[Shamanking]

Though opinions are more than welcome, I'm mainly looking for screenshots of damage done by certain shuriken with certain builds. I've been interested in ploughing some gil into these for a long time, and though atm I don't have the af+1 hands or racc gear in excess to make it work, I have yet to cap throwing. ._.

I just find it shocking that NIN's 'main' A- trait has almost no use or accessibility, despite having half of its AF support it.

If you yourself have dabbled in shuriken in exp/ballista/solo, could you perhaps post a screenshot or two of the damage? I'm hopeful that this will be well worth the skilling up, 15k or so in ingredients per synth and finding the right smithing level in whitegate to make em. Thanks!

P.S Any shots of Sange would do wonderfully, also. I'm also interested in that field of throwing.

[Malacite]

I don't have any screens, but I can tell you that even RNG's couldn't touch my damage when I did NIN 18-20 in the dunes throwing Shuriken. They do a lot of damage very fast but as we all know are ridiculously expensive.


Let's do a simple comparison;

For Shuriken: Item: Shuriken - Final Fantasy XI - somepage.com

A whopping 9.08 DPS!


Now, a Power Bow +1 with Fang Arrows has 13.55 DPS (if I'm adding this right, I don't think I did) but when you also factor in say a pair of Suzume which has a DPS of 3.47 (not sure how DW factors in there) it adds up to some pretty sick DoT.

[Sevv]

Surikens are great at the lower levels if you don't have to worry about gil. The thing is once you get to the higher levels there is no good surikens that are easy to come by or stack high enough. Sange is mildly useless, seeing again it is expensive to stack up a shit load of good surikens

[Shamanking]

Thanks. I've got a friend who can synth me Manji's, and is at the cap. I just need to provide the fairly expensive materials, all this of course once I've capped throwing. :$

Fuma was an option...for about 2 seconds. I mean cmon, ranged weapons in stacks of 12? What the hell was SE thinking when they made this job, its skills and AF?

[Malacite]

Shuriken have always been the most damaging and most expensive weapons in the past FF games. The biggest difference though is that in FF3-6 you can actually make the gil needed to buy them in a relatively short amount of time (well not so much 3; they were INSANELY expensive in 3 but well worth it)

My biggest complaints with NIN have always been the costs. RNG's not so bad, since you can either do Woodworking and be able to make all your bolts and arrows, or do alchemy for all your bullets.

NIN on the other hand is retarded by comparison. You need very high smithing to get any sort of decent return from synthing shuriken, and the materials are generally grossly more expensive than what it takes to make Silver Bullets or even Kaburra Arrows. Never mind the rate at which NIN can blow through these.

And then you have each and every tool under all the different crafts...

What the hell was wrong with sticking them all under alchemy? Seriously, it would have made a lot more sense and made it easier to play around with NIN's other abilities more freely.

[little ninja]

When I farm I use Shurikens to pull mobs for fun. They usually land anywhere from 90-110. About the same as my katana would do to the mobs. I never really use them for exp during my sessions. I guess I could try on an exp mobs butim willing to bet around the same as my weapon would.

The problem with Ninja is that they have a high level throwing. But nothing to to take advantage of. We have 5 different Shuriken The best is probably the Fuma Shuriken, but it only stacks for 12 and costd 100k. An thats if a stack ever sold. Which hasnt happened in over a year. We can go down the line but its all the same.

High level craft, with a just as high loss in revenue. Add in lack of sales and lack of use. You just wont find much of them being sold. I wish merchants sold them for cheap. It would make for another form of entertainment. But thats only a dream. Right now all but the regular Shuriken are sold for ridiculous prices.

[Malacite]

You can usually get a stack of Shuriken from the Tenshodo shops, sometimes a little more if no one bought any the day before for around 45-54 gil each.

[Feenicks]

In my opinion some of the elemental jutsu should have been based on Throwing skill since all ninjutsu involve the use (throwing) of a tool at an enemy to damage them.

[Pavlyn]

Originally Posted by Feenicks

In my opinion some of the elemental jutsu should have been based on Throwing skill since all ninjutsu involve the use (throwing) of a tool at an enemy to damage them.

i've always thought this too. it could be like how bards songs use both singing + instrument skill together when playing a song. a lot/all of the elemental and debuff ninjutsu could easily use throwing + ninjutsu skills.

[Malacite]

Well, in past FF's Ninjas could throw "skills" to cast different elemental attacks and abilities. They kept it tool based this time, but was kinda weird that they got changed to magic as opposed to something you throw.


I forget if Edge used MP or not, but in 3 5 and 6 you used the Throw command to use both shuriken and ninjutsu (excluding Ninja's other special command in FF5 to increase evasion, which btw is what Utsusemi/Blink originally did, not shadows)

[zell1990]

Generally speaking, a stack of the level 18 Shuriken will last you for quite a few levels, as they are the highest(?) DPS throwing weapon for aaaaaaaaages. So if your throwing skill is high enough, you can spam these to keep hate and deal decent damage in a party.

also, are you sure it just increased evasion in FF5? I remember the blink spell having 2-3 shadow-versions of the character when you used the ability, which were then used up if you got attacked

[Malacite]

Oh maybe. I know it's original forms in FF 1 and 2 were just evasion (I forget if it existed in 3)

yay necro post. And if you can get them at a reasonable rate, Manji (lv 48?) shuriken are amazing DPS.

[Szkol]

Here's a question for you-

Let's assume money is not a problem, and you can afford to spam Shurikens at your XP mobs all day long- does anyone know if this would be more effective at keeping hate than the elemental wheel?

I've got my NIN at 20 right now- and I haven't bought elemental spell ninjutsu yet b/c I didn't really need it in the dunes. From 15+ I was usually the most consistent DD in my party, and that made it pretty easy to keep hate on myself.

I don't foresee this lasting very long- and I sure would like to be able to keep hate without dropping a ton of gil on spells and tools, not to mention completely bogging down my inventory. It seems like Shurikens might be more effective than Ninjutsu, for keeping hate and letting NIN be a decent DD at the same time, at least for a little while.


I guess what I'm really wanting to know is this- would substantially higher damage output be reliable enough to keep hate so that maybe NIN wouldn't have to sub WAR? I was thinking RNG for the AGI and Throwing skill bonuses, but I think even better might be THF for AGI, Evade and Parry bonuses.

[Ellipses]

Originally Posted by Szkol

Let's assume money is not a problem, and you can afford to spam Shurikens at your XP mobs all day long- does anyone know if this would be more effective at keeping hate than the elemental wheel?

Before the Ni elemental wheel, absolutely. /poke is probably better at keeping hate than the Ichi elemental wheel.

Originally Posted by Szkol

I don't foresee this lasting very long- and I sure would like to be able to keep hate without dropping a ton of gil on spells and tools, not to mention completely bogging down my inventory. It seems like Shurikens might be more effective than Ninjutsu, for keeping hate and letting NIN be a decent DD at the same time, at least for a little while.

Shuriken bog down your inventory, too, you know. And they can't be toolbagged. I used elemental tools from 15-20 solo just to cap Ninjutsu. I haven't bought tools for them since (I'm at 34). I have been buying shuriken at the Tenshodo shop whenever they're reasonably priced (which is pretty often, it seems). I don't spam them, but I definitely use them. If you can afford shuriken, get them, and screw the elemental tools.

They won't last nearly as long, though. In a typical fight, I cast two, maybe three enfeebles (the good ones, not elemental). I can throw a hell of a lot more shuriken in that time. So it's not necessarily going to help your inventory any more.

Originally Posted by Szkol

I guess what I'm really wanting to know is this- would substantially higher damage output be reliable enough to keep hate so that maybe NIN wouldn't have to sub WAR? I was thinking RNG for the AGI and Throwing skill bonuses, but I think even better might be THF for AGI, Evade and Parry bonuses.

I don't think you'd be able to viably give up /WAR even with Shuriken. Not at these lower levels, anyway. Shuriken will definitely help you build up long-term hate so you can keep the mob on you, but it's going to be really spotty grabbing hate initially without provoke. I'd think you'd have hate bouncing for your first Utsusemi recast pretty much every time.

[Malacite]

Originally Posted by Szkol

Let's assume money is not a problem, and you can afford to spam Shurikens at your XP mobs all day long- does anyone know if this would be more effective at keeping hate than the elemental wheel?

Yes. Shuriken have insane DPS.