Puppetmaster damage

[Guren]

Everyone that says lolpup should literally go kill themselves after this picture is spread throughout the internet. Puppetmaster is an amazing DD.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4550/pupdmgsmallerif6.png (http://imageshack.us)

It takes only 2-3 fights to get the automaton ready to be able to do this damage.

***My PUP was only messing with this too. The marid died instantly and I wasn't even at 100% power***

Once the automaton is ready to hit like that, there is no stopping us.

[Dranzia]

Impressive. How consistently can that be done? You say "once the automaton is ready," meaning that, from that point on it's ready to go?


And I do apologize that I'm not schooled in the way of the PUP, if this is a very ignorant question then please ignore it.


:worry:

[Guren]

Yes, once the automaton has 1% - 5% HP and no MP left, WHILE using Valoredge (Melee) Head piece and Harliquin (Overall/beginning) frame, it is ready.

Just get 100% TP on the actual puppetmaster and then 100% on the Automaton.

Pop up 3 Fire Manuevers WITH Attuner, Fire Holder, and Tension Spring and lastly an Inhibitor (All attachments for automaton) also, I almost forgot, Optic Fiber.

This will maximize your damage.

Seems like a lot, but can be done very fast.

Puppetmasters become very dominant and the highest DD to date.

I am finally able to laugh in other jobs faces like they have done to all of us PUP's since it came out.

~Guren

[Sabaron]

Uh oh... It looks like the Marid probably wasted poor Muffin after that. I haven't had any doubts about PUP's maton damage for some time. Even the old weaponskills (on Ranger) were enough to tear hate off PLD tanks and earn the poor little maton a one-way ticket to the boneyard which is a significant problem due to the recast time. Keeping your maton timed so that it doesn't die is the trick.

The classical problem people always have with PUP is that they focus on how lackluster the Master is. Puppetmater is a pet-centered DD job. A good PUP cannot let his maton die. Loss of maton tanks PUP's damage. PUP is a hard job to play because of this. Extremely careful enmity management is the PUP's job. The maton is quite fragile even with it's new tricks like shadows. Good tanks are also a plus--a PUP can't shine with a crap NIN.

[Guren]

With ventriloquy meritted you can just use that and take hate off the automaton.

Plus, 95% of the time everything dies that it touches.

I one shotted that Marid. (Technically I had to melee it once more)

Still, I was at about 60% Strength. I have hit over 3.8k on each. Magic Motar and Light are always the same damage.

[Malacite]

Puppetmasters become very dominant and the highest DD to date.

Yes because it's just so much superior than this:

YouTube - The Legendary Kraken Dark Knight VS Ul'yovra

or this

YouTube - Pure Pawnage


Now granted, SE recently toned this down (sucks for DRKs who put the effort into it. IMO SE once again showed major ignorance on their part and rather than nerfing the problem weapon [*cough* relic knuckles *cough*] they went and nerfed haste.)


Not that this isn't freaking awesome for PUP, 'cause it is. But don't go making BS claims.

[Tickmeoff]

DRK can only pull that off once every 2 hours, also requiring a Bard to 2 hour and either KC or relic scythe, neither of which are relatively easy to obtain.

A naked PUP using lv1 Cat Baghnaks could still do this skillchain with their puppet, and even if you're to assume the puppet dies afterward every time that's still at least every 20 minutes.

Not that I necessarily agree with PUP now being the top DD, but it's not like every 75 DRK is running around with a KC/relic scythe and pulling this stuff off on every pull in a merit party.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

This requires a very specific condition that, in endgame fights and dire situations, can be completely nullified by AoE. Its a neat trick, most of the time it won't be used.

In the event the community starts levelling it like mad just to exploit it, expect a swift and just nerf. I'm actually surprised SE would allow a desparation manuver like this in the game.

[Malacite]

Yeah but that's not the point. My point is that DRK is still technically the most powerful DD in the game, and no one can dispute that, conditional or not.


I don't see any PUPs (or any other job for that matter) dealing 27000+ damage in only 23 seconds.

[Feba]

I'm actually surprised SE would allow a desparation manuver like this in the game.

Kalokoko says screw you.

[Guren]

The fact still remains, in terms of overall damage, PUP can out parse a Dark Knight easily. The fact that a DRK can do that with Kraken Club is not important because that is once every 2 hours and needs much help.

Puppetmasters using Magic Motar is very easy too. Even with the AoE puppetmaster can work well around it. All we have to do it drain the MP and let the automaton get hit by the AoE to drain its HP, weapon skill, and repair.

With that said, PUP still remains an incredible damage dealer and can be done even bare handed. I tried doing this with no attachments exept inhibitor. The magic motar still did 1.8k damage and a 1.8k light.

Now that is very cheap in gil to make that steady damage. With about 50k more into the job you can breach 3k in damage and 3k in the skillchain.

Puppetmaster most likely will -Not- get nerfed because of the extensive amount of work it takes to set it up. Yes, once it is set up, it is absolutely amazing. The factor in the matter is the time it takes to do it.

I just love puppetmasters and all the puppetmaster fans on FFXI. Stay true to your job and help prove puppetmasters can do great along the side of other jobs.

~Guren

P.S. - Edit - Even without Magic Motar, with the new Ranger Automaton weapon skill, the ranger automaton can parse even higher then it did before! I have hit up to a 2.3k WS on the automaton. No, that was not on a Greater Colibri, that was on a Hilltroll Warrior.

Puppetmasters still have the ability to spam hateless Blizzard IV's for massive damage as well.

Cast -> Deactivate -> Activate -> Cast and so on. With the good attachments PUPs can get, I have been able to over nuke a good black mage with great equips on. Blizzard IV with even 2 Ice Manuevers up makes it on par with an actual black mage. With 3 Ice Manuevers it is overkill.

Yes, the puppetmaster is as good as the player. No one should judge an entire job on how some players play the job. I have seen many paladins play to 75 and get full relic and do many amazing things, but the paladin was not even the greatest of tanks. Every job has a bad point and not just PUP. This is the fact I am trying to prove.

Thanks for reading everyone. I really want to help motivate all the players to give PUP a chance more often if they see one seeking.

~Guren

[nanatsu]

Thanks for reading everyone. I really want to help motivate all the players to give PUP a chance more often if they see one seeking.

~Guren

Well to be honest, boasting like this:

Puppetmasters become very dominant and the highest DD to date.

I am finally able to laugh in other jobs faces like they have done to all of us PUP's since it came out.

kinda defeats the purpose. To me it borders on being full of yourself, and that's just as bad as those saying lolpup in the first place. PUP has not been the only job to be treated that way and jobs that were on the top in the past were knocked down just as easily. I know you're pleased about the boost, but don't use it as an excuse to try to lower other jobs. Just because they boosted your ws abilities doesn't mean they might not nerf something else to compensate for it if it gets abused.

[Guren]

Understood. I am also a Dragoon though and even us Dragoons did not get this kind of treatment. I have gone afk for like 6 days and not one invite.

[Malacite]

Puppetmaster most likely will -Not- get nerfed because of the extensive amount of work it takes to set it up. Yes, once it is set up, it is absolutely amazing. The factor in the matter is the time it takes to do it.

Which is nothing compared to acquiring an Apocalypse or K Club, and yet SE still nerfed Haste because of people using Rune Chopper to set up their haste builds. I'm thinking SE's going to nerf this @ some point as well.

And you require to be within 1~10% HP? That's pretty damned risky against some mobs. Good luck even getting a chance of using that on something like Omega Ultima. (Don't even think about AV)


Again I'm not trying to diminish PUP here; I think this is very, very cool. I just find you're being blatantly and outrageously arrogant and as Nan pointed out, just as bad as the lolpup people.

Besides there's just something satisfying about seeing a DRK essentially selling their souls for insane god-like power :evil:

What Apoc/KC DRK does is real accomplishment (at least in the case of Apocalypse) and a just reward for the ludicrous amount of time and money it takes to get that far. IMO, it's awesome that both jobs can deal out this level of damage and as such both should be happy with that.

[Guren]

Which is nothing compared to acquiring an Apocalypse or K Club, and yet SE still nerfed Haste because of people using Rune Chopper to set up their haste builds. I'm thinking SE's going to nerf this @ some point as well.

And you require to be within 1~10% HP? That's pretty damned risky against some mobs. Good luck even getting a chance of using that on something like Omega Ultima. (Don't even think about AV)


Again I'm not trying to diminish PUP here; I think this is very, very cool. I just find you're being blatantly and outrageously arrogant and as Nan pointed out, just as bad as the lolpup people.

Besides there's just something satisfying about seeing a DRK essentially selling their souls for insane god-like power :evil:

What Apoc/KC DRK does is real accomplishment (at least in the case of Apocalypse) and a just reward for the ludicrous amount of time and money it takes to get that far. IMO, it's awesome that both jobs can deal out this level of damage and as such both should be happy with that.

Wrong, we tested a new way to use it effectively. Use massive HP minusing gear on the PUP and then role reversal at the start. Right away you will have instant low HP on automaton. Once he does Magic motar you can Ventriloquy to get rid of hate and then repair the automaton and do it again.

Amazingness is over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Pointing to your WS to argue who is top DD is soooooo 2004. Most FFXI players grew out of this phase just like the grew out of looking at EXP per kill and started looking at EXP per hour.

Really, its all about damage over time. Parse damage ver time and Weaponskills together contrast to what other jobs can do for real results.

[Guren]

Pointing to your WS to argue who is top DD is soooooo 2004. Most FFXI players grew out of this phase just like the grew out of looking at EXP per kill and started looking at EXP per hour.

Really, its all about damage over time. Parse damage ver time and Weaponskills together contrast to what other jobs can do for real results.

I normally would totally agree, but before this update all PUP had was their DoT in parties. Now, with this update, we have best of both worlds.

Not sure if I am alone on this, but I have max merits on Puppetmaster including STR, Critical, HP, H2H and all Puppetmaster merits.

I worked hard to be the way I am on Puppetmaster. You may have seen some bad PUP on certain servers , but please everyone, don't judge all of us based on a few bad puppeteers. If we did that to every job then the game would go straight to hell and no one would invite any other job.

Basicly, if we don't stop this, we will turn into WoW lol.

[Malacite]

You have to make sure that automaton doesn't get whacked before the WS goes off.

>_> and you're not seriously arguing that it's easier to obtain the Apocalypse.

[Guren]

You have to make sure that automaton doesn't get whacked before the WS goes off.

>_> and you're not seriously arguing that it's easier to obtain the Apocalypse.

Who is talking about the Apocalypse here?

Anyway, I have never had my automaton die even with AoE monsters. If you are a good enough PUP you know what to do to stay alive.

[Malacite]

>. > you wouldn't say that about some of the nastier mobs, e.g. Absolute Virture or Alexander or Odin. (Radial Sacrament, Zantetsuk, Meteor Aeroga IV etc >_>)



and I brought up Apocalypse a while ago when I first mentioned DRK, or did you just gloss over that completely? Claiming a neat little trick you can do as PUP (and it is pretty impressive make no mistake) is greater than obtaining what's arguably the most powerful weapon in the game (which takes well over a year and hundreds of millions of gil to obtain) is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

Now let's drop this already @.@; like I said before, Go DRK and Go PUP ^^ I <3 both. Actually I suppose I should have posted that other insane video I saw of a DRK single handedly taking out most of a Troll Hoplite's (Sp? The PLD types in Besieged) HP by abusing a KC and Giant's Drink (seriously scary stuff >_> he was popping that damn thing for almost 400 a smack) Makes me wish SE would extend Blood Weapon to a full minute to match Souleater.


Honestly though please use this ub3r WS on something fun like an Open sea mob (I forget what the mob type is, but there was that pic form a while ago of a SMN doing a 6k Flaming crush to it), a Qutrub (closing Light) or good old Boreal Hound. Just for the sake of putting out obscenely high numbers XD

[Guren]

Understood. This has been tested on Kirin. We had 3 PUP in the party spamming this and Kirin dropped pretty damn fast if you ask me.

DRK is an amazing DD no doubt. The fact I was trying to make is that any PUP can do this and not every DRK can be as great as those with Apoc.

Thats all ^_^

[Malacite]

^^b


Kirin is kind of a joke these days now though. You gotta try it up against the more nasty mobs like the CoP Wryms and again, the absolute BS that is Absolute Virtue (who can and will spam Meteor for 2000+ dmg...) and other mobs that just love to whore out the ridiculous AoE attacks.


Still waiting for those Qutrub/Sea results XD I bet ya you can hit 20k easily.

[Khidir]

nice damage but...as far as DoT goes there are more efficient jobs that can do it with much more safe means and in terms of spike damage well...what does that marid con to you?

I like leveling jobs(except lolrdm of course) that are considered "bottom of the barrel" by the majority but you have to concede that there are pups as good as(or better) than you and have considered this. We "bottom of the barrel" jobs have our many strongpoints (the most common soloing) but we also have our finite limits in terms of damage compared to the cookie cutter combos and bandwagon(unfortunately). You may win a few times with spike damage but as far as DoT goes...don't expect to blow the top guns out of the water.

Grats on your damage though

[Malacite]

Nerfed!

Thread Closed? (since SE fixed the WS as I figured they would)

[Thoris]

even though its nerfed you can still do a 1k mm which is not bad. and armor piercer is doing a good 1300+ on birds and other mobs.

by the way before the updates to pup my puppet master was always either 1st or 2nd in the parses. From lv 50-66.

Our Dot is very high, and its hard for other job sto be able to match our dd now, with just Ah gear.

[Guren]

even though its nerfed you can still do a 1k mm which is not bad. and armor piercer is doing a good 1300+ on birds and other mobs.

by the way before the updates to pup my puppet master was always either 1st or 2nd in the parses. From lv 50-66.

Our Dot is very high, and its hard for other job sto be able to match our dd now, with just Ah gear.

Very true. Despite what a lot of people say, PUP is an amazing DoT job. I can be on parse with a Monk for DoT if I add my damage with my automatons damage.

To many people just look at the Puppetmaster's damage and see it is lower compared to other jobs, so they throw it to the wayside. If you look closely, add up the total damage being done by both, you will see PUP was originally made to be a DoT job and not just a spiker.

Before the nerf of MM, PUP had everything going for it. Now, with the nerf, I can still pull out a total combo of about 3.2k easy. Not as great, but, it is less hate towards the automaton, but like I said, if you know how to play your job correctly, everything is hateless for a puppetmaster :cool:

Well, I said mostly everything I wanted to.

Good luck to all future puppetmasters and I hope everyone that read this thread found it helpful or informing.

~Guren