05-05-2008, 02:31 PM | #1 (permalink) | | FFXI Addict Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 8 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,589 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,589 Donate | Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. Though opinions are more than welcome, I'm mainly looking for screenshots of damage done by certain shuriken with certain builds. I've been interested in ploughing some gil into these for a long time, and though atm I don't have the af+1 hands or racc gear in excess to make it work, I have yet to cap throwing. ._.
I just find it shocking that NIN's 'main' A- trait has almost no use or accessibility, despite having half of its AF support it.
If you yourself have dabbled in shuriken in exp/ballista/solo, could you perhaps post a screenshot or two of the damage? I'm hopeful that this will be well worth the skilling up, 15k or so in ingredients per synth and finding the right smithing level in whitegate to make em. Thanks!
P.S Any shots of Sange would do wonderfully, also. I'm also interested in that field of throwing. Last edited by Shamanking : 05-05-2008 at 02:46 PM. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-05-2008, 02:59 PM | #2 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,614 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 779 Thanked 335x in 235 Posts Gil: 113,447 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 113,447 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. I don't have any screens, but I can tell you that even RNG's couldn't touch my damage when I did NIN 18-20 in the dunes throwing Shuriken. They do a lot of damage very fast but as we all know are ridiculously expensive.
Let's do a simple comparison;
For Shuriken: Item: Shuriken - Final Fantasy XI - somepage.com
A whopping 9.08 DPS!
Now, a Power Bow +1 with Fang Arrows has 13.55 DPS (if I'm adding this right, I don't think I did) but when you also factor in say a pair of Suzume which has a DPS of 3.47 (not sure how DW factors in there) it adds up to some pretty sick DoT. Last edited by Malacite : 05-05-2008 at 03:05 PM. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-05-2008, 03:08 PM | #3 (permalink) | | Alone Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 3,145 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 251 Thanked 295x in 206 Posts Gil: 18,524 Bank: 21,106 Total Gil: 39,630 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. Surikens are great at the lower levels if you don't have to worry about gil. The thing is once you get to the higher levels there is no good surikens that are easy to come by or stack high enough. Sange is mildly useless, seeing again it is expensive to stack up a shit load of good surikens | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-05-2008, 03:44 PM | #4 (permalink) | | FFXI Addict Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 8 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,589 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,589 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. Thanks. I've got a friend who can synth me Manji's, and is at the cap. I just need to provide the fairly expensive materials, all this of course once I've capped throwing. :$
Fuma was an option...for about 2 seconds. I mean cmon, ranged weapons in stacks of 12? What the hell was SE thinking when they made this job, its skills and AF? 
There is a windmill in my beard. Your argument is invalid. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-05-2008, 04:19 PM | #5 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,614 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 779 Thanked 335x in 235 Posts Gil: 113,447 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 113,447 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. Shuriken have always been the most damaging and most expensive weapons in the past FF games. The biggest difference though is that in FF3-6 you can actually make the gil needed to buy them in a relatively short amount of time (well not so much 3; they were INSANELY expensive in 3 but well worth it)
My biggest complaints with NIN have always been the costs. RNG's not so bad, since you can either do Woodworking and be able to make all your bolts and arrows, or do alchemy for all your bullets.
NIN on the other hand is retarded by comparison. You need very high smithing to get any sort of decent return from synthing shuriken, and the materials are generally grossly more expensive than what it takes to make Silver Bullets or even Kaburra Arrows. Never mind the rate at which NIN can blow through these.
And then you have each and every tool under all the different crafts...
What the hell was wrong with sticking them all under alchemy? Seriously, it would have made a lot more sense and made it easier to play around with NIN's other abilities more freely.  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-05-2008, 07:33 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,861 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 5 Thanked 27x in 21 Posts Gil: 18,566 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 18,566 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. When I farm I use Shurikens to pull mobs for fun. They usually land anywhere from 90-110. About the same as my katana would do to the mobs. I never really use them for exp during my sessions. I guess I could try on an exp mobs butim willing to bet around the same as my weapon would.
The problem with Ninja is that they have a high level throwing. But nothing to to take advantage of. We have 5 different Shuriken The best is probably the Fuma Shuriken, but it only stacks for 12 and costd 100k. An thats if a stack ever sold. Which hasnt happened in over a year. We can go down the line but its all the same.
High level craft, with a just as high loss in revenue. Add in lack of sales and lack of use. You just wont find much of them being sold. I wish merchants sold them for cheap. It would make for another form of entertainment. But thats only a dream. Right now all but the regular Shuriken are sold for ridiculous prices. 
Nin75, Bst75. Drk61, War61, Rdm40, All other jobs are 37. All 3 starting city missions completed. All Zilart missions completed. All CoP missions completed. TouA completed. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-05-2008, 09:19 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,614 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 779 Thanked 335x in 235 Posts Gil: 113,447 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 113,447 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. You can usually get a stack of Shuriken from the Tenshodo shops, sometimes a little more if no one bought any the day before for around 45-54 gil each. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2008, 12:33 AM | #8 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 960 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 7 Thanked 51x in 29 Posts Gil: 382 Bank: 13,484 Total Gil: 13,865 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. In my opinion some of the elemental jutsu should have been based on Throwing skill since all ninjutsu involve the use (throwing) of a tool at an enemy to damage them. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2008, 05:06 AM | #9 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 44 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 2 Thanked 6x in 3 Posts Gil: 10,916 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 10,916 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. Originally Posted by Feenicks | | In my opinion some of the elemental jutsu should have been based on Throwing skill since all ninjutsu involve the use (throwing) of a tool at an enemy to damage them. | i've always thought this too. it could be like how bards songs use both singing + instrument skill together when playing a song. a lot/all of the elemental and debuff ninjutsu could easily use throwing + ninjutsu skills. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 05-06-2008, 08:12 AM | #10 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,614 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 779 Thanked 335x in 235 Posts Gil: 113,447 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 113,447 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. Well, in past FF's Ninjas could throw "skills" to cast different elemental attacks and abilities. They kept it tool based this time, but was kinda weird that they got changed to magic as opposed to something you throw.
I forget if Edge used MP or not, but in 3 5 and 6 you used the Throw command to use both shuriken and ninjutsu (excluding Ninja's other special command in FF5 to increase evasion, which btw is what Utsusemi/Blink originally did, not shadows) | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-30-2008, 08:43 PM | #11 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 10 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 978 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 978 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. Generally speaking, a stack of the level 18 Shuriken will last you for quite a few levels, as they are the highest(?) DPS throwing weapon for aaaaaaaaages. So if your throwing skill is high enough, you can spam these to keep hate and deal decent damage in a party.
also, are you sure it just increased evasion in FF5? I remember the blink spell having 2-3 shadow-versions of the character when you used the ability, which were then used up if you got attacked | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-30-2008, 10:32 PM | #12 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,614 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 779 Thanked 335x in 235 Posts Gil: 113,447 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 113,447 Donate | Re: Looking for Ninja with experience in Shuriken use. Oh maybe. I know it's original forms in FF 1 and 2 were just evasion (I forget if it existed in 3)
yay necro post. And if you can get them at a reasonable rate, Manji (lv 48?) shuriken are amazing DPS. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:21 AM. | | |