[Dryhus]

Originally Posted by GuardianFaith

I wonder why no one ever mentions DRG as a viable sub for Monk @ 75.. it can outparse /WAR by a substantial ammount. For sure it's a hell of a lot better than /THF.

Disclaimer: I'm not 75. I'm speculating, so please save the demands that I defeat Kirin eleventy-five times before posting.

I have no doubt that /DRG is viable 20-30, between DRG's Attack Bonus JT and before WAR's Berserk JA.

However, this is what level 37 subjobs will give you, in terms of damage. Listed stats are in the case of a 75 Hume MNK.

/WAR
-Berserk (30)
-Double Attack (50)
-Attack +25 (60)
-1 STR over /DRG
-2 DEX over /DRG

/DRG
-Jump (20)
-Attack +10 (20)
-High Jump (70)
-Accuracy Bonus (60)
-5% Haste from Wyvern Earring (EDIT)

Not listing Warcry (70 MNK/WAR) as it's useless next to Boost, and I don't know any MNKs that use it.

Even 75 MNK/WARs start dropping accuracy gear/food once they start XPing on VTs and accumulating H2H merits. The Accuracy Bonus plummets in value when this happens. You're left comparing Berserk, Double Attack, 1 STR, and 2 DEX.....with Jump and High Jump.

/WAR prz.

[GuardianFaith]

Originally Posted by Dryhus

Disclaimer: I'm not 75. I'm speculating, so please save the demands that I defeat Kirin eleventy-five times before posting.

I have no doubt that /DRG is viable 20-30, between DRG's Attack Bonus JT and before WAR's Berserk JA.

However, this is what level 37 subjobs will give you, in terms of damage. Listed stats are in the case of a 75 Hume MNK.

/WAR
-Berserk (30)
-Double Attack (50)
-1 STR over /DRG
-2 DEX over /DRG

/DRG
-Jump (20)
-High Jump (70)
-Accuracy Bonus (60)

Not listing Attack Bonus (60 MNK/WAR, 20 MNK/DRG) because both subjobs give it at 75. Not listing Warcry (70 MNK/WAR) as it's useless next to Boost, and I don't know any MNKs that use it.

Even 75 MNK/WARs start dropping accuracy gear/food once they start XPing on VTs and accumulating H2H merits. The Accuracy Bonus plummets in value when this happens. You're left comparing Berserk, Double Attack, 1 STR, and 2 DEX.....with Jump and High Jump.

/WAR prz.

http://users.livejournal.com/_remus/
<Please check it> Before you make any assumptions, especially since you have not experienced it for yourself.

[Dryhus]

Originally Posted by GuardianFaith

http://users.livejournal.com/_remus/
<Please check it> Before you make any assumptions, especially since you have not experienced it for yourself.

Have you experienced it yourself? That journal doesn't appear to be yours, and I see no parses. I put a disclaimer saying my post was speculation, and it was just that; no wild unfounded assumptions. I put exactly why I think /WAR would outdamage /DRG. All I see in that journal is someone saying differently. I don't see how I'm any more presumptuous than you are, since neither of us have parses to support our arguments.

I'd definitely like to see parses. I'll gladly revere and even play as MNK/DRG if it outparses MNK/WAR. Of course, I don't want to see higher average damage per fight, or higher average skill damage, or higher average ability damage...I'd need to see DPS.

[GuardianFaith]

I didn't know you'd take that so offensively. If I offended you I'm sorry >.>;

[Cyprias]

Originally Posted by Dryhus

Have you experienced it yourself? That journal doesn't appear to be yours, and I see no parses. I put a disclaimer saying my post was speculation, and it was just that; no wild unfounded assumptions. I put exactly why I think /WAR would outdamage /DRG. All I see in that journal is someone saying differently. I don't see how I'm any more presumptuous than you are, since neither of us have parses to support our arguments.

I'd definitely like to see parses. I'll gladly revere and even play as MNK/DRG if it outparses MNK/WAR. Of course, I don't want to see higher average damage per fight, or higher average skill damage, or higher average ability damage...I'd need to see DPS.

That's funny because there's a parser in there dated awhile back.


I still haven't tested /DRG either, but I'd loved to based on this parse.

Jumps, High Jumps, and Chi Blasts were grouped into Skill damage for some odd reason.

[Elisen]

Although MNK/DRG does have alot of advantages, particularly before you get Berserk from /WAR, you will never see many people use it simply because you can't use call wyvern as /drg. I'm not saying /drg is bad, I will eventually lvl drg and try it out for myself, i'm just saying thats why you never see it in guides.

[Akurra]

Very informative, thanks for the post ^.^

[Omni]

09-25-2006, 01:56 PM

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