wonderful for clairfying the situation regarding shields.

My only question is..... why isn't this sticky?

Mods, plz sticky this post plz! TY sirs.

Oh and on a side note, WHM can use size 3 shield, isn't that crazy?

[Taskmage]

Done.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Thank you noble sirs. I /bow m(_ _)m unto thee.

[IfritnoItazura]

Some JP info on shields types: 盾タイプ

I haven't researched on its source of validity. Picking out a few bits of interest to translate:

タイプ1：バックラー系
タイプ2：ラウンドシールド系
タイプ3：ヒーターシールド系
タイプ4：タワーシールド系
タイプ5：イージス

Just nomenclature:

Type 1: Buckler
Type 2: Round Shield
Type 3: Heater Shield
Type 4: Tower Shield
Type 5: Aegis

タイプ1＝35％
タイプ2＝38％
タイプ3＝63％
タイプ4＝可変（例えば畳楯で90％, タワーシールドで80％）

Damage cut percentages:

Type 1: 35%
Type 2: 38%
Type 3: 63%
Type 4: Shield specific. (e.g. Tamami Shield is 90%, Tower Shield is 80%.)

Lastly,

十分に盾スキルの高いナイトがタイ� �３(騎士盾)を装備した場合、平均的� �『被物理ダメージの軽減率』は、「� ��よ」相手で30％程度であったとされ� ��。

I want to know what this means, but I am unsure if it translate to something like:

Paladin with high Shield Skill using type 3 ("knight shield") on average reduce damage taken from "Tough" opponent by 30%.

Or, if it translate to:

Paladin with high Shield Skill using type 3 ("knight shield") on average reduce damage taken from "Tough" opponent to 30%.

Can someone who actually read Japanese help me out?

Edit:

I don't know why, but some Japanese writing which looks perfectly fine when editing gets mangled on screen once I hit "Save". Urg.

[Armando]

Interesting info. As for the last bit, it probably means "by." I highly doubt the amount reduced per block is affected by shield skill, nor that you can reduce the overall damage you take down to 30% thanks to shielding. On the other hand, reducing average/overall damage by 30% is quite sensible, since my own tests showed approximately a 25-26% cut in damage at Lv.53-55 on DC-T mobs.

I'd like to repeat these tests one of these days, when I get all my levelling out of the way.

[Yellow Mage]

Originally Posted by Aeni

I don't agree that a RDM should be able to wield a shield size that's large enough to weigh them down. If they can't wear plate/mail armor, then wtf? Heavier/larger shields shouldn't be wielded either. Again, going for consistency and something that makes effing sense.

I know this was a long time ago, and that you aren't exactly seen around here a lot anymore, but I have to say that the thinking behind this is a bit backwards. As in, we can wear Kite Shields, so why not Mail Armor?

As for consistency . . . do I really have to go there?

In case I do . . .

Originally Posted by S-E

These fighter-mages can utilize both black and white magic, as well as the arts of the sword.

Likewise, "making effing sense" is a bit subjective in this case. For example, this portion of your post didn't make effing sense to me.

/vent over

[Raydeus]

RDM should have much higher Parrying skill, at least C+.

It makes sense for RDM not to be able to use large shields, but having such a low parrying skill is stupid.

I mean come on, Rapiers and Duelist with D skill?