Where Did The Real Mages Go?

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/mpsponge.jpg
What? Paladin taking hits? Really?
I swear Mages nowadays dont even know what tanking is. Most of them think tanking is not tanking damage. No, Tanking is keeping the mobs attention and taking the hits for the party.

So i just want to see what you mages think about Paladins. What do you think when you get an invite to a party and see a Paladin instead of a Ninja tank? What do you think when a tank's HP goes from full to almost half? What do you think about mages who are so spoiled with Blink tanking that they don't even know what to do in situations where a "Paladin takes hits"

God forbid, a Paladin taking hits? No...

I swear the mages in my Dynamis LS where getting pissy because i was taking hate as a Paladin, TRULY skilled Mages would know how to manage their MP to enfeeble, cure, etc, etc. But mages these days are so spoiled, and i mean spoiled with "Colibri onry, all i do is haste the nins and /nins and go afk, look back at the screen, drop a cure V when needed, go back to afk"

Mage's have been kind of getting on my nerves lately, from not doing their jobs in Campaign to whining when a Paladin gets down to Red Health. Where are the real mages, the mages that actually find a thrill in doing what they do instead of just having the job because of invites. where did THOSE mages go?

/rantoff



EDIT:

This isn't MP sponge gear
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/pldgear.jpg

I'll admit my Gear isn't GODLY with Koenig and relic and all that, but atleast im not walking around in 75 with full AF and a cheap shield and like lvl 50 VIT rings.

Paladin has always been my secondary job to lot on, my Bard is ALOT better equipped. But once i finish capping good gear on bard i'll work on Paladin.

SO theres no excuse with this gear that a Mage should be whining, i would understand if i was wearing "wtf gear" but im not. lol

Rings: Jelly and Hercules
Earrings: Buckler and Intruder
Adaman gear, Relic feet, all this i have 300 Shield Skill.

All i need left for Bard is the Sha'ir manteel, and I am set to start lotting for Paladin.

[Murphie]

I <3 Paladins. As any kind of mage, at any level. I'm sorry you've had to deal with those who don't.

[Callisto]

They leveled WAR/NIN and BRD for faster merits.







>.>



Sad, but true. :(

[Ziero]

As a melee, War and Thf, I love Plds.

Because they let me do my job.

Can't say anything from the pov of being a mage though...my highest mage jobs are 10 >_>

[Ellipses]

I only got WHM to 50something last time, but the main thing I always thought when I got an invite to a party with a PLD tank was "Thank god."

[Mhurron]

The whole point of PLD is to get their pretty face beaten into a bloody pulp. I for one am glad it happens to them and not me.

Hey they can even heal themselves to a point. It's like win all around.

Unfortunately it has got to the point that you're going to have to deal with a lot of jackasses to do anything in the game.

[Icemage]

They leveled WAR/NIN and BRD for faster merits.

>.>

Sad, but true. :(
Or they levelled RDM/WHM like me. :p But point still stands.

To be truthful, most of the "pure mage" players have long since hit level 75 on their jobs of choice. It's very rare these days to find someone who plays a mage job that honestly enjoys doing so.


Icemage

[Feba]

preaching, choir, etc.

[Shrayn_lolsam]

It seems that on lower lvl parties, parties gladly accept plds, or seek only them. I noticed as I progressed on my pld (62 atm) The invites have slowed down massivly, they would just overflow when I would get on pld at lower lvls, even without seeking. As I got higher, it seems parties with plds "take to long" to kill, so they perfer more of a melee tank, like nin or something. People are lazy, to put it short.

[Callisto]

Or they levelled RDM/WHM like me. :p But point still stands.

To be truthful, most of the "pure mage" players have long since hit level 75 on their jobs of choice. It's very rare these days to find someone who plays a mage job that honestly enjoys doing so.


Icemage

I'd agree with that in terms of XP. For most events I would prefer to come as RDM just for the level of control and versatility, but I can't friggin stand using it in merits anymore, I almost only party on COR now, and sometimes BRD just to do something different.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I haven't taken to other mage jobs quite like I have SCH, for whatever reason, I feel like I can tolerate healing people on it. People taking damage is just something I accept as part of the game. Its not your real blood you're losing, you're not really going to die. If you do die, you lose some EXP, big whoop.

People cry so much over losing a tiny 500 or 1.5k EXP its just sad. Shit, try levelling COR and RNG where you pay about 500 gil a fight and dying there. Or Beastmaster, ever really try to solo your levels - and by that, I mean BEYOND sub level?

If you want to sit here and insist to me NIN or PLD/NIN is better than straight blood tanking, I might give you that, in a merit PT, that may be the case. Its not the best way for all situations, though. /WAR helps with enmity generation, it cannot be denied. Generating enmity is part of the point to tanking.

Really, if you pick up a mage job and talk about "MP Sponges" all the time, we kinda just get you were in it for the merits and nothing else, we know you're the guy who will put WHM on your HNMLS application and show up THF or PUP. Or maybe they're just out to get any endgame gear they could because they couldn't hack it at a melee job.

If Selphiie had bad gear for a PLD in Dynamis, the bickering would perhaps be understandable, but I know her to keep respectable PLD gear and generally takes damage well.

[Telera]

I <3 Paladins. As any kind of mage, at any level. I'm sorry you've had to deal with those who don't.

That was me before I left the game. I preferred a Paladin to a Ninja any day. I had nothing but love for Paladins.

[Vyuru]

Where are the real mages, the mages that actually find a thrill in doing what they do instead of just having the job because of invites. where did THOSE mages go?


As a lvl 45 rdm/blm, who repeatedly stated in party chat that I am coming rdm/blm.... I got sick and tired of people asking me for Haste, Erase, Poisona (and the Poisona was when we had a whm too....) and other spells I don't have..... Constantly asking for Refresh after I give it to the person... I got fed up with it. I like playing mage jobs, but I darn well expect the other players to notice that yes in fact I did stick you with Refresh, you can stop spamming you OMG Refresh macro. Tired of obscenities thrown at me when I point out that a lvl 45 rdm does not have access to Haste, tired of the fact that the whm always liked to leave me with Poisona duties and go nuke with Banish when I am enfeebling, MBing on the SC, and doing about 40% of the healing, oh, and the fact that I'm like, rdm/blm and can't Poisona people, which the party darn well knew at the start. I don't mind a whm tossing out nukes, but not to the detriment of their main job as party healer.

I started out liking Rdm quite a bit actually, got burned out by the parties I was in though, I couldn't stand the people in them.

On the one hand I really wanna level Whm at some point, on the other hand I really don't want to. Whm is one of those jobs where I'm completely psyched up about the merited abilities you can gain and I'd want to merit most/all of them. I will however be meriting my Drg abilities, and won't really have any merits to spare for Whm abilities, so I'll hold off on taking whm beyond 37 for the time being.

But yeah, first part of my post is probably the main reason why I don't play whm or rdm anymore, despite initially enjoying them. Whm isn't as bad as Rdm normally, but still, since I did alot of backup curing as Rdm, my dislike of Rdm kind of carried over into Whm.

[Coinspinner]

On the opposite end of the spectrum is me. I have incredibly low standards and will accept anything that Provokes as a tank. No Refresh, no problem. The more of a struggle it is to keep the party alive, the more fun I'm having. If the exp/hour is positive, that's awesome!

Bring me your noobs, your gimps, your ill-prepared masses yearning to leech exp. Send these, the skill-less, perpetually-lost to me, I lift my Pilgrim's Wand beside Banishing Gate #1!

:wasted:

[Iarendiel]

I <3 Paladins as tanks. As a Bard, I static'd with one from 55-75, and wouldn't have it any different. As a White Mage, I love knowing that so long as I don't become a cure bomb/flashing fool, it is likely I will never get smacked around by the mob. This makes me happy. :biggrin: Better one tank getting hate, than having to worry about the NIN, the WAR backup tanking, and the occasional hate from the DRK. Which really isn't even the point, as I'm not a PLD only kind of person, but I find it funny that people nowadays actually expect the PLD to mimic a NIN or other tank in damage taken.

I think people have become a little more concerned with the 'easiest' way through ffxi, as opposed to playing the game for what it really is.

[Celeal]

IMHO, there are good and bad players for across all roles, to be fair. It is just when a mage sucks in the party, it is very clear and explicit to be noticed by the party members.

[Satimasu]

Nothing but respect for PLD's. For me, PLD over NIN any day for a tank. I am old school though and like the traditional party setups.

[IfritnoItazura]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/mpsponge.jpg
What? Paladin taking hits? Really?
I swear Mages nowadays dont even know what tanking is. Most of them think tanking is not tanking damage. No, Tanking is keeping the mobs attention and taking the hits for the party.
Damage mitigation is a part of tanking, though, even for PLD. The less damage you take, the less enmity you lose--obviously a PLD is not a NIN, but I bled MP slower with a good PLD in exp and merit parties than a bad NIN.

There are MP sponge PLDs, and there are PLDs who are not.

So i just want to see what you mages think about Paladins. What do you think when you get an invite to a party and see a Paladin instead of a Ninja tank?
PLD is fine.

What do you think when a tank's HP goes from full to almost half?
Depends on how fast and how often.

I swear the mages in my Dynamis LS where getting pissy because i was taking hate as a Paladin, TRULY skilled Mages would know how to manage their MP to enfeeble, cure, etc, etc.
The Dynamis LS I'm in uses PLD/WAR's as tanks exclusively. I think the only PLD people grumble about is the one who keeps using great sword and DD gear--he's the MP sponge.

But mages these days are so spoiled, and i mean spoiled with "Colibri onry, all i do is haste the nins and /nins and go afk, look back at the screen, drop a cure V when needed, go back to afk"
Since about 3 out 5 merit parties I've had as RDM were on Greater Colibris, I can assure you it's quite a bit busier than you made it seem.

Mage's have been kind of getting on my nerves lately, from not doing their jobs in Campaign to whining when a Paladin gets down to Red Health. Where are the real mages, the mages that actually find a thrill in doing what they do instead of just having the job because of invites. where did THOSE mages go?
MP sponge PLDs have been getting on my nerves recently; they don't need to take that much damage, but they intentionally use Great Sword or DD gears for no good reason.

Oh, and melees whining about mages not spending all their time in campaign battles cycling through random people to cure them. I have zero sympathy for those whiners--bring a job combo with survivability, or invite healers. It's not my job to look for people to cure while soloing in campaigns.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Since about 3 out 5 merit parties I've had as RDM were on Greater Colibris, I can assure you it's quite a bit busier than you made it seem.

I know RDMs like to think they're doing a lot for a merit PT, but let's face it, merit PTs are 90% BRD and 10% AFK mages and Melee. Only one person really is there putting in 110%. There's a reason Pink Mage bores RDMs to tears and, sorry, you're not potentially as good a puller as BRD or COR are. When a RDM is asked to pull, that's because they couldn't get a COR or BRD in party.

[Lanih]

I love good tanks, NIN and PLD both.

I have a soft spot for PLD's though.. Maybe it's because I have some 'traditional girl' traits left in me and PLD is as close as you can get to a knight in shining armour ;P I love the whole idea of the job, and have been thinking about leveling it myself too.

Nowadays, as a DNC, my love for PLD's has just grown stronger. I've been asked to heal a lot, and I've noticed with PLD-tanks things usually go pretty smooth. I've had a couple of close calls with NIN's, but none so far with PLD's.

PLD+DNC in a PT is made of so much win. Throw in someone who can toss out emergency cures if something goes wrong, and you almost certainly have a smooth-going party. Assuming your members know how to do their jobs, of course.

I'm an ex-WHM, and I remember never being afraid with a Paladin. I knew they would not die from the first 'oops' someone makes. Of course, good NIN's are like that too, but as a healer Paladins were always easier and much more fun to look after ^^

[Quetzalcoatl]

a well geared PLD is better than a NIN i think

im lvl'n WHM now i like PLD more than NIN PLD can take a lot of hits and can hold hate better than a NIN IMO

and if a nin loose his Shadows he can go from full HP to 0 in like 4 hits maybe less if fighting Colibries... so love PLD's who know how to do their job.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/pldgear.jpg

I'll admit my Gear isn't GODLY with Koenig and relic and all that, but atleast im not walking around in 75 with full AF and a cheap shield and like lvl 50 VIT rings.

Paladin has always been my secondary job to lot on, my Bard is ALOT better equipped. But once i finish capping good gear on bard i'll work on Paladin.

SO theres no excuse with this gear that a Mage should be whining, i would understand if i was wearing "wtf gear" but im not. lol

Rings: Jelly and Hercules
Earrings: Buckler and Intruder
Adaman gear, Relic feet, all this i have 300 Shield Skill.

All i need left for Bard is the Sha'ir manteel, and I am set to start lotting for Paladin.

[IfritnoItazura]

I know RDMs like to think they're doing a lot for a merit PT, but let's face it, merit PTs are 90% BRD and 10% AFK mages and Melee.
Only half of my merit parties have BRD or COR, on average. (The hazard of taking nearly all invites. *shrug* )

With or without them, it's nearly non-stop spell casting to me. Honestly, if you really pay attention to what a good RDM does in Colibri parties, you'd find them quite active, and quite busy.

If you saying BRDs are busier than RDMs, I'll have to refer you to Icemage, who plays both; I've no personal experience with playing BRD at that level beyond watching my sister.

AFK mage? :rofl: I barely have time to breathe, much less go AFK.

[Murphie]

Not that I'm denying that BRD is incredibly busy in meripo - BBQ is right on the money there - but as a RDM, I wish I'd had time to AFK. It just didn't happen. Sure, it's because I was performing the same handful of tasks over and over again like a damned robot, but I was still very busy with it.

[Saren]

uhh *waves a hand*

So i just want to see what you mages think about Paladins. What do you think when you get an invite to a party and see a Paladin instead of a Ninja tank? What do you think when a tank's HP goes from full to almost half? What do you think about mages who are so spoiled with Blink tanking that they don't even know what to do in situations where a "Paladin takes hits"

I love plds.
Yay relaxed party!
Ooooo I get to cure 5 (It's a smug thing, I don't care what other nifty JAs and spells your job has, can you give someone 780+ health in 5 seconds? I didn't think so :D)
Actually have slight sympathy for the whms who don't understand how pld tank. Pre 55 I think I had 2 pld tanks total, one for only half an hour. If you never see anything but nin in exp then struggling to adjust is going to be understandable. I'm really lucky that I had a pld join my exp static at 55, 55-75 was great fun.

nin tanks - hair trigger reflex cures required, not much mileage/use out of regen, scared DDs and stressed backline.

pld tanks - regen is safe and covers almost all the curing, you aren't so worried about them being one/two shotted, relaxed DDs who are able to go for more damage and relaxed backline.

My Dynamis shell uses pretty much all pld tanks all, the main tank party is always pld*4, rdm, whm and it's usually a cake walk.

[Losrase]

As a BLM and BLU I have nothing but <3 for Paladins. I get extremely happy when I see a Paladin in the group when I join a party. It always means I have a higher hate line to play with.

On a side note: Caladin on Phoenix Server, you are the shiznit. I have never seen a Paladin hold hate with a one voke/Flash head start on Fenrir and held hate for 3/4 of the battle with a BLM.

PLD/WAR, BLM/RDM, RNG/??, WHM/??, SAM/??, and BLM/WHM

I was told to go off and hold nothing back. I cast Burn, then chain nuke tier 4 spells until I ran out of mp, yag drink, Manafont, Chain tier 4 nukes again, Manafont wore(about half way though Manafont is about where I got Fenrir's attention from Caladin), had enough mp for 1 more Tier 4, and then a Tier 2 nuke. Fenrir ate through blink, stoneskin + phalanx, and then Caladin used Cover (I was shock, first and only time I seen a Paladin use Cover). Two rounds later, Fenrir drops to the ground.

[Neomage]

Paladins are my favorite tank. In 95% of situations, I would rather see a paladin instead of a ninja. In the other 5%, I want to see the elemental wheel flying past me so fast I actually have to look for my nukes amongst the flurry of light and sound dancing around that mob.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

I wonder if it will get to the point where mages will despise lvling with PLDs...because of being spoiled with NIN or /NIN onry.

[Sevv]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/ScreenshotsFFXI/pldgear.jpg

I'll admit my Gear isn't GODLY with Koenig and relic and all that, but atleast im not walking around in 75 with full AF and a cheap shield and like lvl 50 VIT rings.

Paladin has always been my secondary job to lot on, my Bard is ALOT better equipped. But once i finish capping good gear on bard i'll work on Paladin.

SO theres no excuse with this gear that a Mage should be whining, i would understand if i was wearing "wtf gear" but im not. lol

Rings: Jelly and Hercules
Earrings: Buckler and Intruder
Adaman gear, Relic feet, all this i have 300 Shield Skill.

All i need left for Bard is the Sha'ir manteel, and I am set to start lotting for Paladin.


Trust me your gear for not being a Big endgame player is more then fine. You don't even wanna see the gear equips on plds I have seen while being back on ifrit. I have plenty of merit whore jobs leveled as well as both tanks. Personally I burn if I want merits, but when I am leveling a job into the late 60s vs early 70s I prefer to see Paladins if I am on a damage dealer job.

[Coinspinner]

I wonder if it will get to the point where mages will despise lvling with PLDs...because of being spoiled with NIN or /NIN onry.

I really doubt it, unless you mean specifically lvl 70+ and meripo. I've pulled hate off NIN with Accession+Enblizzard, and that's in battles where I just buffed and debuffed. I've seen good NIN, but I find PLD much more reliable.

Then again I also invite SAM/WAR to tank sometimes. :P

[Firewind]

I've not had the game for long but from what I have seen it really depends on the player. I have been in a party where the Paladin was a useless tank who had no idea how to hold hate which resulted in the Damage dealers (A Black Mage and a Samurai) and the White Mage (me) drawing pretty much all of the hate resulting in the fastest wipe I've ever seen. The Paladin didn't even provoke until after half of the party had died and there was nobody there to keep him healed.

On the other hand I've seen some bad mages. A few nights ago I saw a red Mage who did nothing but melee. He didn't bother to enfeeble or backup heal so I found myself regularly running out of MP due to having to main heal alone in the Dunes and having to keep up the enfeebles. Then there was the Black Mage this morning who wouldn't stop nuking and died about 3 times in a row.

I'm really sorry to hear that you ran into some bad mages. Like I said I'm fairly new at the game (I'm only at Lv14) but I do enjoy being a White Mage. It can get frustrating and hair-pulling at times but I really love that job. And to be honest from what I have played I find that Tanks are much more enjoyable to party with because they don't need babysitting. I have partied with a ninja before and he needed almost constant supervision while the Paladin only needed a cure every now and then.

[hongman]

I think it is much easier to generate fast hate with PLD/WAR that NIN/WAR sure, but each has their own drawbacks and advantages.

I wont even begin to list them, and I dont really have a preference in endgame. Meripo, which I dont do very often anyway (manaburn waaaay less stressful/interesting/etc) I'd prefer a NIN tank. In the typical TP Burn, good NIN tanks w3ill draw in more exp/hr than with a good PLD tank. But that's only my perference in meripo.

In endgame stuffs, RDM/NIN/PLD - all good, so long as they know what they are doing.

[Celeal]

In general, PLD tank is safer in exp. party, NIN tank is higher risk but higher reward.

I had level both PLD and NIN to the lvl 70~. NIN tank take "little" damage in "every" exp. party is a misconception. If the setting is right, yes, NIN tank is awesome: Slow hitting mobs, Haste the NIN, NIN use his tools, some hate control from party's help..... However, look at the favorite exp. camp in ToAU area, those mobs are there to destroy blink tanking (as main tank, non TP-burn style).

After all those PLD's adjustment (Auto Refresh, Shield, JA, etc), the gap between NIN tank and PLD tank in terms of taking damage, is bridged. Nowadays the mages have easier time with PLD tanks in exp. parties, much easier than the time when I level my PLD before those PLD's adjustments.

[Nataka]

When I was a w hite mage I actually prefered paladins. Most ninjas tended to get hit a lot even after level 37. I can also cure a paladin without as much fear of reprisal, since they can hold hate sooooooooooooo much better. @_@

[hongman]

Lets not start comparing good PLD's with bad NIN's and vice versa :P

[Somnar]

I also tend to prefer PLD tanks (I don't do endgame stuff, so I have no comment there). While I have seen some NINs that can hold hate pretty well, they tend to take a lot more "spike" damage when shadows are down. Whereas, with PLDs, you can generally just regen and toss the occasional cure.

[Kitalrez]

I used to like PLDs on WHM when I was playing it full time, it was nice to have someone I knew could take a few hits. When I switched over to SMN, the types of mobs we were doing (CoP), were more the slow, hard hitting ones like dhalmels, in which case NIN tanks really shined. I liked the fact that NIN could avoid the damage and I could actually play SMN for a bit, pulling out avatars, Earthen Wards, etc. Since TAU, though, things have swung the other way. PLD is actually better against those mobs, since they hit fast, but not very hard. For something with high def and high shield skill, that translates to less damage over time and not burning through NIN tools like the alternative. I think PLD is still suffering from the post CoP backlash, where they weren't the best option at the time. Hopefully that changes with time. We're a lot older playerbase now, people have bad habits built up and several jobs leveled. You're going to see bad players and people set in doing things a certain way. It'll be kind of like DRG was, where you have to convince people you're useful in a party.

On a WHM, though, nothing really beats switching off Flash with the tank... each one is like a Cure V or Cure IV I never have to cast.

[Eiyoko]

T_T

I love Paladins!

To me, when it comes to a PLD versus Ninja tank, I normally chose Paladins because I've had many good experiences with them. For one, they not only have some (imo) powerful tools to keep hate - a good cure can grab any mob's attention - but they also don't have to spend craploads of money to actually do the tanking, so I don't have to hear at some point "I'm out of shihei" or anything like that.

I'm not against them, but many ninjas I've met tend to have egos. Maybe because being rich enough to play ninja gets to their head?

Ninja tanks do have areas where they shine, yes, and I've met some awesome ninjas, but I'll always <3 Paladin tanks.

[Pteryx]

IME, good PLD = good NIN, but mediocre PLD > mediocre NIN. PLD tanking is harder to screw up, so I feel safer when I see a PLD tank; the presence of a PLD means that unless the player is a total moron, we'll probably be fine in the tanking department. And yes, I love the opportunity to get the most out of Regen III. :)

That said, there is such a thing as an MP sponge PLD -- and it has little to do with gear and everything to do with being that total moron. I've encountered PLDs who, believe it or not, don't self-heal. They seem to believe that their MP pool is there for Flash alone, and lean on others for curing. Not only does this mean that they're draining party resources, but it also means that they don't hold hate very well. -- Pteryx

[Yellow Mage]

Paladins actually have a slightly better Healing Magic Skill than Red Mages.

Use it whenever you can.

[IfritnoItazura]

That said, there is such a thing as an MP sponge PLD -- and it has little to do with gear and everything to do with being that total moron. I've encountered PLDs who, believe it or not, don't self-heal. They seem to believe that their MP pool is there for Flash alone, and lean on others for curing. Not only does this mean that they're draining party resources, but it also means that they don't hold hate very well. -- Pteryx

Well, to be fair, I've seen PLDs who terrible at tanking due to bad gearing. (Great Sword? No shield? What the heck?!) Then, there's the Galka PLD, with a whopping native MP of 143 at Lv.75--they are just a bit more dependent on MP/enmity gear than say, a Tarutaru.

Between Refresh, Auto Refresh, Sanction, and Parade Gorget (to a lesser extend), a PLD gets roughly 5+ MP/tick on average, assuming the RDM isn't overlapping Refresh so there are a few second gap between applications of the spell. That's 100 MP/min, or a little over. (Definitely under 120 MP/min.) Flash every 40 seconds (which is possible if PLD has Haste) works out to be 36 MP/min, that leaves 66 MP/min for curing (86 MP/min with Parade Gorget and white HP full-time).

Cure III is 46 MP, which means a PLD can't sustain two Cure III a minute, unless he has buffer MP going into the fight. Quite a few PLDs don't even bother with Cure III, and instead only uses the 88 MP Cure IV, no matter if they are missing 600 HP or 200 HP, or if the mages are casting large cures or not.

Obviously, Flashing less frequently will leave more MP for cures, but that's likely counter productive for both enmity generation and MP conservation.

* * *

Not just PLDs, but I've seen RDM's dropping Cure IV's on PLDs and nothing but. Never understood that.

* * *

I still chuckle a little every time someone mentions that a Galka PLD can't raise without MP gear or merit. :biggrin:

[TheGrandMom]

That said, there is such a thing as an MP sponge PLD -- and it has little to do with gear and everything to do with being that total moron. I've encountered PLDs who, believe it or not, don't self-heal. They seem to believe that their MP pool is there for Flash alone, and lean on others for curing. Not only does this mean that they're draining party resources, but it also means that they don't hold hate very well. -- Pteryx

I know exactly what you mean Pteryx! A pld that dies with full mp and b**ches at the healer who has next to no mp! Been there and done that way too many times. I do agree that there are way too many spoiled mages that were power leveled by lsmates and then merit with nins and /nins so they can watch tv. Then they app to your hnm, get in, and you think they bought the damn account they suck sooooooooooooooo badly! I, for one, am a mage that enjoys healing; even on my rdm/whm! :P

[Kirbster]

Coming from both a RDM75 and PLD75, I love my PLD's. :biggrin:

I was in a static from mid 20's to mid 60's with a RL PLD friend, it was the best thing to have a tank you could trust.

More on topic: I've always been more on the blood-tanking side of things, You'll usually see me as PLD/RDM or RDM/PLD when i'm soloing.

Seeing a PLD, or any tank for that matter, getting hit and taking damage is such a normal occurance in this game. I really admired PLD's while i was playing around on RDM and WHM, the fact that could they take damage with a smile, and dish it back was awesome.




Off topic: BBQ, I'm surprised you said RDM's in merit parties can just AFK. I've always thought of fellow BRDs, CORs, WHMs, and RDMs in the same boat as me when i was main healing merit parties. Meaning we did most of the work, while the DDs got to swing their weapon of choice for a couple hours and recast Ni once in awhile.

[kai_samoht]

In all the pt's I've been in, and thats only rdm to 50/51, I love PLD sooo much more then NIN's. It just seems that you don't get as much of the mob running towards the mages if you have a PLD tank as opposed to the NIN Blink tank. Even if NIN is subbed WAR. PLD/WAR is better IMO!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Off topic: BBQ, I'm surprised you said RDM's in merit parties can just AFK. I've always thought of fellow BRDs, CORs, WHMs, and RDMs in the same boat as me when i was main healing merit parties. Meaning we did most of the work, while the DDs got to swing their weapon of choice for a couple hours and recast Ni once in awhile.

I'd include RDM if more than one out of every five gave my COR Haste. :P

[Aksannyi]

I was under the impresson that Haste didn't affect ranged attacks. I'm not completely familiar with Corsairs, but since they're on JA timers for rolls, wouldn't those also not be affected by Haste?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't do much partying with Corsairs and maybe there's something I'm missing.

[Callisto]

I was under the impresson that Haste didn't affect ranged attacks. I'm not completely familiar with Corsairs, but since they're on JA timers for rolls, wouldn't those also not be affected by Haste?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't do much partying with Corsairs and maybe there's something I'm missing.

Haste doesn't affect ranged attacks, that's correct...however the standard for good CORs is meleeing for TP with a Joyeuse. Just watch what they're doing, if they're shooting for TP you're fine, if they're swinging for it then Haste them.

And yeah, I've been hasted as COR in one party. Ever.

[Aksannyi]

Ahh, okay then. I haste anyone who hits the mob. Unless it's another RDM or a BRD or something else that shouldn't be meleeing.

[Callisto]

:O Blasphemer!

I'll have you know I have a very nice melee BRD set. Even better once I get N.Hands uncursed! I need a Blau, lol.

[Aksannyi]

Bards are too busy to melee in merit parties. If they're not too busy, they're doing it wrong.

[Kirbster]

I don't even remember the last time i partied with a COR. If s/he was meleeing, then sure, Haste away.

[Audioma]

So far, (49 WHM as main) I prefer having a PLD, because I get to exercise XD

I love the way my mind wanders while having PLD in an exp party:

"Agh! His HP's in the red- oh wait...nevermind. Cure III :/"

"He needs it now! No...mmk, just Haste and Regen then..."

"....I still have MP. *confuzzled*"




I have no problem with NIN, but when I look back at going through Kazham...

"WHO LIVES IN A PINEAPPLE UNDER THE SEA?"

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Haste doesn't affect ranged attacks, that's correct...however the standard for good CORs is meleeing for TP with a Joyeuse. Just watch what they're doing, if they're shooting for TP you're fine, if they're swinging for it then Haste them.

And yeah, I've been hasted as COR in one party. Ever.

I swear I always get hasted in Campaign, yet its very hit-or-miss in EXP/merit PTs.

And yet when I'm on RNG, I somehow always get haste in EXP/merit, even though I never melee and its all ranged attacks. I wouldn't argue if I had a KC or Ridill, but Haste ain't doin' nothing for me there otherwise.

[Neomage]

I miss the old days of FFXI before Aht Urgan. It is probably not to much the expansion itself, but the fact that the expansion promoted a certain mentality that has spread like wildfire. It's not just with FFXI though, a lot of MMOs are like this now... I have almost given up on online games all together.

Remember when people would be willing to try just about any party setup, or go to just about any camp? When people would group up because it was fun, not because they had to? When people would help you out because they wanted to, not because they needed to guilt-trip you into helping them with their mission?

I miss those days...

[Armando]

Neomage: I used to miss those days. Every time I do I remember how WARs would show up with a sword and shield, THFs would melee DEX rings, people would perpetually train the same gob in Yhoator Jungle over and over again, and everyone overhunted even more so than they do now. General stupidity all around. Then I don't miss them quite so much =P

But I do miss the SCs and MBs.

[TheGrandMom]

I miss the old days of FFXI before Aht Urgan. It is probably not to much the expansion itself, but the fact that the expansion promoted a certain mentality that has spread like wildfire. It's not just with FFXI though, a lot of MMOs are like this now... I have almost given up on online games all together.

Remember when people would be willing to try just about any party setup, or go to just about any camp? When people would group up because it was fun, not because they had to? When people would help you out because they wanted to, not because they needed to guilt-trip you into helping them with their mission?

I miss those days...

Yes, I totally understand. Back in the day when the internet was basically a big BBS it was a lot different. I have friends that I made over 20 years ago that I meet with irl, been godparent to their children, etc. Nowadays, no way. There are so few people I'd even give my phone number to let alone meet irl. Its not just mmo's that have changed, the internet has changed too.

[Neomage]

Neomage: I used to miss those days. Every time I do I remember how WARs would show up with a sword and shield, THFs would melee DEX rings, people would perpetually train the same gob in Yhoator Jungle over and over again, and everyone overhunted even more so than they do now. General stupidity all around. Then I don't miss them quite so much =P

But I do miss the SCs and MBs.

Warriors still show up with swords and shields, and in some rare cases, a spear. Then just tend to be so annoying and idiotic in general you forget about what weapon they are using. And don't even talk to me about overhunting. Two words: Caedarva Mire. Moon was NEVER that crowded.

[Balfree]

I'll fill your HP anytime you want Selphs.

o.o

[Raydeus]

The game was way more fun back then, people would actually care about mobs running around near them and even make alliances to kill the gob by the gate to Khazam. :biggrin:

Now it seems no one can play without a calculator and a parser. :wasted: "ZOMG my dps dropped .1!!" yeah, fun times.