04-01-2004, 04:45 PM | #1 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,130 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 2,217 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,217 Donate | Tanking NIN without /WAR Imperial Egg
Level 75
Damage : 99
Delay : 999
CHR+3 Ranged Accuracy+99 HealHP+3 Add effect : Provoke  there's a +1 version too.
Can you imagine if throwing weaponskills were added? NIN/SAM would probably be the best damage dealer.
Ofcoarse, I'm sure the chances of getting ahold of one is slim to none. :p None has even been sold on my server. Good part is is that it's a ranged weapon, not ammunition like shirokens. Has anybody tried using it? With NINs A+ in throwing, I'm sure they're the best class to use it. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-01-2004, 05:30 PM | #2 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 593 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 396 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 396 Donate | delay=999 which roughly translates into crap, now i know melee weapons w/ additional effects don't always work, not sure about this specific item, but yeah, if u wanna play ninja 99% of the time your subbing war, this item is a toy  March 23 2004, a day that will live in infamy.
Use search, or deal with assholes like me | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-01-2004, 06:10 PM | #3 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,130 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 2,217 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,217 Donate | | Quote: | Originally posted by Bamce Sylph delay=999 which roughly translates into crap, now i know melee weapons w/ additional effects don't always work, not sure about this specific item, but yeah, if u wanna play ninja 99% of the time your subbing war, this item is a toy | Additional provoke isn't the point, it's the 99 damage. Pull with that and it'd do outstanding damage. And if throwing weaponskills were added, the 99 damage would make the WS do AMAZING damage. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-01-2004, 07:26 PM | #4 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 58 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,829 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,829 Donate | i dont think this egg is reusable, like a boomerang so if you throw it you waste it so it turns into a worthless item imo | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-01-2004, 08:42 PM | #5 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 59 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 27 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 27 Donate | This item makes you get provoke without having WAR as sub job. So you can be NIN/SAM with Provoke  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-01-2004, 09:59 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 593 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 396 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 396 Donate | but wouldn't throwing faster, less dangerous weapons produce the same effect? and i really don't htink it gives you provoke, sounds like its a proc from throwing, like morian thalums  March 23 2004, a day that will live in infamy.
Use search, or deal with assholes like me | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-01-2004, 10:30 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,130 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 2,217 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 2,217 Donate | I agree with Bamce. No added effect weapons give you the ability, it only goes off every now and then. | Quote: | | but wouldn't throwing faster, less dangerous weapons produce the same effect? | Yeah, the DPS is crappy, but if throwing weapon skills are added then delay doesn't matter. Can you imagine doing a weaponskills that like Sidewinder with a 99 damage weapon?  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-02-2004, 03:31 AM | #8 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,009 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 11 Thanked 14x in 8 Posts Gil: 9,848 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 9,848 Donate | Assuming you could get a large number of these (I think they are going for about 600k on Midgard), they would absolutely, indisputably be better than Provoke. No contest.
99 damage is good and fine. But 999 delay = 10 seconds. That means that you can throw one every 10 seconds. 10 second provoke = mayor of hatesville.
And for the record, on consumable ranged weapons, add'tl effect procs almost every time. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-02-2004, 05:30 AM | #9 (permalink) | | Struck Out (Banned) Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 738 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 595 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 595 Donate | Hrm I don't have much experience using ranged weapons, but don't you get locked in a 'ranged attack' pose for the duration of the delay, before you actually throw/shoot? That would mean 10 seconds of just standing there doing nothing ... no attack ... no blink ... | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-02-2004, 11:23 PM | #11 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,009 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 11 Thanked 14x in 8 Posts Gil: 9,848 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 9,848 Donate | | Quote: | Originally posted by Deodorant Hrm I don't have much experience using ranged weapons, but don't you get locked in a 'ranged attack' pose for the duration of the delay, before you actually throw/shoot? That would mean 10 seconds of just standing there doing nothing ... no attack ... no blink ... | That's true, and I guess for a NIN (who needs to cast a lot in order to tank) it probably wouldn't work as well. For any other tank (PLD or WAR), it would be unbeatable, though. There's really no need to do anything else when you are provoking 4 times every 30 seconds. Other classes could spam 2hr and the mob wouldn't care. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-03-2004, 03:49 PM | #12 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 289 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,314 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,314 Donate | | Quote: | Originally posted by Madden This item makes you get provoke without having WAR as sub job. So you can be NIN/SAM with Provoke | add effect = When weapon is used (or thrown in this case) | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-03-2004, 08:03 PM | #13 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 52 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 79 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 79 Donate | I'm pretty sure it's a rare, single-use throwing item.
So...
Purely speculation, but maybe its role is in Dynamis. According to FFXI MysteryTour , there are a few weapons with 999 delay and poor regular stats that have really good stats in Dynamis. I have no idea if this might apply to Imperial/Tsar's Egg: its stats look good, but put into practice, it doesn't seem terribly practical. On the other hand, there's no mention of anything suggesting that on MysteryTour, so I don't know. (Though, it does say it's EX, which it's not...)
EDIT: Just looked on the AH again. Neither Imperial nor Tsar's is rare, which means both I and FFXI MysteryTour are wrong on that count.  Still, it doesn't seem terribly practical for its price tag. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:55 PM. | | |