Koga Chainmail vs. Scorpion Harness - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community

Gwynn · 09-27-2006, 10:58 AM

Well... the thread title pretty much says it all. This merely originated from a dispute I was having with several LS members as to what would be the better body piece for a NIN in a standard TP burn party in Aht Urgan. I was advocating the use of the Koga, since it would give you better damage capabilities over the SH while not seriously impairing your tanking. They, however, were saying that a NIN should never really equip anything other than a SH if they are in a strict tank position. Now, I have no personal info with which to dispute them... the only tanking I've done is with my WAR in the Dunes. So, I figured I would put the subject before the better experience of all you NINs out there as to what your personal preference would be, just as a point of personal curiousity.

Rai · 09-27-2006, 11:15 AM

KI has several threads on this subject.

Many NINs argued over Koga vs SH vs Haubergeon vs Byrnie

Some said Haubergeon won hands down for NIN at 75 because of the increased damage output helping with hate.

It was quite interseting, I however would not use a Haubergeon, I'd see how my shadow retension was going and go for either Koga or Byrnie.

Omni · 09-27-2006, 11:22 AM

For burn PT, go with whatever gives you the best dmg output. You wont be tanking for long and at 75, most stuff is VT-

Haub > koga/shura > all else.

little ninja · 09-28-2006, 09:14 AM

Things shouldnt be living long enough in a TP burn party. Second alot of the jobs go /nin so hate bounces around. so your never caught in an Awww crap moment. The average ninja burn gear has +17 haste. the swift belt +4, W,turban +5, haidate +5, an fuma's +3. not to mention haste from a mage jobs. so even with the -20eva your still dealing with a very fast recast timer.

Koga > S.H wins hands down in the end. the 10 eva an 10 acc just arent worth it at 75 anymore.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/att...g?d=1158596610 Thanks to Bside for is image of your typical burn nin at 75...

Andvari · 09-30-2006, 08:30 PM

Once my BLM hits 75 i'm picking NIN back up (left at 42) is Byrnie really a better choice than SH? or are we talking lv75 equip here?

little ninja · 10-01-2006, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Andvari

Once my BLM hits 75 i'm picking NIN back up (left at 42) is Byrnie really a better choice than SH? or are we talking lv75 equip here?

Im an old school nin. i was pimping out the S.H back in the day when the only food we had to choose from was mitchkabobs an mithkabobs. Nowadays there is so many gear options it isnt funny. but back then we didnt have acc food. so i relied on S.H lifebelt an a few sniper rings to keep my acc up. Since S.E added sushi as food. its replaced the need fr the acc from a S.H

My op DD nin is the way to go, So go Byrnie...

Omni · 10-02-2006, 07:34 AM

haubergeon + kote. get a brd to elegy for you and if you can, have some half awake mages to heal you. you will hurt a lot of things that way.

Minaku · 10-07-2006, 08:34 AM

I love my SH, but I wouldn't be caught dead in it in a TP burn party. Tell your LS mates that there is no "strict tanking position" in a TP burn party - there is only support and DD. I'd use a hauby if I had one, but shura works fine for me which is about the same as koga.

Aeni · 10-08-2006, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by little ninja

Im an old school nin. i was pimping out the S.H back in the day when the only food we had to choose from was mitchkabobs an mithkabobs. Nowadays there is so many gear options it isnt funny. but back then we didnt have acc food. so i relied on S.H lifebelt an a few sniper rings to keep my acc up. Since S.E added sushi as food. its replaced the need fr the acc from a S.H

My op DD nin is the way to go, So go Byrnie...

Lil'ninja's absolutely correct. Many old schoolers who went melee and then switched to mages have long since been out of the loop on this one. Since advent of sushi, you are granted leeway in your equipment options.

In the old days, all you had was meat and meat. There were no inbetween (And anyway, why would you want anything else when mithkabobs back then were strictly 22% attack increase with NO LEVEL CAP on the melee attack and it also increased ranged attack as well). For PLDs, it was fishkabobs and crabs and that was it.

Plus the Hauby sported -20 evasion and back then, it hurted a lot more than it does now, considering that there weren't many +eva pieces you could make up elsewhere and many of the mechanics were simply not understood as well, so it was playing safe to use an SH instead.

I guess with NINs dumping their SH left and right, this is probably the biggest contributor to SH now being next to worthless among the former luxury good items.

little ninja · 10-08-2006, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Aeni

I guess with NINs dumping their SH left and right, this is probably the biggest contributor to SH now being next to worthless among the former luxury good items.

Yeah thats one of the reasons for the decrease in price. Also S.E added new armors in the 50's that are the cheaper version of the haub an the S.H.

I wanted to keep my S.H but why bother. at 75 even when i solo i dont see much deference in my acc or my eva. i can get just as much eva an acc out of my naru vest then i could from my S.H. it as if at 75 at 269 eva, we already come close or match the soft cap on most mobs.

Karinya · 10-08-2006, 02:49 PM

That and everybody, his brother and their dog manaburning desert swarm for 6+ months. Probably something like 90% of the kindred seals on my server have gone into that and v-claw is one of only 2 worthwhile items that ever comes out. (There are some other drops that are decently useful, but since the market is so flooded, not valuable.)

I'm not sure you can call Byakko's haidate and fumas "average"... I'm sure there is a fair number of people who have them, but there are also many who don't. Especially with Ulli monopolized by RMT for the past several months, getting to even see Byakko is no longer a common event. You might as well call Kirin's osode "average"; a Byakko kill pretty much guarantees a Kirin kill these days and the drop rate's not that different.

Aeni · 10-08-2006, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Karinya

I'm not sure you can call Byakko's haidate and fumas "average"... I'm sure there is a fair number of people who have them, but there are also many who don't. Especially with Ulli monopolized by RMT for the past several months, getting to even see Byakko is no longer a common event. You might as well call Kirin's osode "average"; a Byakko kill pretty much guarantees a Kirin kill these days and the drop rate's not that different.

I don't know about your server, but an Osode that is priced at 50 mil while everything else is plummeting serves as an accurate indicator that it is still a rare item. I doubt 10% of all level 75 players have a full god set (They may have 1 or 2, but not all of the pieces and rare/ex equipment/weapon) with more and more players hitting 75 soon, this just means more and more mouths to feed. Although personally, I think outside of one or two items, the rest is just highly overrated.

little ninja · 10-08-2006, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Aeni

I don't know about your server, but an Osode that is priced at 50 mil while everything else is plummeting serves as an accurate indicator that it is still a rare item. I doubt 10% of all level 75 players have a full god set (They may have 1 or 2, but not all of the pieces and rare/ex equipment/weapon) with more and more players hitting 75 soon, this just means more and more mouths to feed. Although personally, I think outside of one or two items, the rest is just highly overrated.

Sadly i am 4/5 on the full God set. I was lucky enough to have no contest for the G.KAbuto, S.Kote, An the Sune-ate. As for obtaining the osode, i basically played the inflation market. an just beofre the crash dumped everything i owned. Sold high, bought very low. One day passing by a rollanberry bazaar noticed a Osode for 20mil an bought it, as of late ive seen them for 21mil, 23mil, an 26mil. so there price has dropped.

As for haidate, i fear it will be the only God drop i will never see. 6hr,10hr, an 12hr i have not seen ulli pop since the patch. Before that time it was very noticeably botted by the g/s.

Nowadays i only see Ulli stones in bazaar, but my Ls refuses to go that route even though im the one offering to fund Byaako pops. Thus no Byakko pop, no seal, an that means no Kirin. Even though every ls sack holder has almost the whole seal set except Byakko. Such lame morals. i wont buy from a g/s. Even though 60% of the game transactions probably go thru them anyways,

Aeni · 10-09-2006, 01:52 AM

I have no idea why SE changed how Ulli popped. There really was no problem with claiming Ulli from RMT before the changes. Now, however, I've heard it's been challenging.

I think SE works for the RMT >.>

little ninja · 10-09-2006, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Aeni

I have no idea why SE changed how Ulli popped. There really was no problem with claiming Ulli from RMT before the changes. Now, however, I've heard it's been challenging.
I think SE works for the RMT >.>

The only thing wrong with ulli camp was the fack it was botted 24/7 by the same peeps in the same LS. But atleast you had a better chance then u do now.

So whats his pop conditions anyways now, Cant be killing the placeholders cause i was there watching others kill them, then my ls was there after they left killing them. An neither of us so him pop.