Samruai Disscussions

[Rico]

Does anyone know what abilities they use?

I was the frist to post for samruai I am the coolest ^_^;;;

[onixero]

Some of the abilities they use are
... resist blind, store Tp, demon killer, wise reflection, protection circl heart eye, and silent concentration. passive and active.



:thumbsup: :cool: now who is the coolest (by the way you can find all abilties under active and passive abilites.

[Rico]

ok thanks

[davidmmmm9]

I AM a samurai, I am the coolest ;)
:thumbsup:

[Rico]

Cool can samurai's where hakama's?

[onixero]

Stand down im the only true and greatest samurai of all Vana diel lol:handsdown

[Aikko]

I havent seen any hakama armour yet, so id say it isnt likely but it would be so kool if they could wear something that would actully make the look like samurai. Many things are worng with ffxi version of samurai, the first of which katanas are not worn the right way up, and fighting postures and stances are all wrongTT. But despite the lack of realism, it Samurai is my favorite. I would love to see them in a real Gi and hakama, atleast they would look like samurais.

[davidmmmm9]

here is my thought

they did not wear hakama to go into a big bloody fight, it adds no defence.

what do you do in final fantasy a lot?
fight.

and wearing one would add poor defence and make in impractical

[Rico]

Originally posted by davidmmmm9
here is my thought

they did not wear hakama to go into a big bloody fight, it adds no defence.

what do you do in final fantasy a lot?
fight.

and wearing one would add poor defence and make in impractical

Ture... but monks where light armor so it's not a big deal plus... they just look cooler... I thought it would have been better that they learned different fighting stances that will be soo coo O_o

[Rico]

So... I see the hume's arent cool O_o;;

[Hidoku]

Hey... Wouldn't a Gelka Samurai be pretty strong?

[davidmmmm9]

starving, I think they changed stances for hume and evlaan, not sure about galka.

but taru and mithra hold katana just like 2h sword, no difference in stance.

I like elvaan and hume stances.

and elvaans are so ghetto :p

[Rico]

Well Hume's better be cool or imma do something bad >.< :mad: :mad: :sweat:

[leo3]

in my own opinion their regualr red samurai armor is cooler and more than likely their AF.

[Rico]

Originally posted by leo3
in my own opinion their regualr red samurai armor is cooler and more than likely their AF.

I agree the red armor looks soo hot and they have matching Pikes it looks great

[Ma Chao]

Their TP specials are insane! In a PT i was in, there was two, and after a REnkai, they almost ready to begin another one! Its insane...

[Rico]

I see so Samruai's do rock ^_^

[Barrett]

Samurai is really strong^^ especially when he/she has thf for sub job.
I was in a party with samurai last night, and he did almost 800 damage by himself. I saw samurai's 2h ability, and it was just insane.... 4 ren by himself....
I would wanna play samurai after I finish genkai 3 ^^

[vagtark]

well i am going to be a samurai anyway. There just to cool. And by the sounds of things they seem pretty awsome damage dealers.:thumbsup:

[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by Barrett
Samurai is really strong^^ especially when he/she has thf for sub job.
I was in a party with samurai last night, and he did almost 800 damage by himself. I saw samurai's 2h ability, and it was just insane.... 4 ren by himself....
I would wanna play samurai after I finish genkai 3 ^^

hmmmm, odd, can only do three weapon skills, maybe the last one was just the effect and you thought it was a fourth one?

[Rico]

People think Dragoons, Summoners, and Ninja are cool! *looks at the post poll* 17% damn it!

[Barrett]

Originally posted by davidmmmm9


hmmmm, odd, can only do three weapon skills, maybe the last one was just the effect and you thought it was a fourth one?

It wasn't just the effect. I checked the log, I saw both of his ws logs and effect logs. He used mokuso (gives you 100TP. lvl 30 ability) while he was doing renkei, also samurai has store tp ability which helps a lot. What he did is that he used 2h ability and did 3ren and then right after he did third one, he used mokuso and did 4th one. He said he could do 2ren by himself without 2h ability^^ Samurai is a renkei master^^

[Rico]

So you are saying that Samurais are the best tank jobs?

[Barrett]

I think samurai is excellent tank, I wouldn't say it's the best tho. Each job has both good and bad characteristics, and I haven't tried all the jobs. I shouldn't say which is the best till I actually experience. What i was trying to say is that samurai could be really strong when he knows how to deal with job ability well. Being able to use ws many time in one fight is very useful. But at the same time samurai would get too much hate from monster if he used ws too much. Gaining too much hate would be too risky since samurai is not good at defence. You have to be sure when to use your ws.

[Rico]

I see... so u think War will be the best sub job combo?

[Kosh]

Or maybe Paladin Sub for the best defense and a couple extra heals.

"I saw samurai's 2h ability, and it was just insane.... 4 ren by himself.... "

OK, I'm confused now. I thought Renkei was whne all members in a group attack in a certain order using different types of weapons making some type of group linked combo attack.

SO how does a samurai do it all by himself? :confused:

[Barrett]

It depends on what you wanna do in a party and what your teammates expect you. If your party didn't have pld, then they would ask you to have warrior for sub job. You use taunt with other tank. If your party did, you would wanna have thf for sub. Give a monster a lot of damage (you have to be careful about controlling hate tho).
But like I said I haven't tried everything yet, so this is only me guessing from what I've seen and heard. I might try to level my samurai soon and see what combo is good^^

[Rico]

Ok you do that lol

[Reavis]

I like samurai because of the weapons but im now thinking about some other class because of the amount of people going for this class.

[Kosh]

What is everyone's thoughts on Monk/ Samurai?

Hear me out, the samurai lvl 10 innate ability is to build TP more quickly. And you build TP with every attack you make right? Well, I believe high level monks get the most attacks (by level 60, they have the innate ability martial arts 5 times which shortens the attack interval).

Sooo if you combine the monk's high rate attacks with the Samurai's innate ability to gain TP quickly it seems like you would be gaining TP faster than you could be dishing it out.

What do you think? What would be the problems with this combo?

[Magus]

Reavis, how very un-Samurai like of you.

Without other Samurai, an individual Samurai cannot exist.

It's not the law of Bushido, it's common sense.

[Reavis]

Samurai were privileged to wear two swords, and at one time had the right to cut down any commoner who offended them.
Don't push it i still remain a samurai at heart magus ;)

In its fullest expression the code emphasized loyalty to one's superior, personal honor, and the virtues of austerity, self-sacrifice, and indifference to pain.
I uphold them pretty easy :handsdown

For the warrior, commerce and the profit motive were to be scorned.
I always give and never recieve my friend :sweat:

unfailing loyalty to their overlords
In my case my linkshell :thumbsup:

We are Ronin's not True Samurai because we are masterless my friends and without one to govern us, well we'll cause more problems then we solve.
Think about this stuff and then you may realize that there are only a few of us with the true heart of a samurai :biggrin:

[Reavis]

Lets add-on to what it means to be a true samurai :)

Freedom from fear
Purity of heart
Constancy in learning and contemplation
Generosity
Self-harmony
Adoration
Study
Austerity
Righteousness

Non-violence
Truth
Freedom from anger
Renunciation
Serenity
Aversion to fault finding
Sympathy for all
Peace from greedy cravings
Gentleness
Modesty
Steadiness

Energy
Forgiveness
Fortitude
Purity
A good will
Freedom from pride

some rules that samurai's always follow ;)

Faith - believe in yourself and those around you

Hope - Believe that your will to succeed or change will have effect

Charity - Help others where and when you can

Fortitude - Do not give up

Justice - Reward those who deserve rewarding, thank those who need thanked

Temperance - Moderation can win over extremism. The tortoise can beat the hair. Relax, you're doing fine.

Prudence - Be cautious, wise and discreet.

more....

Humility - Oft presented but seldom found

Kindness - Be kind, especially to those struggling to understand

Abstinence - Avoid the habits which will drag you down. Do not overindulge yourself.

Chastity - Refinement in taste and style

Patience - You will require a great deal

Liberality - Cultivate the mind for its own sake

Diligence - Be steady and earnest in the application of your knowledge

oh i like these ones so im adding them :)

Gandhi's seven sins
Wealth without Work
Pleasure without Conscience
Science without Humanity
Knowledge without Character
Politics without Principle
Commerce without Morality
Worship without Sacrifice

Out of clutter find simplicity
From discord find harmony
In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity

alot of those fall under buddhism too ya know :biggrin:

[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by Reavis
I like samurai because of the weapons but im now thinking about some other class because of the amount of people going for this class.

there are tons of EVERY class, most unused ones are probably Beast Master and ranger.

and I noticed a lot less Drk's lately

probably because samurai own them :thumbsup:

[Rico]

Well the less samurai's the better

[Reavis]

Hey im still going samurai for NA version mate :thumbsup:

[Rico]

Originally posted by Reavis
Hey im still going samurai for NA version mate :thumbsup:

Oh I didn't ment that to you :sweat: I always look at the post and we are the last place >.<

[Talis]

I am going to be a Samurai because of Mr.Gamer.

[Rico]

Originally posted by Talis
I am going to be a Samurai because of Mr.Gamer. :sweat: :sweat: :sweat: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Well I hope we play together

[Reavis]

Yeah we'll bring you to our server when we decided on it Gamer ;)

[Rico]

Well I will see you till then... mate

[Alatar]

I too am interested in being a samurai. I am wanting to be a Samurai/Red Mage. Because of the weapons spells. So i could use those spells againest monsters that are weak againest certain elements. Also a little bit of white magic and black magic and some exclusive red magic too. What do you guys think of this combo? My starting job will be red mage.

P.S Samurais will be awesome i hope to play with you guys. If we end up on the same server.

[Rico]

I was thinking the same thing Al.... but the best one for samurai is Warrior so you can get extra attack power

[Kosh]

I think RDM would be a good sub job for many jobs (who wouldn't want Regen). Just keep in mind that a lvl 65 Sam/ 32 RDM only has 102 MP and you would not be able to use Refresh spell until SAM is lvl 82 (not possible yet). So you would have to use your magic sparingly at times.

[Callous]

i think sam/thief is a deadly combo...rdm is ok and war is so-so...but with 2 renkie(?) masters as a job and suib how can it be stopped?? plus moves like decieve attack and sneak attack are to hot to pass up!!!

[dragoon]

Maybe Sam/Monks
cause of the monk nice def. and decent speed with the Sam.
Got a qusetion.Can samurai hold Ax or 2-handed ax

[Rico]

Samruai's can use spears thats all I know I don't know about axes

[bones111]

What about Samurai/Ninja?

The master of renkei with 2 swords :eek:

[Barrett]

Sam/Nin wouldn't be too bad, but I wouldn't recommend.
Samurai's main weapon is 2H katana, and Ninja's ability nitouryu would be useless. You can equip 2 1h swords, but samurai's 1h sword skill is C;; Too bad samurai cannot equip 1h katana.

[Alatar]

Ya the low MP really won't bother me i don't see myself using a lot of magic by the time i become a samurai. I would have a healer in my party. The other spells would be nice but not used a ton. Because other mages could handle that. But i don't want to be completely w/o magic either so if i end up soloing againest weaker monsters and need healing or something i can heal my self. So i guess that is what i'll try if i don't like it then. I'll be some other sub job. Maybe white mage. If the samurais can really deal that much damage out.

I just thought of something. I wouldn't have some of the other stuff i wanted but how about a Samuai/Bard

[Talis]

never sub bard! *Burns it on your forhead*

You will get horrible songs and you can only use your voice, No Instruments, subbing bard=bad.

[Alatar]

K gotcha thanks. Then it will be either Red Mage or white mage for me.

[Rico]

Red Mage is a ok Job for Samurai I am thinking But Samruai's are known are there fighting skills I think the best sub jobs for Samurai are Warrior and Theif.... But do it your way and tell me how it is:sweat:

[Binh]

What about DRK for a sub? They give you a lot of power and you get better defences against magical monsters.10

[Rico]

Yeah you will get great offense! .... but your defense will be very very poor... X_x

[vagtark]

im going to go Samurai/Warrior. They just seem like the coolest job out there. Why isnt there a big interest of Samurai's on this board.????

[Alatar]

Now that i think about it i might start as a Red Mage then have thief as my sub job. If i like being a thief better then i will use that. Warrior could be good too. Oh so many choices i need to play this game. I hope i get accepted for the beta.

[AmnesiaVertigo]

Does anyone know a good resource for abilities on Samurai? They don't seem to be very popular on this site... so... yeah. Go Samurai! Blade grasp! Hi-yah!

:spin:

[Zurar]

If you sub-job a class (Say Samurai/Dragoon) What skills from the sub-class would you get/not get and at what levels? Thanks in advance.

[Serpent]

I am planing to be a Samurai too and as for my sub I am try to pick out of RDM ,THF ,WAR or MNK still not sure.

[Zurar]

Originally posted by Zurar
If you sub-job a class (Say Samurai/Dragoon) What skills from the sub-class would you get/not get and at what levels? Thanks in advance.

Heck, even if you could tell me what skills i wouldn't get from having it as sub would be good :sweat:

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Zurar


Heck, even if you could tell me what skills i wouldn't get from having it as sub would be good :sweat: I think you would get Enchant Circle and Jump , you would not get Dragon Summon, High Jump , super jump and for passive you get Physical Attack Power Up , Dragon Killer and Target Hit Ratio Up . Note you would have to get Dragoon to lvl 30.

[Zurar]

Thanks Serpent. Kinda figured i wouldn't get the 2 hour ability (though wasn't 100% sure) but didn't know about the others so i figured i'd ask. Mainly i'm just looking for a subjob that's not one that everyone's talking about using for a samurai, and yet still decent to sub.

[davidmmmm9]

tonight, fellow samurai dreamers.
I did the one man, four weapon skills combo.

2 hour ability- first WS - TP charge (it takes about 4-5 sec to get to 100%, so you have to start it early) - second WS - third - finisher.

it was very nice, even though I've been up for 24 hours and am feeling dead.

well.....only thing to look foward to now as samurai is new armor and katanas : /

no more abilities except useless demon killer.

[Rico]

That's Great I like the Samurai's in the Redish armor

[Adam]

Hey sounds good David... keep it up man! ^_^
:thumbsup:

[Barrett]

I told ya ^^
That's really great that you've done it^^
Samurai is a true renkei master:thumbsup:

[Gurada]

David, were you able to actually create a Renkei or did you merely do 4 WS's in succession? And if not, would it be possible for a Samurai in a PT to start a WS and after everyone else goes for him to finish it as well?

[davidmmmm9]

actualy full renkei

yon-no-tachi>ichi-no-tachi>yon-no-tachi>san-no-tachi

this is basically the same as
red lotus>fast blade>red lotus>combo
(fast blade>red lotus> combo being the most basic renkei used in the game)

although not all the 2h katana WS's are listed or translated, I'm guessing eventually it will have a WS in all different element type catagories, making it possible to do any type of renkei.

and if you go at the beginning and have maybe 2 people go after you do, you can do TP charge ability and probably have enough TP to finish the renkei.
although it's best to let thief finish renkei, because they have deceiving+backstab, which adds to the renkei damage.

[sammy samuri]

would monk make a good sub for samurai ??

[davidmmmm9]

uhhhh, sure, but I don't see the point.
you might get some extra HP, but that's about it.

war is a good sub, added str, added vit, taunt is always useful for any melee class, and best of all, mine is level 40, so I don't have to level a sub until my samurai is level 82 : P

[Rico]

I agree that's what I am planning to be

[himura kenshin]

me myself im going pure samurai:thumbsup:

[Gurada]

Ah, Himura Kenshin, you seem like a true hardcore Samurai :handsdown

:-P

[Reavis]

Man this topic took off and ive only bin gone for 2 days

[himura kenshin]

we need to get the samurai boards goin man.we need some pics and stuff

[Rico]

Big Samurai fan over here! XD we samurai's are rare the less there is the more helpful we can be we samurai's are rare with our powerful katana's

[Rico]

AND! BTW this samruai Topic is doing alot better than others ^^

[dragoon]

I will go PURE monk for the sake that other people choose to avoid and i like them 2

BUT

I Really like Samurai but they are really like warrior but they are japanese version

[Rico]

eh? are you crazy?!? jk you just have to wait till we samurai's show what we are capalbe of u will see my friend you will see... ^^

[Serpent]

I cant wait tell this game finaly comes to NA, ill be lvling like hell so I can get to Samruai fast :thumbsup:

[dragoon]

Alright then i will see then


Would it be good for
Sam/Monk

[tetsuoshima14]

Hey whats up Kenshin!!! Our Linkshell is gonna OWN!!
Now I need a sig!

[Anaki]

this has most liely been said in the last 10 pages buh i to lazy to read em so you spelt samruai wrong it's samurai

[himura kenshin]

ya tetsuo but it wont be all samurai becouse everyone was bitching so it will have to be all class.yea i got adobe photoshop 7 and i will make a sig as soon as i find some good pics

[tetsuoshima14]

Cool thanks!!:handsdown

[Rico]

Originally posted by himura kenshin
ya tetsuo but it wont be all samurai becouse everyone was bitchin

First of all... I was giving you advice if you want to go make a clan with just samurai's go ahead. It wouldn't work at all... you don't have to take my advice... O.o a clan with no healers will not work at all.

[himura kenshin]

dude i wasnt talking about you.and also the legendary warriors isnt just samurai's not that im saying you said it is or somethin

[Rico]

It's ok ^^ I wasn't looking for problems anyway.

[Streifer]

I have a question.... What would be better in defence and offence between a warrior/samurai and a thief/samurai:confused:
SO MANY CHOICES!!!:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:

[Rico]

Go for War/Sam theif/Sam will just give you agility O.o I think

[vagtark]

sam/thf would be good because samurai's are really slow. so that combo would give it's speed a little boost.;)

[himura kenshin]

can a samurai with another job still use all the samurai only equipment?

[Gurada]

Only is SAM is your main job.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by vagtark
sam/thf would be good because samurai's are really slow. so that combo would give it's speed a little boost.;)
Hmm don't think it would help speed much but backstab with samurai would ROC x3 lol (is now tempted to sub thief =\ lol )

[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by vagtark
sam/thf would be good because samurai's are really slow. so that combo would give it's speed a little boost.;)

there are no jobs that help with attacking speed, only monks inactive ability martial arts which shortens grapple usage time, nothing else.

advantage to subbing war:
when you get sam to 30, you can use war lv15 ability beserk, your attack goes up for 3 minutes.

war lv25 passive ability, double attack
war lv30 passive ability of attack power up

and very important, taunt.
I find myself being the tank a lot (TT) even though I'm not really a tank class.

so I would rather sub war and give up backstab in exchange for overall higher strength and defence, not to mention usefulness.

[Rico]

David.. do you got a picture of your samurai character?

[Jason sama]

Hey whats up guys. I'm new here, but I just got my e-mail about being accepted for beta, so now I'm totally stoked, I've had my eye on being Samurai ever since FFT. (I am so addicted to that game it's ridiculous =P) But anyways, I'm totally lookin forward to making my Samurai. And hopefully, I'll see some of you other guys on there in the beta. Late.

[Rico]

Welcome and I hope I get to play with you ^^

[Cyrus99]

hey guys, I've actually been around here as long as everyone else, but I've just been to lazy to post. I too have been longing to be a Samurai since FFT. I am going to have access to the beta, look forward to seeing you all online.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by Aikko
I havent seen any hakama armour yet, so id say it isnt likely but it would be so kool if they could wear something that would actully make the look like samurai. Many things are worng with ffxi version of samurai, the first of which katanas are not worn the right way up, and fighting postures and stances are all wrongTT. But despite the lack of realism, it Samurai is my favorite. I would love to see them in a real Gi and hakama, atleast they would look like samurais.
I'm no samurai guru i'll admit - i don't study - again i admit, however ur not entirly true in saying the sword is placed wrong side up at the hip . . . it was more common to have it the reverse of that for practicle reasons but in the early stages of samurai it was nearly always worn with the hilts backside to the persons shoulder and higher officers often wore it this way as well. lol sorry not flaming or nething juss saying.
Also the later levels have a few armors which show disting samurai traits - only pic i've got -

[Nodachi]

here's a slightly better angle. . . i'll try to find this armor on higher leveld characters so it's more distinct - i see them a lot just never have my screenshot taker on ><

[Rico]

Samurai's are the best no question about it... too bad not many people like them :(

[davidmmmm9]

alright, I posted some pics of samurai in the screen shots thread, still more to come whenever I feel like it.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12228&perpage=9&pagenumber=1

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by MrGamer373
Samurai's are the best no question about it... too bad not many people like them :(
I love my samurai no doubt - but i don't think anyone can go as far as saying any particular job is "the best" they all serve their own purpose. this game isn't like say RO or PSO where u can raise one class and romp all - it's strictly teamwork and there's really no such thing as soloing past the levels of say 15 in this game. so a sam without say a whm is practically usless -_^

Also - not sure whether it's true about not many liking them but i'd rather keep it that way - i like to be original as much as i can in MMORPGs and last thing i want are a bunch of cookie cutter fan boy samurais runnin around heh.

[Rico]

Originally posted by Nodachi
it's strictly teamwork and there's really no such thing as soloing past the levels of say 15 in this game. so a sam without say a whm is practically usless -_^.

So your saying a good sub job with samurai is White mage?

[dragoon]

Originally posted by MrGamer373


So your saying a good sub job with samurai is White mage?

samurai/Whitmage i'am thinking stat wise

Strength: will decrease on account of the whitemage ability

Defense: Will also decrease on account of the whitemage ability

Speed: Will decrease on account of both sam/white ability

Magic: Will ok to use but you will need to boost up it mp so that you don't have to rest alot.

I could be worng

Thanks David

[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by MrGamer373


So your saying a good sub job with samurai is White mage?

he is saying that one job is useless without other jobs. he is saying not to sub whm, but that a samurai without another person as a whm is as good as dead in a party.

whm is fine for soloing from like lv1-12 maybe, but after that it's not a good sub.
and dragoon, sorry, but that sentence made absolutely no sense.

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by dragoon


samurai/Whitmage i'am thinking stat wise

Strength: will decrease on account of the whitemage ability

Defense: Will also decrease on account of the whitemage ability

Speed: Will decrease on account of both sam/white ability

Magic: Will ok to use but you will need to boost up it mp so that you don't have to rest alot.

I could be worng

Thanks David sorry to say but no job effects your main jobs agility, and there is no way to "boost up" your MP count, other than equiping items which add MP bonus i guess =\

[Varo]

Originally posted by MrGamer373
Cool can samurai's where hakama's?

Oh man, that would be really awesome. It's too bad you can't. Perhaps if we plead with Square they will be added. Beta testers, that is your job. Plead with square during the testing period to add Hakama's.

[davidmmmm9]

uhhhh, nodachi, no sub jobs affect agility? try subbing thf or ranger. (although I heard subbing thf doesn't add much more than war sub) but ranger has highest agi, so you would notice a difference if you subbed ranger.

ok, this seems to be a common mistake that people assume. Subbing a job does not DECREASE stats in any way. it adds basically half of the stats of the subjob.
subbing whm wouldn't decrease any of your stats, it just wouldn't be as high if you subbed something better.
but you were right, the reason for subbing whm when you're soloing is because you can heal yourself and MP gains back a lot faster than HP when you're resting. But after about level 15+ you shouldn't really solo anymore, so the whm sub isn't all that useful.

and people always say "this sub will affect your speed". What the hell is speed. your attacking speed? your running speed?
Attacking speed is based on the delay of the weapon.
a war, thf, rng, nin, pld, drk all using the same one handed sword will all attack at the same speed. no stats affect your attacking speed.
only thing that decreases attacking speed that I know of is monk's passive ability, which is only for grapples that attacking interval is shortened, and ranger passive ability at 15 that they shoot their bow faster.

I think this will be my new credo for melee that sub whm: Leave the healing to the mages, if you want to do healing, be a mage. if you want to do damage, be melee.
(although pld can do some decent curing, just not very much of it)

and Varo, samurai can wear both heavy armor (well...most of heavy armor), and robe type clothes that monks, ninjas wear. That's as close to a hakama as you're going to get.
I personally would see this as a useless addition if by some strange reason they did add it. It would have less defence than the heavy armor, so what's the point, to look cool?
I'd rather be wearing the cool red samurai only armor than a vest and baggy pants.

[Zurar]

Originally posted by Nodachi
here's a slightly better angle. . . i'll try to find this armor on higher leveld characters so it's more distinct - i see them a lot just never have my screenshot taker on ><

Hey Nodachi...you mind if i use part of that picture for a sig i'm working on for someone? :confused:

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by davidmmmm9
uhhhh, nodachi, no sub jobs affect agility? try subbing thf or ranger. (although I heard subbing thf doesn't add much more than war sub) but ranger has highest agi, so you would notice a difference if you subbed ranger.


whoops sorry Miyamoto i ment attack speed lol =\ like the Delay time on weps... my bad.and sure Zurar go for broke u can use the pic.

[Zurar]

Thanks Nodachi :thumbsup:

[ZazC154]

Hey guys, i have been seeing alot about the good stuff of a samurai, but what about the bad. This game is so balanced where every job as at least one pretty big disadvantage, such as the pld's low attack and rng's high cost and low defense. What is the down side of teh samurai

[davidmmmm9]

hmmmm, that is a good question
samurai isn't all that bad in any catagory (magic doesn't count)

they have semi low defence, but it is still higher than drk.

I would say greatest disadvantage is lack of special job abilities.
only two useful abilities are heart's eye and TP charge.
not something that could save a party like whm goddess blessing, or pld invicibility.
and two hour is cool and all, but I don't think all that usefull at times, in order to use it, you have to build up TP first, which can take time. not something useful in an emergency.
(and when you first start at low levels 2hr is completely useless. you don't get the first weaponskill till about level 5, and it takes a long time soloing to get tp to 300%, especially when you have to rest after each battle or so)

[ZazC154]

So it is more balanced, perhaps in a way a tricked out warrior

[clyde]

hey i got a question i was checkin my stat calculater and at lv 65 pally had more str then a samurai, pally had 70 and sam only had 67 and since sam's dont get attk stat bonuses wuts up with this???

[davidmmmm9]

I would say, I don't trust stat calculators

[Rico]

HAPPY B DAY DAVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rico]

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[Rico]

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[Rico]

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[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by MrGamer373
HAPPY B DAY DAVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahah, thanks ^^

[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by MrGamer373
HAPPY B DAY DAVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahah, thanks ^^

[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by MrGamer373
HAPPY B DAY DAVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahah, thanks ^^

[davidmmmm9]

Originally posted by MrGamer373
HAPPY B DAY DAVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahah, thanks ^^

[Nodachi]

Lol happy Birthday dood, hope it's a good year for ya.

[Nodachi]

Lol happy Birthday dood, hope it's a good year for ya.

[Nodachi]

Lol happy Birthday dood, hope it's a good year for ya.

[Nodachi]

Lol happy Birthday dood, hope it's a good year for ya.

[vagtark]

Originally posted by clyde
hey i got a question i was checkin my stat calculater and at lv 65 pally had more str then a samurai, pally had 70 and sam only had 67 and since sam's dont get attk stat bonuses wuts up with this???

well you also have to think about the armor they wear and so on about different things they can wear to change thier stats. Also paladins are masters with the one handed sword, and really at higher levels they only use one handers. and samurai's are masters with the two hand katana. let me just put it this way

1 hand sword = lower damage

2 hand Katana = very high damage


so you get the point. and also read my thread in the Paladin section about thier attack power.http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10479 O and also paladins are not known for there attack power.

;)

[vagtark]

Originally posted by clyde
hey i got a question i was checkin my stat calculater and at lv 65 pally had more str then a samurai, pally had 70 and sam only had 67 and since sam's dont get attk stat bonuses wuts up with this???

well you also have to think about the armor they wear and so on about different things they can wear to change thier stats. Also paladins are masters with the one handed sword, and really at higher levels they only use one handers. and samurai's are masters with the two hand katana. let me just put it this way

1 hand sword = lower damage

2 hand Katana = very high damage


so you get the point. and also read my thread in the Paladin section about thier attack power.http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10479 O and also paladins are not known for there attack power.

;)

[vagtark]

Originally posted by clyde
hey i got a question i was checkin my stat calculater and at lv 65 pally had more str then a samurai, pally had 70 and sam only had 67 and since sam's dont get attk stat bonuses wuts up with this???

well you also have to think about the armor they wear and so on about different things they can wear to change thier stats. Also paladins are masters with the one handed sword, and really at higher levels they only use one handers. and samurai's are masters with the two hand katana. let me just put it this way

1 hand sword = lower damage

2 hand Katana = very high damage


so you get the point. and also read my thread in the Paladin section about thier attack power.http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10479 O and also paladins are not known for there attack power.

;)

[vagtark]

Originally posted by clyde
hey i got a question i was checkin my stat calculater and at lv 65 pally had more str then a samurai, pally had 70 and sam only had 67 and since sam's dont get attk stat bonuses wuts up with this???

well you also have to think about the armor they wear and so on about different things they can wear to change thier stats. Also paladins are masters with the one handed sword, and really at higher levels they only use one handers. and samurai's are masters with the two hand katana. let me just put it this way

1 hand sword = lower damage

2 hand Katana = very high damage


so you get the point. and also read my thread in the Paladin section about thier attack power.http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10479 O and also paladins are not known for there attack power.

;)

[Nodachi]

Hmm i've seen many level 65 Pallys with the 2H silver curvey sword - sorry forgot the name. and yes you're right in saying 1H is weak compared to a 2H katana, however you have to realize they swing nearly 2 to 3 times for every one time a samurai swings.

[Nodachi]

Hmm i've seen many level 65 Pallys with the 2H silver curvey sword - sorry forgot the name. and yes you're right in saying 1H is weak compared to a 2H katana, however you have to realize they swing nearly 2 to 3 times for every one time a samurai swings.

[Nodachi]

Hmm i've seen many level 65 Pallys with the 2H silver curvey sword - sorry forgot the name. and yes you're right in saying 1H is weak compared to a 2H katana, however you have to realize they swing nearly 2 to 3 times for every one time a samurai swings.

[Nodachi]

Hmm i've seen many level 65 Pallys with the 2H silver curvey sword - sorry forgot the name. and yes you're right in saying 1H is weak compared to a 2H katana, however you have to realize they swing nearly 2 to 3 times for every one time a samurai swings.

[vagtark]

true, i didin't think about that. Now that i start looking at some pics i also see a lot of paladins using that 2 handed curved sword.

[dragoon]

It seem that people will use the badest weapon for there class when they hit a high lv

[MAK]

i have no clue how this would turn up but how bout a Sam/beast master...sounds wierd but.......also sounds cool...:p

[Reavis]

Hey sorry ive bin gone for abit guy's, how's everyone doing in the samurai department aye :thumbsup:
Hope all JP players are going good :handsdown

[Grissom]

new here and glad to see many people really into the Samurai:)
now i'd like to have a SAM/SUM but i need to know just how low their MP is. i was able to make it work well in FFT but i don't know for this.
thanks
:handsdown

[Zurar]

Heh, you had the same idea as me at first...well, the answer i got was that they wouldn't have enough MP and the summon would be so low lvl that one hit would kill it making it pretty much useless...kinda wish the answer were different myself :( I'll probably end up going either Sam/War or Sam/Pld, they both increase def skills which it sounds like samurais need /shrug

[Grissom]

sounds bad but i might as well give it a try to see for myself. if it doesn't work out then i'm going to have to go for something else.... which i have no idea what :(

[Ma Chao]

Originally posted by Aikko
I havent seen any hakama armour yet, so id say it isnt likely but it would be so kool if they could wear something that would actully make the look like samurai. Many things are worng with ffxi version of samurai, the first of which katanas are not worn the right way up, and fighting postures and stances are all wrongTT. But despite the lack of realism, it Samurai is my favorite. I would love to see them in a real Gi and hakama, atleast they would look like samurais.

Besides that, hakamas aren't the practical garment for rushing into battle. If they were Tachi swords then they could excuse the sheathed position. Etiqutte wasn't a serious matter when you slaughtered people in the 16th century when these Samurai seem to be. 1700+ is when hakamas and etiquette and doing proper Iai draws and Noto came in.

[Leonardo]

Hey i was wondering. so u can't be a sam till level 30 right so as ur start as a warrior or mnk or thf. I was gonna sart as warrior so when im lvl my warrior i hsould have sub for my war wat u think a thf?? Need help. How should i level this warrior till 30

[Xu Tha Samurai]

wow im so glad to see so much samurai support here at ffinsider there is almost no one that wants to be a samurai ... I think what day all of here taht want to be a samurai should journey from all around one day and meet up with each other not to go adventure or anything but just meet a certain place and disscuse how things are like begin a samurai... anyways ya I just bought this book at the book store called code of the samurai so im about to go start reading it .. cant wait to play ....


SAMURAI'S RULE !!! HIIIIYA

[dragoon]

I may not read the book but is the code of a samurai busido death before dishonor?

[Xu Tha Samurai]

to tell you the truth I havent read the book yet but I belive they do kill them self before dishonor and/or as the punishment of failure

[MalkaiyaOneZero]

scuicide is used to atone for dishonor, basically the last chance from being disgraced for failure -or- evil behavior(going against orders, treachory, etc,). The customary way to commit the scuicide for honor was the thrusting of the tanto(short bladed sword-about the size of a butcher's knife) into the stomach/abdomen, the blade is pulled upwards then twisted. It is a slow and painful death, sometimes people were unaible to complete the ritual and would suffer for weeks before bleeding to death. It was also acceptable to have a friend show mercy by decaptitating you, making for a much quicker and less agonizing death(only acceptable after the intial thrust into the abdomen).

[HAGAKURE]

I bringing this thread back because I dont want it to go to waste so lets just call this a huge bump



what targets you to become a samurai?

[KosMos]

Originally posted by HAGAKURE
I bringing this thread back because I dont want it to go to waste so lets just call this a huge bump



what targets you to become a samurai?

Well I like weilding swords, and being half Japanese. So its only natural to play as a swordsman. I don't like western swordsman that much, so natural Samurai takes priority. ^-^"

[HAGAKURE]

lol the only thing I see different about Samurai and Western swordship is the stance that samurai's use and the postion they place there sword when there not using

[Rico]

yay my thread is back! XD well my target is to be a regular samurai I was one of the first huge samurai fans here lol :sweat:

[MalkaiyaOneZero]

Hagakure, I assume you are speaking of ingame FFXI. At least I hope so.

[HAGAKURE]

Originally posted by MalkaiyaOneZero
Hagakure, I assume you are speaking of ingame FFXI. At least I hope so. Yea.. all that I mentioned plus the weapon skill & armor .... thats the only thing that seperates the warriors from the samurai *sigh* in FFXI. I wish they would put more details in the samurai's subquest jobs with things that have to deal with the history of samurai's... It would also be cool if they came up with an DeMoblizing Attack that is sorta of related to Self-Destruct with the Ninja... since no Samurai can fail and live to tell about it!!

[MAK]

Well I like weilding swords, and being half Japanese. So its only natural to play as a swordsman. I don't like western swordsman that much, so natural Samurai takes priority. ^-^"

Hey are you dissing me ancesters?!

[KosMos]

Originally posted by HAGAKURE
Yea.. all that I mentioned plus the weapon skill & armor .... thats the only thing that seperates the warriors from the samurai *sigh* in FFXI. I wish they would put more details in the samurai's subquest jobs with things that have to deal with the history of samurai's... It would also be cool if they came up with an DeMoblizing Attack that is sorta of related to Self-Destruct with the Ninja... since no Samurai can fail and live to tell about it!!

Well yeah u got the code of the samurai...and you can't exactly go around commiting suicide...when ever u fail a mission... be kind of pointless...need a WHM to raise then. ^-^;

[MalkaiyaOneZero]

doesnt ninja have self destruct? Doesnt this also not take away exp? same could be for samurai

[HAGAKURE]

Originally posted by MalkaiyaOneZero
doesnt ninja have self destruct? Doesnt this also not take away exp? same could be for samurai

Exactly ... plus it would work wonders for party's

BTW I do have Code of the Samurai

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by HAGAKURE
Yea.. all that I mentioned plus the weapon skill & armor .... thats the only thing that seperates the warriors from the samurai *sigh* in FFXI. I wish they would put more details in the samurai's subquest jobs with things that have to deal with the history of samurai's... It would also be cool if they came up with an DeMoblizing Attack that is sorta of related to Self-Destruct with the Ninja... since no Samurai can fail and live to tell about it!!

You have to keep in mind that the world you play in isn't the world the original samurai exsisted. Therefore, they shouldn't feel oblidged to make them similiar in any way, shape or form.

And stats also seperate ?íŽmwar?@from Ž˜sam.:rolleyes:

[HAGAKURE]

Originally posted by Nodachi


You have to keep in mind that the world you play in isn't the world the original samurai exsisted. Therefore, they shouldn't feel oblidged to make them similiar in any way, shape or form.

And stats also seperate ?íŽmwar?@from Ž˜sam.:rolleyes: your right never thought about that .....

:rolleyes:


EDIT: The Samurai section is now the third when it comes to popularity it's right behind Red Mages and Dark Knights

[KosMos]

Originally posted by MAK


Hey are you dissing me ancesters?!

Are you kidding? Its just a matter of preference. I happen to like the katana, it's slightly curved for decapitation. ^-^;

[MalkaiyaOneZero]

Originally posted by KosMos


Are you kidding? Its just a matter of preference. I happen to like the katana, it's slightly curved for decapitation. ^-^;

Not necessarily fro decapitation, but it does allow for the blade to be swung for just that extra little nanosecond, to pick up just a little more momentum, allowing for a slightly stronger swing. On the other hand a ceremonial kukri is made for decapatation, but FFXI probably doesn't have any jobs reflectin that of warlords from India.

[Serpent]

I want to play Samurai just because I like there style of swordsmanship :thumbsup:

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by MalkaiyaOneZero


Not necessarily fro decapitation, but it does allow for the blade to be swung for just that extra little nanosecond, to pick up just a little more momentum, allowing for a slightly stronger swing. On the other hand a ceremonial kukri is made for decapatation, but FFXI probably doesn't have any jobs reflectin that of warlords from India.

I won't even bother correcting this post lol.

[MalkaiyaOneZero]

I had been awake for 43 hours when I typed that. You could at least understand what was being said. That was typed very well compared to some of the other post I have seen on these forums. I had maybe 3-4 errors.

[vagtark]

i am scard that some of you people will even make a shouganate or whatever they are in ffxi, the way you guys keep brining up the real life samurais, in a game thats called Final Fantasy.

[HAGAKURE]

Are you talking about Shogun?

[Nodachi]

Originally posted by MalkaiyaOneZero
I had been awake for 43 hours when I typed that. You could at least understand what was being said. That was typed very well compared to some of the other post I have seen on these forums. I had maybe 3-4 errors.
Oh didn't mean like typos - hell i'm the king of those =P

[vagtark]

Originally posted by HAGAKURE
Are you talking about Shogun?

yeah, but i thought they had another name too. I think i just mis spelled it.

[Nodachi]

nah he was correct in saying shogunate - it's what hmm it's what housed? lol the shoguns - better yet if you're a shogun you belong to the shogunate. kinda like cindicate.

[Rico]

I mean people are into samurai wayyyy too deep I mean people acting all serious like a "Samurai will act" just act like your self.:cool:

[vagtark]

Originally posted by MrGamer373
I mean people are into samurai wayyyy too deep I mean people acting all serious like a "Samurai will act" just act like your self.:cool:

tell me about it, these people are crazy

[lun4tic]

I'm a Ninja whos mastered the arts of spamming.

http://www.ffxiunlimited.com/pWn3d/owned-flying.gif

[HAGAKURE]

Ive just finished reading my second samurai book of the summber .... I know what seppuku is but what is it call when they kill themself's for there master....

[note] I dont try to act like a samurai myself it's just I like to read about them

[Nodachi]

hmm i don't know if this is right but it's like hirakiri or somthing isn't it? lol duno? i think it's similiar to that tho =\

[MalkaiyaOneZero]

I dont know the word either, but I think nodachi was close

[HAGAKURE]

I found it ... it's called tsuifuku

[Rico]

I little off topic but nice sig HAG it's nice.

[HAGAKURE]

lol thanx i dont think it's off topic because it is a samurai and this is the Samurai disscussion thread

[crownprincesado]

^_^ It's nice to see a lot of Samurai's around here. I'm getting the FFXI Beta soon enough, whenever they decide to ship it to my house. I played a White mage in the Japanese version but I wasn't on so often, and I decided that since one of my friends was going white mage in the english beta that I would be a meele.

I thinking that, while Samurai/Warrior would be good, the combination of a Samurai/Bard doesn't take that much off of strength (when used with a stat calc, but I don't know if I trust that or not..) and you get the song spells, which are pretty nice. Bards always tend to be under-rated.

[Rico]

Yeah bard's are under rated but they can be major help :biggrin:

[Nodachi]

I once had this thought too before i knew anything about bards really. the problem with subbing bard is that you can only have one song in effect at a time, the time it takes for a song to be completed is longer than one who has bard as a main, you arn't able to use an instrument when you sub bard and lastly since it is indeed subd you won't have the higher leveld bard songs. so imho it would just be better to let a full fledged bard take care of the bard matters.

[KosMos]

Originally posted by Nodachi
I once had this thought too before i knew anything about bards really. the problem with subbing bard is that you can only have one song in effect at a time, the time it takes for a song to be completed is longer than one who has bard as a main, you arn't able to use an instrument when you sub bard and lastly since it is indeed subd you won't have the higher leveld bard songs. so imho it would just be better to let a full fledged bard take care of the bard matters.

Yeah its true that you can only have one song going when BRD is subbed but I think BRD is best subbed with WHM. ^-^ it seems to be very popular with the PTs. But you do crap damage...but what the heck as long as you lv and get invited into PTs that's fine with me. ^-^"

[crownprincesado]

I'm just trying to figure out how much of a damage falloff I'll have if I have a Bard instead of a Warrior as my sub...

[vagtark]

Originally posted by crownprincesado
I'm just trying to figure out how much of a damage falloff I'll have if I have a Bard instead of a Warrior as my sub...

Well you wouldn't get any of the attack boost, or defense boosts Abilities if you dont have warrior as your sub job. And warrior still has higher atk power than samurai, so having warrior as your sub will help out in your act power and also a little bit of your deffence power. Im going warrior becasue of these reasons. I dont think i will never taunt though, unless if i absolute have to.

[N_Matsumoto]

Seems to be alot of ppl you like Samurai, but arent any of you concerned by Samurais being useles after lvl 60?

take a look at this tread if you didnt already:
http://ffxi.cogn.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20471&highlight=2h+katana+ws

[cram]

What in interesting and huge thread!^^

Reading all this has made me really want to make a samurai!

Hmm...

So many jobs, so little time. Aiiieeee!

[Rikuya]

anyway... whats the best race for Samruai ?

[Rico]

Bump! lol... such a good thread, so many good memories :). I was such a die hard Samurai fan . . . don't know why I am not one :(. Yeah I'm bored.