why am I forced to do this quest?

[DR2D2]

:angry: :angry: :angry: I recently hit lvl 50(which I was excited about.) and to my surprise found out I have to do a quest to advance past lvl 50. I had no problem with having to do a quest to be able to get to lvl 51, until I read what the quest(the G-1) quest involved(killing 3 nm in hell zones). I can see having you have to do a quest to advance to a higher level if they started it at lvl 30, but to all of a sudden force you to do a quest to simply lvl up is not right. I probably wouldn't get upset except for the fact that it is a quest which is IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLO. Thanks to SE, I am basically stuck at lvl 50 until I can convince(or bribe) at least 1-2 high lvl players(at least lvl 70) to help. Since I am time constrained this will probably take me a week(im on for about 2hrs a night).

I realize this is a game that pushes partying, but to force you to find a party to do this type of quest is just wrong at lvl 50(make skill-up quests like this but not quests to simply lvl up). Probably not many people will agree with my suggestion to SE(I know questions to SE are supposed to go into a different location but this is more a quest rant then a question to SE), but I suggest that all the "G" quests should be soloable.

[DakAttack]

I'm surprised you're surprised.

[Caspian]

Get some lvl 75 friends and a 75 thf to help you with it. Sometimes its cake, sometimes its easy, all depends on papyrus drop rate. Doing this with 6 people who all need it, though, will undoubtedly take all day and then some and you still may not end up with that item.

[Mhurron]

Because

[DR2D2]

I'm surprised you're surprised.


I'm not so much surprised at the fact SE puts in manditory quests like this. I was surprised that my lvl is capped at this point because my lvl is not in blue(which is the usual sign that something is currently capped on you).

[Caspian]

I guess just be grateful for the little things. Like when you finish the quest and get that last experience point, that it doesn't say TNL: 10,000. Especially since its another 5 levels or so before you see the next big jump in a good pt's exp/hr.

[Malacite]

Wow, people complaining about G2 even after SE nerfed the NMs...

[Mhurron]

Wow, people complaining about G2 even after SE nerfed the NMs...
G1

[IfritnoItazura]

I realize this is a game that pushes partying, but to force you to find a party to do this type of quest is just wrong at lvl 50(make skill-up quests like this but not quests to simply lvl up). Probably not many people will agree with my suggestion to SE(I know questions to SE are supposed to go into a different location but this is more a quest rant then a question to SE), but I suggest that all the "G" quests should be soloable.

I think some of the Genkais were done in alliances in the past. :P To be honest, that seemed more fun than the typical "get a couple of high level people to help" thing we do these days.

[LilithAngel]

I did all my lower Genkais in "ye ald Alliance" (generally full 18 plus outside help) because back in the day, it really was one of the only ways it'd happen. Everyone needed it, and the "high level help" consisted of maybe two or three people that had gotten to 60-75 only about a month earlier, and weren't the pimpest of players (I still remember when news hit of the first full Kirin set had been finished on Kujata; yes, that long ago). We had a blast because everyone had to pull their own weight, and a lot of people knew each other, and there wasn't any way to know if we would succeed until the mob fell down.

Of course, that was also working under quite a bit of a different system back then, and the NMs were actually a lot harder, too. SE already nerfed the mobs, NMs, and drop rates to make the quests easier, but by no means are they soloable, nor are they meant to be. This game very much pushes party play because that's what the game is built around. Solo exists, yes, but it in no way surpasses party play in terms of XP efficiency outside of very few factors (and even then, you need party play to even be able to get to those factors to begin with). Why should this be any different?

The original level cap for the entire game was 50. It seems perfectly reasonable to require quests to break past that cap, and subsequent caps, that SE implemented as a bit of a "test" of the player to enjoy higher level play.

[TheGrandMom]

Yes Genkai 1 can be a royal pain in the arse if you don't do it the right way. As others have expressed, if you exp on the mobs that drop the items then you will kill 2 birds with one stone. When my son and husband started to play I already had a higher lvl character but I leveled another job with them. When we got near level 50 I encouraged our static to go exp on the mobs that drop the genkai items. They sure fought me because there were easier mobs to level on but I convinced them. In the end, they all said that it was a lot smarter to do it the way I suggested and they were glad that they did.

[Malacite]

>_ > when he said "3 NMs" I thought maybe he meant G2? 'Cause seems like he's mixing the two up. Either way both were toned down severely and to be complaining about them seems asinine to me.

[Mhurron]

Ya, but he's got 5 levels before he complains about G2. Though you're right, the G1 mobs aren't NM's.

/was lucky with G1

[Coinspinner]

If you want to understand why you have to do these quests, imagine that the level cap had just been raised and only a portion of the server was at max level. It was "endgame" content back then, and funnel through which the entire server had to pass.

I didn't have help from anybody higher than level 62 on Genkai and AF, it really made the quests seem like a challenge and an experience that increased your skill. I'd never made alliances, or had to stealth around high level creatures (or magic aggro), and I met quite a lot of people and learned who to trust or avoid. When I finally roasted Maat it was pretty gratifying. Apart from papyrus hunting I actually enjoyed doing them.

These days genkai is pretty much a joke; just an unnecessary obstacle to new players. They can't be done as they were intended anymore... players aren't gonna learn much from 'em.

Edit: Soloing the Yagudo part of G3 isn't really practical.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

You really won't find much sympathy when it comes to G2, at least not from those of us who have been playing this game for a long time now. See, SE "adjusted" the difficulty of those 3 G2 NMs so that a party of players 50 to 55 now stand a chance at defeating them. Before this update, you needed an entire alliance of players at that level. Just having 2 or 3 level 75s wasn't sufficient to defeat them.

[Ameroth]

I probably wouldn't get upset except for the fact that it is a quest which is IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLO. Thanks to SE, I am basically stuck at lvl 50

Did you miss the part where FFXI isn't one of those "Do-it-yourself" MMOs that require you to almost never play with other people? It's not terribly difficult to get a few high level folk to come hold your hand through it. Like the others have pointed out, it used to be much more difficult than it is now. The drop rates are kinda nasty, but honestly, G1 doesn't take much more time than 1 normal exp party would (unless you bring 2+ people that need G1 as well). You can miss 1 or 2 nights of partying; not that bad.

[Icemage]

Number of people required for G1:

- 4 for Garlaige citadel (just to open Banishing gates to get to Explosures). Aside from that, virtually any level 75 player can get you the bomb coal by themselves.
- 1 person for Exorays and their exoray mold. These things are laughable at level 75.
- 1 person, maybe two if you have the wrong jobs, for ancient papyrus from Liches, either in Eldieme Necropolis or in Toraimarai Canal.

G2 isn't hard either. I solo'd all three G2 NMs for someone about a week ago. It took forever on RDM due to their high HP, but wasn't even vaguely difficult.

G3 can be done with 1 level 75 as long as you have one person who has a crimson orb, and someone at level 75 who can take out the guards next to the lever door in Oztroja.

As mentioned by others, this is much, much easier than it used to be.


Icemage

[Grizzlebeard]

God, I remember doing G2 with an alliance years ago. Still gives me the sweats remembering all those idiots running around aggroing eyes and everything else that moved then people screaming for invis every second step we took towards the NMs.

[Karinya]

The original level cap was 50 when the game first came out by the way.

Nothing to say about the subjob quest (which could have been done with a normal level party)
In Valkurm, maybe. In Bubu it could be done by a normal level alliance. Not without some deaths, but it got the job done.

or the extra job quests (which also could have been done with a party at that level)?
Some are soloable, even; bard, ranger, dark knight come to mind. Actually, I think most are soloable, except for RoZ jobs.

Genkai 1 items can be obtained with a lv48-50 party (I got 2/3 while leveling normally, and the third with friends). Genkai 2 will need more, but I'm not sure how much it's been toned down. (I went with a 36 person double alliance, actually really fun). Genkai 3, 4, and 5 are soloable.
I did Genkai 2 with one alliance, back in the day. It really didn't take more than that even before adjustment.

Nowadays, though, it's easier to find a couple of 75s to help than an alliance of high 50s.

How many people actually solo genkai 3? (Actually, I'm not sure that one *is* soloable. Doesn't it take two people to operate the switches at the top of Castle Oztroja? Unless you just happen to find a coffer key party hanging out there and opening the door for you, that is.)

[Aksannyi]

I soloed G3 ... it worked out pretty well because the RMT were there in Castle Oztroja to open the gate for me. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been able to.

Damn those RMT, ruining the economy, but they have their uses.