Full-Time Paladin Head

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

Right now I have two options for what to wear for main head gear for Paladin, as you know from a previous thread I'm not one for visual gear swapping for Paladin except for Valor Feet for Sentinel for the 100% Damage reduction.

Anyway right now my two options are:

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/Adaman_Barbuta.jpg

and

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/Walahraturban.png

And although the Walahra turban is just a no brainer for /nin, i rarely do /nin, I will always be found as /war or /rdm for Paladin. I just can't seem to decide between the two for my Turtle/Blood tank setup.

Although about 80 more floors of Nyzul until I have a chance at my:

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/AskarZucchetto.jpg

And luck at claiming Fafnir to get my:

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/Aegishjalmr.png

Once i get those two i don't think i will be seeing the Walahra Turban again, and the Adaman Barbuta is going right back onto the AH.

But for now Turban and Barbuta is what im stuck between for my /war and /rdm build.

Any thoughts?:)

[Raydeus]

Adaman, the +Emnity and +def far exceeds any possible gain from Haste +5% alone.

But then again I've always been a turtle kind of PLD so my opinion might be a bit too old school for the times. :rofl:

[Celeal]

To OP:

May I ask how frequent your PLD is going to cast magic or swing weapon? If not frequent then Haste from Walahra Turban won't help much.

P.S: For PLD/NIN, Walahra Turban is no brainer as you already stated. For PLD/DNC I found that Walahra Turban is actually helpful ---- shorter Flash timer plus better TP gain.

[MrMageo]

moar enimty moar vit moar def ^^

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

May I ask how frequent your PLD is going to cast magic or swing weapon?

as PLD/RDM I'm always casting magic, reapplying Phalanx/Stoneskin/Blink/Aquaveil, casting Blind to keep hate, etc. If i have some MP to spare i'll throw up a Blaze Spikes.

As for weapon swinging:

I use this as my main weapon for /war,/rdm,/nin, almost 99% of the time.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/Macuahuitl_Plus1.jpg


The other 1% of the time when im /dnc in campaign or soloing as /dnc, or places ill need a little more damage output or don't need the +emnity from the Macauhuitl ill use my Joyeuse:

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/Joyeuse.jpg

Hope that answered your question so you so you can help answer mine ^^

(i sure am one for visual aid...lol);)

[Icemage]

If you're PLD/NIN, the Walahra Turban is a clear winner for its effect on Utsusemi recast.

For any other situation when you are tanking as PLD/anythingnotNIN, the Adaman Barbuta will probably serve you better.

For any situation where you need more damage and are less concerned with tanking, the Turban still wins.

For non-/NIN tanking, the Aegishjalmer is pretty hard to beat (and maybe even with /NIN, depending on the rest of your Haste build, as 7 enmity in one slot is awfully hard to find).


Icemage

[Celeal]

as PLD/RDM I'm always casting magic, reapplying Phalanx/Stoneskin/Blink/Aquaveil, casting Blind to keep hate, etc. If i have some MP to spare i'll throw up a Blaze Spikes.

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Hope that answered your question so you so you can help answer mine ^^

(i sure am one for visual aid...lol);)

In my humble opinion, Emnity+ is the direct way for getting mob's attention. It is the main purpose of Emnity+ gear. Just put on the Emnity+ gear, and it will do what it is suppose to do. No need for tricks, no need for work-around, very straight forward.

To be honest, what works for one PLD, may not necessary work for another PLD. I suggest you to try both pieces yourself :)

[MrMageo]

wait wait I got the piece of gear you need

Bronze Cap +1

ftw

[Callisto]

If you can't get a Bahamut's Mask anytime soon I'd definitely have to advise the Aegishjalmr. That is a huge stack of emnity in one piece and not something to be taken for granted, I'd take an extra 5 emnity over the extra 3 VIT of the Barbuta any day.

If you wanted to be picky, I'd personally still carry the Turban with for /WAR and /RDM, and swap it into Flash and Stoneskin casts.

[WishMaster3K]

As a career RDM, I find it hard to justify NOT switching gear, but I understand the reasons why a PLD would be against it.

Honestly... Enmity for Flash and Haste for Utsusemi.

I'd rather have Haste for Flash and just have enmity on other actions, because a reduction in timer results in more Flash casting over time. Maybe when you're at the enmity cap, full Haste is fine, but it's all situational.

EXP/MERIT, I'd do haste, because you need the timers. But Haste is only for DoT, Flash and Utsu, whereas Enmity can apply to more areas.
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But then again, I'd say that 5% Haste outweighs +2 Enmity.

[Raydeus]

I still think for the specific aplications the OP was talking about (as in non /nin tanking while he gets the other 2 better head pieces) Adaman is the way to go. :thumbsup:

[Kitalrez]

You know, when I saw this thread's title I was expecting a very different post. I'd like the record to show that I am VERY DISAPPOINTED. Ahem.

From the perspective of a back-liner and usual healer, I'd lean toward having you take the Adaman. It's not that the Turban wouldn't let you keep hate similarly, it's just that you'd be taking a bit less damage and needing a bit less effort to do your job. That translates into less mp usages on Cures and Earthen Wards from me. Also less having to amp things up to get ahead of the DRK's dmg spike. It seems like the turban would be more useful to you if your Joytoy saw more action. With /RDM for phalanx, though, I'd stick a bit more def and vit on. I think you'll see better results.

[Callisto]

You know, when I saw this thread's title I was expecting a very different post. I'd like the record to show that I am VERY DISAPPOINTED. Ahem.

I actually was expecting it to be about that PUP Valoredge thingy. :huh:

[Sevv]

Adaman, the +Emnity and +def far exceeds any possible gain from Haste +5% alone.

But then again I've always been a turtle kind of PLD so my opinion might be a bit too old school for the times. :rofl:

There is no real one is greater then the other it all comes down to the situation.



moar enimty moar vit moar def ^^

Vit is broken it doesn't do shit, it is a joke like wearing vit rings.

If you're PLD/NIN, the Walahra Turban is a clear winner for its effect on Utsusemi recast.

For any other situation when you are tanking as PLD/anythingnotNIN, the Adaman Barbuta will probably serve you better.

For any situation where you need more damage and are less concerned with tanking, the Turban still wins.

For non-/NIN tanking, the Aegishjalmer is pretty hard to beat (and maybe even with /NIN, depending on the rest of your Haste build, as 7 enmity in one slot is awfully hard to find).


Icemage

Where this is right i just need to stress for pld/nin tanking you need both turban and a enmity head piece.

As a career RDM, I find it hard to justify NOT switching gear, but I understand the reasons why a PLD would be against it.

Honestly... Enmity for Flash and Haste for Utsusemi.

I'd rather have Haste for Flash and just have enmity on other actions, because a reduction in timer results in more Flash casting over time. Maybe when you're at the enmity cap, full Haste is fine, but it's all situational.

EXP/MERIT, I'd do haste, because you need the timers. But Haste is only for DoT, Flash and Utsu, whereas Enmity can apply to more areas.
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But then again, I'd say that 5% Haste outweighs +2 Enmity.

Where as its enmity v 5 haste yes the haste will more or less out weigh.


As for the usable good heads for pld.

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/9/92/Bahamuts_mask.JPG
Hard to get, drop rate as well as trying to get cloud evokers

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/7/76/Aegishjalmr.png
When do these not drop, could probably get one free or for a max of 500k from you any major hnmls.

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/e/e8/Iron_ram_sallet.jpg
Easy to get very effective

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/a/a4/Valor_coronet.jpg
Easy to get but lolbastok

---W turban Line (Arguable above Af2) ---

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/3/30/GallantCoronet.JPG
AF!

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/0/0c/Adaman_Barbuta.jpg



I did leave out hydra salade, the drop rate and the amount of ls that spam Dyna-Tav it is probably the rarest.

[eticket109]

You know, when I saw this thread's title I was expecting a very different post. I'd like the record to show that I am VERY DISAPPOINTED. Ahem.


I can't say I didn't have the same thought, if only briefly.

[Callisto]

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/e/e8/Iron_ram_sallet.jpg
Easy to get very effective

I completely forgot about this new piece, this is actually friggin' fantastic considering the stats and how easy it is to get.

[WishMaster3K]

If you register with Sandy..

[Raydeus]

There is no real one is greater then the other it all comes down to the situation.

You didn't read the OP did ya. <_<;

[Sevv]

You didn't read the OP did ya. <_<;

What someone wants to do and what they should do are not the same, just because someone refuses to gear swap doesn't mean they shouldn't.

We have a drg in my dynamis shell hq heca body hands feet wyvern helm +1 conte legs dual triumph +1 flame ring+1. He refuses to gear swap 2 he is a joke of our shell his gear is nice for ws, but he is a joke overall.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

Paladin =/= Dragoon

:)

When i prepare for a set situation (i.e subbing /nin or subbing /war) I'll pull out my static visual gear for that.

If i'm soloing yeah i can gear swap all i want because im only looking out for myself, but doing endgame mainly as Bard, and when im on my xbox360 without my keyboard (like alot of players are) it does suck to try to go through your menus or hit your Paralyna macro on a blinking tank because you'll end up casting it on yourself and your tank will get pissed at you.

Granted if your tanking is spamming "Paralyna Please" they shouldn't be blinking like a spotlight anyway.

[Sevv]

Paladin =/= Dragoon

:)

It was an example. Basically Pld/Nin you should be using 2 pieces in head gear, hands, waist, etc. should be blinking for utsu cast and directly after, for most events. If you are tanking (so mainly anywhere but dynamis) The macro's on the main white mage should be entered with your name in them, that is just your support knowing what to do tho. Blinking doesn't hurt tanking if your support is good, at that is a big thing to tanking is having a great supporting class.


When i prepare for a set situation (i.e subbing /nin or subbing /war) I'll pull out my static visual gear for that.

If i'm soloing yeah i can gear swap all i want because im only looking out for myself, but doing endgame mainly as Bard, and when im on my xbox360 without my keyboard (like alot of players are) it does suck to try to go through your menus or hit your Paralyna macro on a blinking tank because you'll end up casting it on yourself and your tank will get pissed at you.

Granted if your tanking is spamming "Paralyna Please" they shouldn't be blinking like a spotlight anyway.

You need to teach your supporting cast about making tank macros. =P

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

You need to teach your supporting cast about making tank macros. =P

I'd rather claw my brains out that write six paralyna macros and six cure macros for each blasted viable tier to my level, each time for any event. Can't bring myself to do it. My macros are too complex as it is.

But then, I can just AoE -na spells. Anyone who has to blink every five seconds and still needs a cure can just die :P

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

When i do status heals (paralyna, silena, cursna) im not gonna make it JUST for the tank.

Say i do Paralyna, its going to be /ma "Paralyna" <stpc> so when everyone gets hit with a Paralyzga, i can get the tank first, then help everyone else out.

But when im trying to move a cursor over the tank and he blinks while i hit the macro im just going to do it to myself and waste precious mp and time ><

[DakAttack]

Optical Hat?

[Raydeus]

Paladin =/= Dragoon

:)

When i prepare for a set situation (i.e subbing /nin or subbing /war) I'll pull out my static visual gear for that.

If i'm soloing yeah i can gear swap all i want because im only looking out for myself, but doing endgame mainly as Bard, and when im on my xbox360 without my keyboard (like alot of players are) it does suck to try to go through your menus or hit your Paralyna macro on a blinking tank because you'll end up casting it on yourself and your tank will get pissed at you.

Granted if your tanking is spamming "Paralyna Please" they shouldn't be blinking like a spotlight anyway.

Well, not counting Sevvy's deficits on the reading comprehension department the Iron Ram Sallet is indeed a better piece than Adaman if you are planing on taking a long time getting the high end pieces you mentioned.

It would all depend on how long would that take and if you need to switch nations (or are already allied to Sandy's army) to see if it's worth the hassle for you. Edit : Also considering you wont be able to sell it after like with Adaman.


I'm actually starting to consider the thing since I'm unlikely to upgrade any PLD gear in a really long time. :rofl:

[Sevv]

I'd rather claw my brains out that write six paralyna macros and six cure macros for each blasted viable tier to my level, each time for any event. Can't bring myself to do it. My macros are too complex as it is.

But then, I can just AoE -na spells. Anyone who has to blink every five seconds and still needs a cure can just die :P

I am talking endgame battles, more towards pld/nin. I can't say I ever blink on nin/drk unless it is for Fire resist for Tiamat or Damage reduction for terror.

Six tanks O.o

With a ps2/xbox360/controller for pc I have two macros for each -na, one for the tank and one for <t>. I got so use to the macro system that I actually have my <t> a set above and swap sets instantly =P

Optical Hat?

Win sir.

Well, not counting Sevvy's deficits on the reading comprehension department the Iron Ram Sallet is indeed a better piece than Adaman if you are planing on taking a long time getting the high end pieces you mentioned.

It would all depend on how long would that take and if you need to switch nations (or are already allied to Sandy's army) to see if it's worth the hassle for you. Edit : Also considering you wont be able to sell it after like with Adaman.


I'm actually starting to consider the thing since I'm unlikely to upgrade any PLD gear in a really long time. :rofl:


Also the fact it is great in a MDB/Resist set.

[Icemage]

Also the fact it is great in a MDB/Resist set.
That and it's a very SMALL set (2 pieces), covering two slots that aren't normally that important to PLD anyway.

The headpiece is important, but the I R Sallet is comparable in quality to most of the other endgame Paladin headpieces, and more so in some circumstances - notably magic damage fights like Tiamat, Jormungand, Bahamut, Ouryu Cometh, and to a lesser extent things like Jailer of Faith.


Icemage

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

/sigh~ no claim on Fafnir again so no Aegishjalmer...

Doing Nyzul Isle tonight, hopefully to get some more floors towards my Askar head~

So i tried out the Walahra Turban as PLD/RDM and went to Castle Oztoja[S] with Omgwtfbbqkitten and his 54 Scholar, i buffed myself, protect/shell/stoneskin/aquaveil/etc,etc. And flashed a Yagudo Knight Templar, conned T++ to me, basically duo'd it down and got 120exp. I love that Haste, it helps with Flash alot so i can reapply SS and blink and Phalanx when i need to. Didn't help that the Yagudo Knight Templar had Zanshin (or double attack i couldnt tell) but still took it down no problem~ I gotta say though i cannot wait until Swift Belt for more Haste towards my /rdm and /nin setup.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/ynt.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/ynt2.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/ynt3.jpg

[Jaice]

It honestly all depends on how you want to swing it Selphiie, I've never had the chance to play with anything higher than a 50drg and he's gone the way of the dodo, but if the need arises would it be possible to start the battle with the + emnity headgear then switch out to +haste for the battle? or would taking off the headgear act as a -emnity for the monster?

Sevv in your post you said Vit is broken, could you explain that a bit further?

I'm looking into leveling up my paladin here soon and trying to see which jobs I'd like to use for solo/duo with my girlfriend ^^; any recomendations?

[Sevv]

It honestly all depends on how you want to swing it Selphiie, I've never had the chance to play with anything higher than a 50drg and he's gone the way of the dodo, but if the need arises would it be possible to start the battle with the + emnity headgear then switch out to +haste for the battle? or would taking off the headgear act as a -emnity for the monster?

Sevv in your post you said Vit is broken, could you explain that a bit further?

I'm looking into leveling up my paladin here soon and trying to see which jobs I'd like to use for solo/duo with my girlfriend ^^; any recomendations?

In anything worth tanking stacking vit has little to no noticable effect. Working with enmity and haste builds provide a much more noticable effect in major tanking.

[LadyKiKi]

If DEF/VIT were fixed, perhaps pieces of the Martial Abjuration (minus the head, the only truely good piece due to Shield Skill/HP) would be a lot more desirable. Right now they're just for looking pretty (and messing about). :P

[Sevv]

If DEF/VIT were fixed, perhaps pieces of the Martial Abjuration (minus the head, the only truely good piece due to Shield Skill/HP) would be a lot more desirable. Right now they're just for looking pretty (and messing about). :P

I would still rock a mbody over af+1 in town.