Summoner vs other jobs

[Chro]

The thread title probably sounds different to what I actually mean. Basically my friends and I have been talking recently about the power of certain jobs. Basically it got to a point where they wanted to gang up on me (PLD, DRK and DRG vs SMN) and they KNEW they would win.

Of course I understand I'm useless without an avatar out but assuming I had gotten one out and stuff, would it be possible to beat any other job in a PvP match? 'Cause obviously they're gonna attack me, not the avatar.

[Vildar]

If you could smack any of them with an AF before they could do anything maybie, but each of them jobs has a way to get around/stop you from causing them any damage.

For Dark knight they would just quickly cast a Stun of at ye then pound at you, providing it sticks to ya. For a Paladin you might have a chance, but their high Defense could help them survive the attack. A dragoon, providing you get the AF out before he super jumps then you can get him. If he super jumps when you do the AF then you pretty much buggerd.

If you are able to smack an AF out before they can do any of them abilities, you could stand a chance. Even sleepaga them first could work, but then theres the 1min+ bloodpact timer.

[Sabaron]

SMN is not good in PVP. You have no armor, no quick means of control, and are wholly dependent on your pet which can be taken out by very simple means (e.g. Sleep).

[Chro]

I guess they're right about them being able to kill me then, but hey at least I can summon avatars! That makes me happy...

[Yellow Mage]

/sigh SMN

[Murphie]

Since FFXI is primarilly a PVE game, in which players group together to overcome the individual differences and form a cohesive team, whether or not they can beat you is kind of irrelevant.

[Malacite]

Off topic, but your latest avatar is awesome murphie >.>b

[Murphie]

^^;

[LilithAngel]

Yeah, unfortunately Summoner is one of those jobs that have no place in PvP. All it is is walking TP for the opposing team (them and their pets), and a walking Gate Breach if in an official game.

You're better off bringing something else to the table, cuz SMN isn't gonna do you any good.

[Malacite]

Well, if avatars were immune to at least to sleep (PvP only obviously) that would help. Maybe some kind of provoke command for them?

As stands the only thing I can think of is having Shiva use Sleepga (which IS a ward right?) followed by Rush. Make sure you run like hell too >. >

[Bolla]

To make it a good match.. summoners should only fight a mage and a warrior should
fight a dd class. it will be a good match to see a summoner fight a blue mage ,red mage, black mage and white.

[Eiyoko]

The only time I'm ever going to bring my summoner to PVP is to see if my Fenrir is better than yours someone else's.

Other than that, summoner is really not a wonderful job to use in PvP at all. It depends how you use it, yes, but it's not exactly a popular choice as far as I see.

Of course, this is only what I know from watching PVP occasionally so my insight probably won't be helpful in comparison to other people.

[Chro]

Nah, I see what everyone's saying. I wasn't planning on entering any kind of PvP as SMN. It was just a discussion between friends on who would kick whose butt when it came down to it. I thought I would stand a chance using avatars but when it comes down to it human players are smart enough to attack the SMN, not the avatar :P

Cheers for the insight though guys!

[Susurrus]

One problem with SMN PVP is, for most attacks, all the enemy has to do is run away when you use it. The range of hit is pretty small and it takes a little while to use (and avatars dont move much when using something).

[Omniblast]

There was a post or something a while back about a smn using tanking gear, and only take 80 damage per hit and surviving. Not sure what happened to that video, as I cannot find it anymore. It was basically a comparison of smning gear vs. tanking/defense gear.