The DRG Solo Guide (Disbanded) ; Response

[LadyKiKi]

Hello! I have somewhat recently recieved a PM about my DRG Solo Guide (Back in.... August) and this has been a work in progress (well, on and off) since 2006 when I first got DRG to 75. I haven't checked the site in a long time, partly because it was blocked at work and I had limited internet time.

Since the arrival of ToAU (I got DRG to 75 solo just a couple of weeks before ToAU was released), the discovery of soloing via Beastmen's Pets and then more fixes to DRG, at the times I want to put work into my guide I've felt it is becoming more and more ... redundant.

For what my situation was at the time, I took those little 2 hours a day in between work/university to solo it to 75, which included the spam of the ENM60 down in Mine Shaft #xxxx and the Escort Quest. I must say that the method I did was basically: 60-62 (about) was done in Crawler's Nest, then I moved to Labyrinth of Onzozo at 63~66 then from 66-75 I did it in Bostaunieux Oubliette fighting ... bats and dogs. It was ... really safe, and I had no trouble at all. There was no EXP chains involved. :biggrin:

But just bear in mind, I do plough through the mobs pretty fast.

It was more or less pure willpower, I suppose and also them mobs weren't exactly hard so it was easy to do other stuff. Looking back and now, I do not think anyone would want to follow the guide.

So what are my intentions? I've got quite a pretty guide here I believe. What I am planning to do is to simplify it a little bit while retaining the details for anyone deciding to do start up and I will give suggestions of camps up to 60, but I don't think anyone would want to do so. Beastmen Pets are so much easier, why waste time? :P

EDIT: Just to add a bit more, I forgotten about WoTG. With the introduction of campaign, it has further more made the guide useless. Just thought I'd add that. Any level 61+ can get somewhat decent EXP/Notes in Campaign while seeking.

And the aftermath, what I did after I soloed DRG to 75:

I then got BST to 75 and joined "TheFlock", Quetza's all pet LS (mainly composed of BSTs, SMNs and a couple of PUPs)
After that I took PLD from 1 to 75 subbing BST.
Then I took RDM to 75 subbing BST.
And I am currently now working on NIN to 75 subbing BST (@62 at the time of writing this).

I plan to take DRK, WHM, BLU or THF to 75 doing the same afterwards.

Granted, my partying ability is complete shite. I totally did not refresh the SMN during a mission run last night for ToAU42. I forgot he ... was there. We won anyway. And I lack a lot of de-facto RDM gear. (Cape, belt, earrings, rings, neck)

Silly Note: I tank as a PLD75/WAR29 :rofl:
Working on WAR soon to 37 at least, I'm just lazy about it.

Some media (2006):

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj3/kikidash/before.jpg
I expected to reach 75. But for some reason didn't. Upon checking my EXP ...

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj3/kikidash/after.jpg
And fixed!

[Spinnthrift]

I realise I'm going to sound thoroughly elitest with my next comment... but:

I present to you all the above - a classic case of why people have been saying lolDrg for years.

Level your SJ's if you want to be taken seriously. Showing us pics of you without having made the effort to get a basic SJ sorted - shows us that your guide would have the same care taken. I realise this is blunt and not nice, but - you sound utterly proud of your acheivements which appear to be a consistent case of laziness... and we want you advising genuine newbies why?

[Sevv]

I realise I'm going to sound thoroughly elitest with my next comment... but:

I present to you all the above - a classic case of why people have been saying lolDrg for years.

Level your SJ's if you want to be taken seriously. Showing us pics of you without having made the effort to get a basic SJ sorted - shows us that your guide would have the same care taken. I realise this is blunt and not nice, but - you sound utterly proud of your acheivements which appear to be a consistent case of laziness... and we want you advising genuine newbies why?

You are well aware that she subbed blm to warp back after 75 right?

[Skoal]

I realize I'm going to sound thoroughly elitist with my next comment... but:

I present to you all the above - a classic case of why people have been saying lolDrg for years.

Level your SJ's if you want to be taken seriously. Showing us pics of you without having made the effort to get a basic SJ sorted - shows us that your guide would have the same care taken. I realize this is blunt and not nice, but - you sound utterly proud of your achievements which appear to be a consistent case of laziness... and we want you advising genuine newbies why?

Wow you are an idiot. Why not lolpld since his/her pld is 75 and war is 29 and thats how he/she tanks? You do realize that if this person were to take their rdm and get it to 75 (or already have it at 75), that the blm sub would still be less than 37? Would that be lolrdm then?

[Spinnthrift]

If that's the case - then she's too cheap to buy warp items and should be disregarded also as such. If that was not only the case Sevv, then why is it such a boon that she tanks Pld 75/War 29...

Oh wait.. no.. that's because.. she needs Warp with that too right? Or was too lazy to walk the 30s to get out of Oubliette without being gimp as anything?Did you fail to read her espousing how shite her gear is on Rdm, or how she couldn't play correctly in a party or... AND SO ON.

Is that really the kind of person you want giving advice to those who don't know well enough to say "I don't think that advice is sound."? Please tell me it's so Sevv.

Skoal - I meant it as a subtle GTFO. If you guys really want that educating newbies about Drg, by all means. Call me an idiot. You know far better than though, I'm not, just obnoxious. They're a great example of what not to do on a job, and I would say the same on any job they butchered this way that I played.

[Sevv]

Do you even have a clue who ladykiki is? I am about as old school dragoon as you can get period. Incase you didn't have a clue LK soloed from 1-75 on drg so there is NO ONE BETTER to give how to solo to 75 advice on drg. Underleveled subs or not, until you make an achievement like that you have no right to speak.

She has solod everyone of her jobs to 75 minus a few parties on red mage, Were you amazing when you first started parting? I think not. Gear doesn't have to be amazing when you solo it just needs to get by. Ladykiki has proven that with the right mind set and determination anyone can achieve a goal.

Don't try to preach about gear or anything because thats one fight very few can win against me =P

[IfritnoItazura]

Hmm.
Ladykiki' [DRG75 | BST75 | PLD75 | RDM75]
DRG 1-75 - Soloed (RDM Sub)
BST 1-75 - Soloed (RDM&NIN Sub)
PLD 1-75 - Soloed (BST Sub)
RDM 1-75 - Soloed (BST Sub)
Xtreme Precision Soloing
If s/he was just soloing, it affected no one else which support jobs she used, much less if those support jobs were fully leveled or otherwise.

Now, if s/he is to use any of those jobs on a recurring basis in group activities, that's another matter. Otherwise, it'd be perfectly fine to hear "Nah, not brining PLD; I soloed that to 75, and don't have /WAR for it."

[Spinnthrift]

If chain killing EP's is something to boast about - fine. You can support her all you want. When I found out about Drg's soloing skills back in 2004 when I was playing Drg for the first time, I was all like - "holy shit, I can chain T/VT on Drg for exp" and that didn't stop at 60... (back when I used to post on Allah, someone said it was impossible to get the chains I used to regularly - so I posted to show)... alas, long since gone now.. ; ;

She may have been the first to get to 75 be killing EP's. Congrats for her. It's not really an acheivement of note though, as I did a bunch of that farming on Thf. But I didn't boast about that, it was just trying to make money in game and something fun at the time. Well - actually, had I tried to do that for levels, I'd have gone out of my mind with utter boredom of it all.

And when I did solo jobs, I stopped killing EP's at around 10-12, as I wasn't happy with not pushing myself.

Was I perfect when I started? No. Can I hold up my end of a party at level 75 for missions etc now... Well, least my mp users don't ask me for refresh and my Rdm isn't even 75 yet... dun duh dah!

So Sevv, she was the first to do something that, well - isn't that impressive now. At least not for someone who's gone out and done similar, as well as taking out Alky and Pallas solo on Thf at 73 (pre Ni levels). So, when I see a lolpldgimpsub, and lolDrggimpsub and a perported guide on how to, I'll stand up and say no. Especially when they've admitted they've not learned the skills to play their role in doing so. Need I say more?

[Skoal]

Mass murdering EP's is a great way to level. You get more drops, more seals, less danger etc. Once you level, you fight T/Vt's to get your skill up to par then go back to killing Eps.

In 2004 we didn't have sanction or sigil refresh like we do now. Sure you could chain a couple of VTs then you were out of mp. There were three way to get refresh before sanction: Brd, Rdm or juices. I tried juices and was spending money left and right just killing dc's.

Any job can kill Ep's. I do know that most of the time the only reason I have to stop is that I have ran out of mobs to kill. Not every job can go as long as drg can on so little mp.

[Sevv]

Ok you may have not understood this but I am the last person you want to drag into a fight.


If chain killing EP's is something to boast about - fine. You can support her all you want. When I found out about Drg's soloing skills back in 2004 when I was playing Drg for the first time, I was all like - "holy shit, I can chain T/VT on Drg for exp" and that didn't stop at 60... (back when I used to post on Allah, someone said it was impossible to get the chains I used to regularly - so I posted to show)... alas, long since gone now.. ; ;

You say you have played Dragoon, but did you actually try the job? Because there is no way in hell someone would solo off eps to 75. "Oh well look at her ss" hi2u realism, it was one screen shot and if I knew I was @ 21 to 75 I would go kill and ep for the epic @1 screenshot.


She may have been the first to get to 75 be killing EP's. Congrats for her. It's not really an acheivement of note though,

She soloed to 75 just to prove it could be done and give the guide to the players. And it is an achievement you go solo from 1-75 on a job and tell me it isn't an achievement. I mean seriously get over yourself.

as I did a bunch of that farming on Thf. But I didn't boast about that, it was just trying to make money in game and something fun at the time. Well - actually, had I tried to do that for levels, I'd have gone out of my mind with utter boredom of it all.

Are you kidding me? That may have been the most idiotic comment ever used in a fight on this board. So you also admit that she is better then you at something hmmm?



And when I did solo jobs, I stopped killing EP's at around 10-12, as I wasn't happy with not pushing myself.

Was I perfect when I started? No. Can I hold up my end of a party at level 75 for missions etc now... Well, least my mp users don't ask me for refresh and my Rdm isn't even 75 yet... dun duh dah!

Again get over your ep to 75 theory its tired worn out and makes you look like an idiot.

Can I solo Nms? Oh ya
Can I out dd any job you have? Oh hell ya
Do we wanna swing our epeens about? Damn right
Do I use my 65 brd in endgame? Ya

She admitted she wasn't the best party red mage, mainly because she wasn't use to partying that is why I related it to the newb in their first parties. She realized this and solo'd and enjoyed her self so gtfo thinking you are god's gift to refresh whoring. Cuz at 45 rdm I can refresh and heal in a blu burn.


So Sevv, she was the first to do something that, well - isn't that impressive now. At least not for someone who's gone out and done similar, as well as taking out Alky and Pallas solo on Thf at 73 (pre Ni levels). So, when I see a lolpldgimpsub, and lolDrggimpsub and a perported guide on how to, I'll stand up and say no. Especially when they've admitted they've not learned the skills to play their role in doing so. Need I say more?

Being the first person to solo drg 1-75 overall and making a guide of camps for the community is impressive, and a huge help to the community.

Farming gil and soloing 1-75 do not equal the same thing or even close. Sorry that you think your ability to solo a few mobs here and there are on the same level.

Congrats I soloed Avatars on drg/rdm, as well as Alyk and pallas on drg. There is alot of things that I have soloed on drg, that can out impress your accomplishments if you want to throw epeens all day.

Try talking about guides when you have a clue about the subject matter and the person behind it, the black mage sub thing has nothing to do with the guide. It was used for warp pleas kindly gtfo yourself.

Take yourself out of this convo or leave it be kk back to seeking drg75/pup20

[Spinnthrift]

Skoal - I was chain x4 on VT... the screenies are probably on Alla still if you can be arsed to look, I can't as I deleted my account there when I moved here, so I can't check my old posts/PM's. Perhaps it was because I was a Taru and had the mp to go a little further. Who knows. Maybe it was that I always had levelled SJ's and the correct gearings for the mob I was fighting.. who knows indeed, but - I know I was making almost as much as a mediocre party would easy 4k an hour solo, if not more. I never really worried too much as it was decent enough for me not to worry.

My next point is, I knew a guy who was very much like the above Lady, apart from the total antithesis. He'd deliberately do as many missions and things as he could so he'd know entirely how to function in a party. But I'd never see him in an exp party, ever. And when we did get him partied with us... damn it, if he didn't do his jobs well. His name was Loncar, of the Phoenix server. Back when I played there. Strange that... The guy never exp'd with anyone, yet - he knew how to play in party/mission scenario's and was really good at it. And I'm supposed to hold the OP in high esteem? No. If Loncar had posted here, I'd be fully supporting him, as a: he'd have levelled SJ's, b: be able to function at party level in any of his jobs, c: Didn't need Sevv's praise, as he was genuinely skilled, not just immune to carpal tunnel.

[Sevv]

Skoal - I was chain x4 on VT... the screenies are probably on Alla still if you can be arsed to look, I can't as I deleted my account there when I moved here, so I can't check my old posts/PM's. Perhaps it was because I was a Taru and had the mp to go a little further. Who knows. Maybe it was that I always had levelled SJ's and the correct gearings for the mob I was fighting.. who knows indeed, but - I know I was making almost as much as a mediocre party would easy 4k an hour solo, if not more. I never really worried too much as it was decent enough for me not to worry.

My next point is, I knew a guy who was very much like the above Lady, apart from the total antithesis. He'd deliberately do as many missions and things as he could so he'd know entirely how to function in a party. But I'd never see him in an exp party, ever. And when we did get him partied with us... damn it, if he didn't do his jobs well. His name was Loncar, of the Phoenix server. Back when I played there. Strange that... The guy never exp'd with anyone, yet - he knew how to play in party/mission scenario's and was really good at it. And I'm supposed to hold the OP in high esteem? No. If Loncar had posted here, I'd be fully supporting him, as a: he'd have levelled SJ's, b: be able to function at party level in any of his jobs, c: Didn't need Sevv's praise, as he was genuinely skilled, not just immune to carpal tunnel.


You sir are an idiot. Plain and simple with no need to continue on farther unless you provoke.

[Kafeen]

I doubt she went 1-75 killing EP's She subbed BST for the ability to charm for a reason, its not something you usually need to do to fight EP's.

The only job she didn't sub /BST (expect BST obviously) on was DRG. I know when I've soloed DRG EP's weren't my main target. Fighting the right mobs you can quite easily take down EM-T mobs.

[Spinnthrift]

Sevv: Guess what? I didn't solo every job to 75, and guess what? Any job I have at more than 10 I can play well in a party. I'll quote for you:

Granted, my partying ability is complete shite. I totally did not refresh the SMN during a mission run last night for ToAU42. I forgot he ... was there. We won anyway. And I lack a lot of de-facto RDM gear. (Cape, belt, earrings, rings, neck)

You want to praise that as a role model? Be my guest. I'm not so stuck in 2004 that I don't know when it's time to adapt.

For what my situation was at the time, I took those little 2 hours a day in between work/university to solo it to 75, which included the spam of the ENM60 down in Mine Shaft #xxxx and the Escort Quest. I must say that the method I did was basically: 60-62 (about) was done in Crawler's Nest, then I moved to Labyrinth of Onzozo at 63~66 then from 66-75 I did it in Bostaunieux Oubliette fighting ... bats and dogs. It was ... really safe, and I had no trouble at all. There was no EXP chains involved.

I highlighted the key part. Sevv, you're wrong. Stop stealing my oxygen please. Highest level hound would be 66, so EM at best was the maximum for one level. Why do I need to fight against you when the person you're sticking up for so blindly validates what I say?

Being the first person to solo drg 1-75 overall and making a guide of camps for the community is impressive, and a huge help to the community.

Try talking about guides when you have a clue about the subject matter and the person behind it, the black mage sub thing has nothing to do with the guide. It was used for warp pleas kindly gtfo yourself.

I wrote guides on how to, back in 2004/2005 - and bless... really... your defending is so sweet but you're still stealing oxygen. And wrong. They've said themselves was no exp chains. So you're whole tirade of abuse makes me giggle knowing how angry you've got, while still being.. guess... WRONG!

Have a great day sunshine, I hope it leaves you as smiley as your posts have left me... laughing at you and thanking you for brightening my day. ^^

[Vyuru]

First off:

LadyKiki, glad to see you back. I would be very interested in seeing your soloing guide for drg. I've done alot of soloing as well, although more in the EM-T+ area, and I may have a few suggestions to give you on soloing spots.

Now, for the rest:

Skoal - I was chain x4 on VT...

Chain #s mean little, it's all on what you are fighting.

Incase you didn't have a clue LK soloed from 1-75 on drg so there is NO ONE BETTER to give how to solo to 75 advice on drg.

Technically that might be me, but then I didn't solo 1-75, just a whole lot of soloing 50+.

Level your SJ's if you want to be taken seriously. Showing us pics of you without having made the effort to get a basic SJ sorted

SJ while soloing is rather subjective. If I can be fighting DC-EM mobs, and these are the quadav/yagudo/orcs in the past, with a lvl 16 blue mage subjob, and chaining the EMs I might add, although granted not very high chains due to lack of mp, I hardly think a lvl 33 blm sub that may or may not have been used for soloing is something to get worked up over.

Could I do better with my rdm sub? Easily, but I wanted to have fun and see what I could do with my blu sub.

Is that really the kind of person you want giving advice to those who don't know well enough to say "I don't think that advice is sound."? Please tell me it's so Sevv.


Perhaps you should go and read LadyKiki's previous contributions to this forum, so that an inkling of how helpful and decent her advice is.

Skoal - I meant it as a subtle GTFO

It's getting pretty damn clear that you know very little about this job from what you say on this forum. Kindly stop your trolling or at the very least adopt a more civil tone.

[Sevv]

Sevv: Guess what? I didn't solo every job to 75, and guess what? Any job I have at more than 10 I can play well in a party. I'll quote for you:

If you wanna nit pick your done for in a debate here ask anyone around here, I can nit pick to no end it actually pissed alot of people around here off. So since you think your all high and mighty can you solo everyjob more then 10 and can you solo them to 75? Since your making her other jobs such a big deal. And her guide is about dragoon so her rdm/pld/and sub war doesn't mean shit to her guide.




You want to praise that as a role model? Be my guest. I'm not so stuck in 2004 that I don't know when it's time to adapt.

You want to look at her drg guide of every camp attacks to watch and shit loads of info for every camp in the game to solo as a drg shit? Then your an idiot. Soloing jobs is adapting, and hi I am usually one of the first to fight any hnm they add in the game, then fight again adapting to any strategy that we use in current place.



I highlighted the key part. Sevv, you're wrong. Stop stealing my oxygen please. Highest level hound would be 66, so EM at best was the maximum for one level. Why do I need to fight against you when the person you're sticking up for so blindly validates what I say?

Hi gaiz the netz has oxygen! YYou actually think someone at 75 would only camp in that zone? You are also proving you dont know shit about drg or drg soloing, so your imput into this thread is nothing more then trolling, So kindly gtfo of our forum.



I wrote guides on how to, back in 2004/2005 - and bless... really... your defending is so sweet but you're still stealing oxygen. And wrong. They've said themselves was no exp chains. So you're whole tirade of abuse makes me giggle knowing how angry you've got, while still being.. guess... WRONG!

Lets see some proof of these guides? And again you can leave the forums cuz your nothing more then an alla reject troll. I can fight dcs and ems with no trouble and no chains and toughs too. Lol @ me being mad tho, Mad would consist of me using advanced permissions to mess with you lol, just to be honest. And 1) you dont know about the guide 2) don't know the person 3) dont know drg 4) dont know shit.


Have a great day sunshine, I hope it leaves you as smiley as your posts have left me... laughing at you and thanking you for brightening my day. ^^

This is good fun since im watching khim die so slow to demo =P

[Skoal]

Well I did call him an idiot in my first post because of the loldrg stuff. If he wants to tell mg GTFO or call me names, I pretty much brought that on myself.

I started soloing drg for seals to help out with getting better gear. It then turned into an awesome way for me to level w/o spending hours looking for a party or being in a crappy party. The beauty of soloing is that you can do what you want, unless you are an ass and kill people's exp mobs or something like that.

[Malacite]

BLM sub is just fine for DRG soloing anyway >_>


Not as idea l as say WHM RDM or BLU but it gets the job (heal breath) done.

[Icemage]

Lighten up, folks. Seriously.

LadyKiki's guide doesn't affect anyone in a party, since it revolves around solo'ing. Unless you care to put forth that someone soloing DRG to 75 is suddenly going to turn around and do HNM activities on DRG, I don't see how it matters how you got there.

Sure, it does mean that you may not have as firm a grasp on how High/Super Jump work in a party setting, or how useful Spirit Surge can be in saving someone who has picked up too much enmity, but if you haven't figured out that these are going to be issues after spending months gaining 75 levels, one EP at a time, then I don't know what else to say.

Incidentally, I think LadyKiki's choice of DRG/BLM is fine for soloing. It still triggers Healing Breath, and BLM have the lowest cost magics available to them (well, you might use /SCH these days, but this was back in 2006). And there's the side benefit of Escape and Warp - notice the setting in the screenshot is Bostaunieux Oubliette. Escaping or Warping out of there is a lot handier and faster than just Sneaking out, and when you're investing the huge amounts of time it takes to gain one level after another, any reduction in prep time is probably appreciated.


Icemage

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Incidentally, I think LadyKiki's choice of DRG/BLM is fine for soloing. It still triggers Healing Breath, and BLM have the lowest cost magics available to them (well, you might use /SCH these days, but this was back in 2006).

So does /BLU with Power Attack (5MP), that was around in 2006. Cocoon isn't too shabby, either.

[Spinnthrift]

Sevv, in your limited wisdom, you said - was I capable of functioning in a party with a new job.

I know right now, I could pick up *any* job in the game, and within ten minutes of joining a party, be able to fulfil the needs of that party adequately. Not necessarily brilliantly, but enough to not be a laughing stock.

That was the first I could find, the others I deleted too - for the same reason.
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Dealt with solo builds, general gearing, macro swapping, etc.. and camps. Showed how people even playing Taru's could make chain x4 on VT's. With pictures and without using juice. I'd expanded it as well, each time making it bigger... never got around to posting it on here before losing the final version. It started at 30 and I tweaked and tweaked and made it bigger every so often before removing it the day I stopped posting (around level 60-65).

Would I think someone would repeat the same thing over and over and over... Yes. Christ - how many people only merit in Bhaflau on Colibri... and that's more exp than levelling to 75... Weird that... but true.

Skoal: My point was not saying the job is a loljob... but that anyone who wants to post a guide, needs to be not a joke. And laughing about how they suck in party and their tank job is also the same.. makes me cry at a job I've loved from day one of playing... makes me go, it's people like this who made me get lolDrg comments all the time I was playing.

I'm not saying - shoot, slapping EP's for seals is bad. I'm saying, what was in the OP, was dire for a poster boy. Or girl. Or mithra. This is why people have been saying lolDrg for years. And I went back through her posts - after Vyuru so deftly said I didn't know what she was on...

And I found:

"Don't need to upgrade Bone +1 till Brig"
"Nin/Thf is a DD option"
and more...

There were some gems of wisdom, that even wikipedia are wrong about - like (Wiki posted that WS's could be paralysed, from personal experience of Ganiman in game to verify, just to clarify for some people who's reading comprehension is lacking):

"WS's can't be paralyzed." (meaning - for the stupid, that this quote is accurate - which at the time posted, a lot of people said otherwise, this quote was taken from a post back in 2006, which Ladykiki said and was correct, sorry that I had to make a lot of sentences out, but some people can't understand anything not spelled out in simple tardworthy english).

But the majority of stuff - wasn't, groundbreaking, earth shattering or even inspired. Which validates what I said originally.

Here's a comparison for you...

You have person a: who systematically levels all their sj's for a job, and takes care with how they do things and strives to be a good example, and person b: who admits they can't function in a party, doesn't level subs for their jobs, and has a lackadaisical attitude to their job.

Which one do you want advising the newbies? Anyone who says the latter - is basically saying Lady's a good thing. It's like promoting Rdm melee, naked bards and Blu/Spoons or Blu/Fork. It might work, but come on, use your heads a little. I'm saying the same thing I have at the start - you want credibility, don't come up with slapdash. Don't promote your advice with sloppy standards. Is that unreasonable to expect from a poster boy? Well - maybe for Drg's... hence why they've always been accused of being a loljob (and while I wish I could change that - it's not me bringing the hate). I for one would much rather see someone who's methodical and a good role model write a decent guide that people could get behind...

Sevv, if you ever have an original and not sycophantic thought pop into your head, give it my condolences, it'll be awfully lonely there.

[Mog]

Request to lock this thread. < .>

It's going absolutely nowhere and degenerating into what should be in Killing Ifrit.

[LadyKiKi]

:shocked:

I didn't post to boast, just to get that cleared up. One other thing is no, I don't go into EXP parties anymore, and the tanking as PLD75/WAR29, well, only for Faust in Sky when no other PLDs are on.

As for Spinnthrift, I believe I remember seeing you on Alla, as a ... Hume in ... Honam gear (and an assortment of DRG relic) getting Chain #4. I'm in awe for that gear as I would want some myself, but no where close.l

I started off soloing back at the time I believe when a lot of people were moaning how they can't get parties as DRG ... (2005?). As for the lolDRG stuff, I basically took DRG to 75 and left it there.

My main is technically BST. I mentioned I was in an all pet LS.

Per my playing method, I do not party to EXP. I do occasionally party to do missions/quest, and I do Sky on/off only as BST. Even then, in Sky, I'm limited to either:

1. Calling my crab and chucking it at whatever (i.e. Kirin, inside-pop item NMs)
2. Outside, charm a bird, throw on mob.

I have admitted my guide is useless at its current state due to all the new developments and areas of the game. And this is why somewhat I have abandoned my idea of finishing the guide as it is obsolete.

However, I just do what I can. I like the game and this is the only way I can really play in it, via soloing.

Just to note, the sub I would've used was RDM, but as I only had 1000~EXP or so to go, I preferred a quick way out.

I am happy to listen to everyone's opinions though and I am finding it quite interesting to read everyone's ideas.

And Skoal said it best, soloing, you can do what you want and it doesn't affect anyone. Should the time come for me to do something rather serious (Dynamis/HNM), I'll work on it of course. But aside from liking the game, it's just Final Fantasy in general, and I guess to an extent, the people on it. Soloing is just something for me to do. You know, unwind after a day of work. :)

What I guess I am providing is information (the backbone) to it all, but the rest you'll have to develop yourself.

[Sevv]

Sevv, in your limited wisdom, you said - was I capable of functioning in a party with a new job.

I know right now, I could pick up *any* job in the game, and within ten minutes of joining a party, be able to fulfil the needs of that party adequately. Not necessarily brilliantly, but enough to not be a laughing stock.

That was the first I could find, the others I deleted too - for the same reason.
Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI: Forums (http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=14;mid=113552681822764236#m11395552 77281667743)

Dealt with solo builds, general gearing, macro swapping, etc.. and camps. Showed how people even playing Taru's could make chain x4 on VT's. With pictures and without using juice. I'd expanded it as well, each time making it bigger... never got around to posting it on here before losing the final version. It started at 30 and I tweaked and tweaked and made it bigger every so often before removing it the day I stopped posting (around level 60-65).

Would I think someone would repeat the same thing over and over and over... Yes. Christ - how many people only merit in Bhaflau on Colibri... and that's more exp than levelling to 75... Weird that... but true.

Skoal: My point was not saying the job is a loljob... but that anyone who wants to post a guide, needs to be not a joke. And laughing about how they suck in party and their tank job is also the same.. makes me cry at a job I've loved from day one of playing... makes me go, it's people like this who made me get lolDrg comments all the time I was playing.

I'm not saying - shoot, slapping EP's for seals is bad. I'm saying, what was in the OP, was dire for a poster boy. Or girl. Or mithra. This is why people have been saying lolDrg for years. And I went back through her posts - after Vyuru so deftly said I didn't know what she was on...

And I found:

"Don't need to upgrade Bone +1 till Brig"
"Nin/Thf is a DD option"
and more...

There were some gems of wisdom, that even wikipedia are wrong about - like:

"WS's can't be paralyzed."

But the majority of stuff - wasn't, groundbreaking, earth shattering or even inspired. Which validates what I said originally.

Here's a comparison for you...

You have person a: who systematically levels all their sj's for a job, and takes care with how they do things and strives to be a good example, and person b: who admits they can't function in a party, doesn't level subs for their jobs, and has a lackadaisical attitude to their job.

Which one do you want advising the newbies? Anyone who says the latter - is basically saying Lady's a good thing. It's like promoting Rdm melee, naked bards and Blu/Spoons or Blu/Fork. It might work, but come on, use your heads a little. I'm saying the same thing I have at the start - you want credibility, don't come up with slapdash. Don't promote your advice with sloppy standards. Is that unreasonable to expect from a poster boy? Well - maybe for Drg's... hence why they've always been accused of being a loljob (and while I wish I could change that - it's not me bringing the hate). I for one would much rather see someone who's methodical and a good role model write a decent guide that people could get behind...

Sevv, if you ever have an original and not sycophantic thought pop into your head, give it my condolences, it'll be awfully lonely there.



OK this post made me lol so hard.

This was just epic fail.

Weapon Skills CAN NOT be paralyzed. There is hundreds of threads on this, your nothing more then a running joke on most web pages.

Coming into a drg forum and trying to preach about a loljob is just idiotic that is why your posts hold no ground. And if anything the big lol job atm is lolthf, you get to sit outside the allaince and pop in for th3 for the near death.

Try and take personal shots at me is just a lolable route, Spin if you think you have more exp or knowledge on the game is hope you would check yourself. Personal shot = nothing more the a sad desperate attempt.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Spinnthrift, I have some urgent business to attend to at the moment, but before go out I'd like to point out that some of the biggest elitists in the forum have come to this thread, looked at it in context and responded politely.

You responded like a dick, which isn't elitist at all, its just being a jerk.

DRG was my first 60+ job, it was the job I made all the mistakes on and its why I have such a meticulous approach to every other job I play now. The OP's approach differs from mine likely due to different priorities or time constraints, but they admit openly that thier approach is likely something people don't want to employ in PT play.

When you solo, your pet doesn't argue about the EXP, your gear or your sub. How one solos has no impact on other people who choose to party thier jobs. Applying PT standards to a solo situation is foolish

I'll tell you right now I have soloed my BST at 40+ in Riverne Site #A01 with /15NIN - tell me what awesome spells I would have if I had it higher in a 40 cap zone? I posted my experience EXPing there in the BST Anthologies and I've actually recieved rather positive feedback, some that read it now use that as a merit camp for BST now. I also made mention that if you didn't level Axe on another job, you might lose some skill-ups if you stayed there til 42.

So long as the OP prefaces thier guide from a solo perspective and only that, it does no harm to other players.

[Sevv]

God I love the gil system.


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[LadyKiKi]

The idea of the guide back then, was to suggest people they can solo for some light EXP while seeking. I remember reading a lot of horror stories how (job) doesn't get invited or takes so long to get an invite.

As I said a few posts above, I log on after everything else is taken care of, didn't really have time to look for party and stay for the duration, sooo I looked into soloing while chatting to LS people and unwinding for the 2~ hours I have left until I go to sleep and go back to work. :)

[Sevv]

The idea of the guide back then, was to suggest people they can solo for some light EXP while seeking. I remember reading a lot of horror stories how (job) doesn't get invited or takes so long to get an invite.

As I said a few posts above, I log on after everything else is taken care of, didn't really have time to look for party and stay for the duration, sooo I looked into soloing while chatting to LS people and unwinding for the 2~ hours I have left until I go to sleep and go back to work. :)

And the point that stuck with alot of us old schoolers was that you played the job because you loved it, and played it the way you enjoyed it. Scouting out alot of your own camps and sharing the info, regardless of your sub job you had your heart leveled =D.

Sorry about the mini-fight I just don't allow people to come in and take shots at our old school dragoons =D.

[Spinnthrift]

Ladykiki - You might be confusing me with someone else, as I'm Taru. ^^ My chaining was all as I was levelling.. on Mandies to Bats to Crabs.. anything I could exp on in a party, I'd try and exp on Drg with. Right now - my main doesn't have Drg levelled past 40ish (long story; ;).

I don't have any issues with the way you play solo, just with the presentation. It's been a gripe of mine from the early days of Drg, -back when people felt they didn't need more than AF. Saw your sj's and thought the same thing. If you want to collaborate - I'm probably going to drag my next character up through 40+ solo... so if you want to share some notes on post 40 with updates (ToAU lands, Signet Bonus and Shadowlands).. and I doubt there'll be much campaign/bst pet mobs in it, I'll gladly send you screenies/etc.

Sevv: Learn to read - I'd said, that she was one of the people saying that they couldn't... something Wiki got wrong (Wiki said they could be paralyzed - knowing Ganiman personally as I did and he made me laugh in exp). I realise that it's a failing of yours, but... re-read what you quoted, and go, shit... he actually pulled out one of the things she said and was saying it was right. As in correct. They can't be. Hence why Wiki got it wrong.

Kitten: I've always been a dick. Nothing new there. But usually an accurate one. As Sevv above misquoted, either deliberately, or through gross stupidity. Your pick.

[LadyKiKi]

Ladykiki - You might be confusing me with someone else, as I'm Taru. ^^ My chaining was all as I was levelling.. on Mandies to Bats to Crabs.. anything I could exp on in a party, I'd try and exp on Drg with. Right now - my main doesn't have Drg levelled past 40ish (long story; ;).

I don't have any issues with the way you play solo, just with the presentation. It's been a gripe of mine from the early days of Drg, -back when people felt they didn't need more than AF. Saw your sj's and thought the same thing. If you want to collaborate - I'm probably going to drag my next character up through 40+ solo... so if you want to share some notes on post 40 with updates (ToAU lands, Signet Bonus and Shadowlands).. and I doubt there'll be much campaign/bst pet mobs in it, I'll gladly send you screenies/etc.

Ah sorry, I think I have confused it then. That particular person was fighting Sea Puks (with rather nice DRG gear) and was up to chain 4 at VT.

I don't understand what you mean by sharing notes on post 40. Do you mean that as in the context of soloing normal (EM+) mobs (with a job none DRG or BST or sub BST) or do you mean it in the BST context? Because when I sub BST to solo I tend to go to the suggested (and eventually, my own found (so I do not stomp on top of the BSTs that may level there)) camps.

Otherwise I believe between you and me there is nothing new to be found. The basics apply, find camp (with no EXP party), make sure mobs don't link or are hard to link, apply reraise, and stay alive ;). However I guess with Sigil the EXP bonus would be nice, but for me I like to sustain myself with rewards from Conquest Points, hence my preference to not explore the new expansion areas (I believe you get no allied notes for killnig mobs in the past). And there's some Perdu gear I would like eventually so I prefer to do ToAU areas (with BST related activity) past 63 (the ideal level to go to the Mire when you sub BST). I may be missing out on an opportunity with the past areas, as someone pointed out to me the other week about Djinns in the past, getting them to blow up for quick EXP, but I'm looking at it from a lot of angles too, with no desire for extremely fast EXP (but it's quite nice).

As for my guide, I ran a word count through it and at its current state it's at 8138 words, the pages are illustrated with pictures where possible so it doesn't seem boring. I see where your coming from with the presentation term, but I think aside from the effort I put into my subjobs my guide looks very pretty to read. :)

It's all in HTML files and there's a built in calculator (which I believe is not hard to make for people seasoned in making webpages, but I only applied what I learnt in university to the page~ it was just a silly function of a page as one of my "modules") which calculates when Healing Breath will go off and such, dependant on subjob, gear (AF helm/no AF helm) and amount of HP. Everything else is explained to the best of my ability.

EDIT: I forgot to add, it's still unfinished. But I have put thought into it.

I'm also sorry if my post has dragged you into all this argument with others. It is your choice as to what you want to do next, but I hope for this topic not to be locked and that you don't get into trouble. Otherwise I'm open to ideas and discussions. It's good to talk.

[eticket109]

I've always been a dick. Nothing new there. But usually an accurate one.

The first half of that statement invalidates the rest of it. This isn't KI or Alla. When you walk in the door here insulting people then you should pretty much expect that no one will care what you say whether you're right or not.

[bikkebakke]

The first half of that statement invalidates the rest of it. This isn't KI or Alla. When you walk in the door here insulting people then you should pretty much expect that no one will care what you say whether you're right or not.


QFT

LK, hope you can get this going again sometime... I'm trying to return to FFXI, but will have limited game time so I'll be soloing alot.

[Karinya]

Lighten up, folks. Seriously.
I only see one person who needs to lighten up or go away. When you come into the DRG forums and post on a thread about DRG, and *every* DRG that replies calls you an idiot... that should be a hint.

Oh, and since I have DRG70 too: Spinn, you're an idiot. The same subjobs, gear, strategies etc. don't work for everyone or in all situations. Chain # is not the be all and end all of exp. Most importantly, if you don't pay LK's 15 bucks a month, you don't tell her (or anybody else) how to solo. You can argue about what is or isn't good for a party, but solo is up to that person.
Incidentally, I think LadyKiki's choice of DRG/BLM is fine for soloing. It still triggers Healing Breath, and BLM have the lowest cost magics available to them (well, you might use /SCH these days, but this was back in 2006).
Well, there's also BLU. /SCH doesn't actually help - the MP reduction of Arts doesn't kick in for spells of less than 10 MP because of rounding. Personally I prefer /WHM for RR in Campaign, and /BLU for Cocoon otherwise - but I'm not going to dictate subjob choice to anyone, particularly for solo.
And there's the side benefit of Escape and Warp - notice the setting in the screenshot is Bostaunieux Oubliette.
Actually, Spinn is pounding so hard on the conventional wisdom, he may never have stepped outside the popular party camps. I wonder if he even knows Bostanieux Oubliette from a hole in the ground. Er... you know what I mean.
Escaping or Warping out of there is a lot handier and faster than just Sneaking out, and when you're investing the huge amounts of time it takes to gain one level after another, any reduction in prep time is probably appreciated.
True, but I think I'd take /WHM. Warp can be done with pretty cheap items (even without counting the synthed ones, CP warp scrolls have been around basically forever, IIRC, and you only need one per session), and more importantly, who wants to HP and sneak all the way back into camp if something goes wrong and you die? (But then, I guess if you're not going for chain Ts, even an add or sudden severe lag might not necessarily kill you.)

Plus, on /WHM, you can sneak *in* for free; on /BLM you have to pay for it. But it may not have been LK's customary solo sub anyway (if it were I bet she'd level it, increased HP and MP mean a lot to a DRG soloer), which is one of the things that makes it idiotic to base a rant on part of a screenshot with limited context.

[little ninja]

(back when I used to post on Allah,

From the way you responded I figured you were an Alla punk.

[bikkebakke]

From the way you responded I figured you were an Alla punk.


I lol'd IRL

[Sevv]

Sevv: Learn to read - I'd said, that she was one of the people saying that they couldn't... something Wiki got wrong (Wiki said they could be paralyzed - knowing Ganiman personally as I did and he made me laugh in exp). I realise that it's a failing of yours, but... re-read what you quoted, and go, shit... he actually pulled out one of the things she said and was saying it was right. As in correct. They can't be. Hence why Wiki got it wrong.

Kitten: I've always been a dick. Nothing new there. But usually an accurate one. As Sevv above misquoted, either deliberately, or through gross stupidity. Your pick.


You just don't understand you can't win can you? OMFG I may have miquoted HOLY SHIT O.o! Sorry but you had been dropping my iq with every post it tends to happen I just stopped reaing what you said because i was getting blinded by the sand coming out of your (not getting a warning =O). Your not some god's gift to FFXI, your not some amazing tank or some leet DD. Your not even a dragoon, so again kindly walk away from these forums and be done with it.

[IfritnoItazura]

One post of explanation of why a (sort of) promised guide didn't come about, and a new promise that it'll be improved and finished soon.

Which is then followed by one post of ignorant criticism that the poster is a gimpy DRG--apparently the second poster didn't notice it's all about soloing or something

Then, roughly two plus pages of flaming, more or less.

Wow. If the pages didn't load so fast, I would have thought KI copied Dreams' default template!

* * *

All joking aside, how about dialing back the level of hostility a bit? Isn't "nicer atmosphere" the reason why we hang out here instead of some other places?

[Skoal]

All joking aside, how about dialing back the level of hostility a bit? Isn't "nicer atmosphere" the reason why we hang out here instead of some other places?


I think the reason I came here was for the lack of elitism this board had.

[Sevv]

I think the reason I came here was for the lack of elitism this board had.

Ya im so lonely ; ;

[Icemage]

OK, that's quite enough, folks. This entire thread is a great example of how not to behave on this forum.

TIME OUT.

LadyKiki, if you'd like to resurrect this topic, please PM me and I'll see what I can do.


Icemage
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