Yonin and Innin

Electricity Gone Human · 07-21-2009, 12:08 PM

With the July 20th Update passed, This is for those who have been playing around with this new set of Job Abilities for Ninja. Here's what I've observed both in-game and browsing on several forums:

Yonin
- Enmity Increase seems to be approximately +30
- Evasion Increase looks to be pretty noticeable, especially soloing without Signet bonus on Easy Prey
- Accuracy Decrease said to be -30
- Enemy Critical Hit Rate Reduction? Assuming as much as Innin's Critical Hit Rate Increase for now
- Ninja Tool Expertise reported to activate 100% [July 22nd: This is now a currently known issue]

Innin
- Accuracy Increase sounds like +30, judging from Yonin ACC Decrease
- Critical Hit Rate Bonus is +30%. Pretty big, this coming from a Senju/Perdu user
- Elemental Ninjutsu MAB looks to be 30%: small tests in this post with Doton
- Enmity decrease is -10

30 seems to be the general number for the increases and decreases. Feel free to share more observations.

Armando · 07-21-2009, 12:12 PM

That's pretty goddamned epic.

Takelli · 07-21-2009, 12:21 PM

Those do look fairly good. I was just looking on the wiki and says that with Yonnin, the Tools expertise is 100%... Thats gonna save people tons of money. Maybe it will help people actually use more of the nins tools, and help hold hate better.

ShepardG · 07-21-2009, 12:45 PM

Those are pretty amazing, I guess we should have realized it would pan out that well. I mean,

I pretty much don't do shit; 'namis, salvage, nyzul, merit, etc. without composure up.

Karinya · 07-21-2009, 03:11 PM

100%? Does that mean you don't use tools at all?

+30 Enmity, +30% crit and +30% MAB are all ridiculously huge bonuses. Wow.

Takelli · 07-21-2009, 03:14 PM

That is what I am thinking. no tools at all. lol

hexx · 07-21-2009, 03:14 PM

Yep, tested this out last night in Nyzul. 100% Ninja Tool Exprt. proc rate. I kept Yonin up and didn't spend a SINGLE tool whether it was utsu, enfeebles, or nuking tools. Switched to Innin and my damage started going through the roof as well. Loved it =D

Grizzlebeard · 07-21-2009, 03:15 PM

According to some posts on Alla the GMs are saying the 100% is unintentional. However, this maintenance didn't fix the issue, rather the vendor buying rate for curry buns so expect another "emergency" maintenance tomorrow.

Tokitung · 07-21-2009, 05:55 PM

That's why I'm spam leveling Nin now >.> 64 and climbing! Probably already saved close to 100k in tools with Yonin.

Electricity Gone Human · 07-22-2009, 12:15 PM

Looks like SE's on top of Yonin's NTE.

Malacite · 07-22-2009, 01:19 PM

Quick, someone NIN/BLM with HQ staves and Innin up with San spells >.>b

EDIT: Edited for grammatical error

Karinya · 07-22-2009, 03:00 PM

^^ I think you mean NIN/BLM, since BLM/NIN would get neither San spells, nor Innin. But if you're already getting Innin MAB, is BLM's MAB going to add that much? (Or even stack at all?)

Yes, 100% ninja tool expertise Yonin is confirmed as a bug. But given the huge sizes of the other benefits they might still fix it to something like 1/3, which would be pretty impressive.

Aksannyi · 07-22-2009, 03:01 PM

Haha, all the people spamming the shit out of leveling NIN while they can do it cheaply. I rode that wave on the initial 2h update for DRK, when it was overpowered for like two days. I don't blame people for taking advantage.

ShadowHolyFlyingDragon · 07-24-2009, 06:36 AM

Poor THF. His only meaning in life has now been flushed down the toilet. And poor PLD, he will now be pushed to the back of the line. It's 2004-6 all over again. lollerskates

I'd still invite both jobs to my parties, but I'm just wondering about the "others."

Takelli · 07-24-2009, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowHolyFlyingDragon

Poor THF. His only meaning in life has now been flushed down the toilet. And poor PLD, he will now be pushed to the back of the line. It's 2004-6 all over again. lollerskates

I'd still invite both jobs to my parties, but I'm just wondering about the "others."

This wont stop me from leveling Drk, and Rdm, and Thf. Hell, I make my own parties out of what ever jobs that will works. Screw what others will want to say. A Dnc cant tank? A Blu cant heal? Eff them. They work just fine when I do it in my own parties.

But I don't care what anyone will say about this though. Paladin still THE best tank in game no matter what anyone says.

Ninja was just made a better "tank" and a better "DD". They where really neither or until this update. Atleast with this update, you can have both with a nin! Hell. I'd invite both a nin and Pld. Nin to DD until the Pld is out of Mp, or is taking to many hard hits, then the nin tanks for a bit till the Pld has recovered.

07-21-2009, 12:08 PM	#1
Electricity Gone Human Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 224 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 109 Thanked 39x in 28 Posts My Mood:	Yonin and Innin With the July 20th Update passed, This is for those who have been playing around with this new set of Job Abilities for Ninja. Here's what I've observed both in-game and browsing on several forums: Yonin - Enmity Increase seems to be approximately +30 - Evasion Increase looks to be pretty noticeable, especially soloing without Signet bonus on Easy Prey - Accuracy Decrease said to be -30 - Enemy Critical Hit Rate Reduction? Assuming as much as Innin's Critical Hit Rate Increase for now - Ninja Tool Expertise reported to activate 100% [July 22nd: This is now a currently known issue] Innin - Accuracy Increase sounds like +30, judging from Yonin ACC Decrease - Critical Hit Rate Bonus is +30%. Pretty big, this coming from a Senju/Perdu user - Elemental Ninjutsu MAB looks to be 30%: small tests in this post with Doton - Enmity decrease is -10 30 seems to be the general number for the increases and decreases. Feel free to share more observations. __________________ Last edited by Electricity Gone Human; 07-22-2009 at 12:12 PM.

07-21-2009, 12:12 PM	#2
Armando 2300 AD is pretty screwed up Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 5,110 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 707 Thanked 1,631x in 906 Posts My Mood:	Re: Yonin and Innin That's pretty goddamned epic. __________________

07-21-2009, 12:45 PM	#4
ShepardG Is not wearing pants! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida ^^ Posts: 440 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 128 Thanked 82x in 49 Posts	Re: Yonin and Innin Those are pretty amazing, I guess we should have realized it would pan out that well. I mean, I pretty much don't do shit; 'namis, salvage, nyzul, merit, etc. without composure up.

07-21-2009, 03:11 PM	#5
Karinya Veteran Member Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,074 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 81 Thanked 435x in 236 Posts	Re: Yonin and Innin 100%? Does that mean you don't use tools at all? +30 Enmity, +30% crit and +30% MAB are all ridiculously huge bonuses. Wow. __________________ Defeated: Maat, Divine Might, Fenrir, Kirin, Cactrot Rapido, Xolotl, Diabolos Prime, Kurrea, 9/10 Dynamis Bosses (missing Tav), Promathia, Proto-Ultima, Proto-Omega, 4 Jailers, Apocalypse Nigh, 6/6 Nyzul Bosses RDM75, PLD75, DRG75, COR75, SCH61 Windurst Rank 10, Bastok Rank 10, San D'Oria Rank 9, ZMs & PMs Complete, AUMs Complete, Captain, Nyzul Floor 100 (5 Weapons, 3 WS), Moonlight Medal, WotG Mission 15, 1/3 Addons Complete

07-21-2009, 03:15 PM	#8
Grizzlebeard Play toy Brass Ribbon of Service Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,220 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 156 Thanked 180x in 89 Posts My Mood:	Re: Yonin and Innin According to some posts on Alla the GMs are saying the 100% is unintentional. However, this maintenance didn't fix the issue, rather the vendor buying rate for curry buns so expect another "emergency" maintenance tomorrow.

07-21-2009, 05:55 PM	#9
Tokitung Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 87 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5x in 5 Posts	Re: Yonin and Innin That's why I'm spam leveling Nin now >.> 64 and climbing! Probably already saved close to 100k in tools with Yonin.

07-22-2009, 12:15 PM	#10
Electricity Gone Human Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 224 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 109 Thanked 39x in 28 Posts My Mood:	Re: Yonin and Innin Looks like SE's on top of Yonin's NTE. __________________

07-22-2009, 01:19 PM	#11
Malacite Crime Solving Rank 11 Paladin! Steelknight Emblem Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 5,840 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 1,375 Thanked 525x in 366 Posts My Mood:	Re: Yonin and Innin Quick, someone NIN/BLM with HQ staves and Innin up with San spells >.>b EDIT: Edited for grammatical error __________________ My Dream Samurai Gear Last edited by Malacite; 07-24-2009 at 10:55 AM.

07-22-2009, 03:00 PM	#12
Karinya Veteran Member Allied Ribbon of Glory Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,074 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 81 Thanked 435x in 236 Posts	Re: Yonin and Innin ^^ I think you mean NIN/BLM, since BLM/NIN would get neither San spells, nor Innin. But if you're already getting Innin MAB, is BLM's MAB going to add that much? (Or even stack at all?) Yes, 100% ninja tool expertise Yonin is confirmed as a bug. But given the huge sizes of the other benefits they might still fix it to something like 1/3, which would be pretty impressive. __________________ Defeated: Maat, Divine Might, Fenrir, Kirin, Cactrot Rapido, Xolotl, Diabolos Prime, Kurrea, 9/10 Dynamis Bosses (missing Tav), Promathia, Proto-Ultima, Proto-Omega, 4 Jailers, Apocalypse Nigh, 6/6 Nyzul Bosses RDM75, PLD75, DRG75, COR75, SCH61 Windurst Rank 10, Bastok Rank 10, San D'Oria Rank 9, ZMs & PMs Complete, AUMs Complete, Captain, Nyzul Floor 100 (5 Weapons, 3 WS), Moonlight Medal, WotG Mission 15, 1/3 Addons Complete

07-24-2009, 06:36 AM	#14
ShadowHolyFlyingDragon The Leveling Machine Join Date: May 2009 Location: Club RPG Posts: 178 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 13 Thanked 9x in 8 Posts My Mood:	Re: Yonin and Innin Poor THF. His only meaning in life has now been flushed down the toilet. And poor PLD, he will now be pushed to the back of the line. It's 2004-6 all over again. lollerskates I'd still invite both jobs to my parties, but I'm just wondering about the "others." __________________ °·-._.-·°¤.-º°`¨·¥\|Kageshinhiryu\|¥·¨`°º-.¤°·-._.-·°

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