[aegina]

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

NINs can DD?

Haven't you heard? Ninjas are the BEST DD! Second only to Paladin! Remember Cecil from FF4?

White Mage is the number 3 Damage Dealer. Nothing beats Holy!

[Szkol]

Originally Posted by aegina

Haven't you heard? Ninjas are the BEST DD!

Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it isn't possible-

NIN as DD is something I've been wanting to try for a long time, but its prohibitively expensive. If there's anyone willing to sponsor my testing I'd be happy to do all the work.

If I'm not mistaken I think someone on these boards did testing as PLD/RDM, which turned out some surprising results.

Not to mention the fact that I KNOW i've read tons of threads where people will vouch for the big damage that shurikens can do.

Sure it sounds ludicrous- but other than the expense, is there any reason it can't work?

[TheGrandMom]

The biggest factor is the mind set of the majority of players. Ninja is a tank to them and there are plenty of other dd's so they don't think that ninja needs to be one. Now to get around that, you surround yourself with great lsmates that will support you by making parties with you. It will be an uphill expensive battle there is no doubt but others HAVE done it.

[Malacite]

Originally Posted by TheGrandMom

The biggest factor is the cost and low supply of shuriken

ftfy

[Yellow Mage]

Originally Posted by Szkol

but other than the expense, is there any reason it can't work?

Nope. The prohibitively expensive part is really the entire thing: if you aren't spending boatloads of gil, you're not doing any real damage on Ninja.

Of course, if you do have boatloads of gil to ship off, Ninja's damage potential really does work as advertized, as far as I've heard . . . O.O

[Neomage]

And by boatloads of gil, we mean boatloads of gil. Most jobs cry when they break their wallets to buy a hauby or scorpion harness. As a DD Ninja, you would blow through 20 times that by the time you hit Lv50, and still have to buy the Scorpion Harness.

[TheGrandMom]

Originally Posted by Malacite

ftfy

Hey Mal, reading comprehension is a good thing:

Originally Posted by Szkol

Sure it sounds ludicrous- but other than the expense, is there any reason it can't work?

He knows the expense so my reply was spot on. The mind set of the community is the other huge hurdle that he'll run into.

[Malacite]

Originally Posted by TheGrandMom

He knows the expense so my reply was spot on. The mind set of the community is the other huge hurdle that he'll run into.

Perhaps, and the ironic thing is that he'd end up tanking anyway because of the enmity shuriken spam would generate (they have the highest DPS of any weapon after all)

[Szkol]

Originally Posted by Malacite

Perhaps, and the ironic thing is that he'd end up tanking anyway because of the enmity shuriken spam would generate (they have the highest DPS of any weapon after all)

That was kind of what I had in mind when I was thinking of this- this way your NIN tank isn't just a punching bag- all that damage makes him a decent DD, sure, but it's also functions as another way for the tank to keep hate on himself instead of others.

I guess I feel that while tanks do have a very specific primary duty to keep hate and take hits so others dont have to, other DDs in the party will always be limited by the total amount of hate your tank has. I think that in almost every situation if your tank CAN add more hate, they SHOULD add more hate, because it will allow the DDs to do more damage. Just my $0.02 - and maybe I'm way off- but it makes sense to me.

[TheGrandMom]

Well, the rarity of the really good surikens is one of the reasons why you don't see many tank nins using them, not to mention the expense. It's cheaper to cast ninjitsu than it is to throw them. There are a few tank nins that use them but its just not the norm. But trying to get parties as a pure DD will often just get you a lot of grief instead of interest.

[Karinya]

Originally Posted by Szkol

I guess I feel that while tanks do have a very specific primary duty to keep hate and take hits so others dont have to, other DDs in the party will always be limited by the total amount of hate your tank has. I think that in almost every situation if your tank CAN add more hate, they SHOULD add more hate, because it will allow the DDs to do more damage.

In theory I agree, but this assumes your DDs are holding back on their damage in order to avoid taking hate off the tank, which in turn assumes you have fallen through a time warp into about 2004.

[Mhurron]

Originally Posted by Szkol

Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it isn't possible

The game is 6~7 years old now. Unless it is a new mob or job (NIN isn't), it's been tried.

You haven't thought of anything new and there is a reason the idea didn't take off and expense is only part of it. NIN is a better tank then DD.They can (and should) put out damage while tanking, but other jobs have an easy time surpassing NIN's DD ability.

[ShepardG]

Gawainnnn.....n,

See all these people trying to tell you things about stuff that does stuff and things!

They didn't even answer your question! They turned this into a NIN damage dealing debate! Or as I like to call it a NINDDD.

Ninja's need a new job ability that let's them throw any item in the game at any target. Just like in previous FF's. You could smash a Hi-Pot over your DD's heads and it would draw hate like a cureIV! You could bean a mamool in the eye's with a kazham pepper and it would be like casting Burn on them. You could get a Kikoku and throw it in PW's or AV's face and kill them!

Somebody call SE and make it happen.

[Durahansolo]

Originally Posted by ShepardG

Gawainnnn.....n,

See all these people trying to tell you things about stuff that does stuff and things!

They didn't even answer your question! They turned this into a NIN damage dealing debate! Or as I like to call it a NINDDD.

Ninja's need a new job ability that let's them throw any item in the game at any target. Just like in previous FF's. You could smash a Hi-Pot over your DD's heads and it would draw hate like a cureIV! You could bean a mamool in the eye's with a kazham pepper and it would be like casting Burn on them. You could get a Kikoku and throw it in PW's or AV's face and kill them!

Somebody call SE and make it happen.

It'd take too much programming to decipher which item would do what form of damage or status effect to each mob. If Ninja wasn't effected by cost before they were to add this update, then it would definently be afterwards. On a sidenote it would probably cause a spike in the sale of certain items at the AH.

I say we should all just get Rock Candy (Super Mario RPG Reference.)

[ShepardG]

*ShepardG, NIN/PUP, picks up Durahansolo and throw's him/her at a programmer*


I love rock candy, but I have not played SM-RPG