Idea for Goldsmithing and Blacksmithing 1-20

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

Based upon what I;ve read I have come up wit han idea how o raise Gold and Blacksmith to al least 20.

This is just a theory and I have yet to test it fully, but here it goes.

First off I was allways low in the gil department so buying the ore was usally out of the question so I mined all of my stuff. I also never made it past lv 30 Thf either time I played the game so I was stuck in the Zuerum Mines a lot.

But based up on all the guides I read here and otehr places, here is my idea.

Mine the Zurn mines for Tin and Copper Ore and make Bronze Ingots out of them until you hit lv 2.

You can use the Zinc Ore you get for a quest and you can sell off the Iron Inots sometimes they are profetable some times not.

Then take those Bronze Ingots and make Bronze Sheets out of them until lv 4.

Then I took those Bronze sheets and made Bronze Scales until lv 10.

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Now here is where both Guilds come in handy.

From lv 10-15 you can make Tine Ingots by useing Tin Ore.

You can also use the Copper Ore that you had been useing fro Bronze Ingots to make Copper Ingots now until lv 3 Goldsmith.

Once you hit Lv 3 Gold smith you can use the Zinc Ore you had been useiung for that quest and make Brass Ingots until lv 9 I think.

Back at Blacksmiothing once you hit lv 15 you can finally start useing all that Iron Ore you find to make Iron Ingot. You can take that to 20

Iron Ore is what I mostly found while mineing that and Pebbles.

at lv 9 you can turn those Brass Ingots into sheets and then at some lv after that and until 20 you can also use the Silver Ore you find to Silver Ingots.

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There you go. now at lv 20 for both Crafts yo ucan make

Silver Ingots = 4 Silver Ores
Iron Ingots = 4 Iron Ores
Tin Ingots = 4 Tin Ore
Bronze Ingots = 3 Copper Ore and 1 Zinc Ore

that way all of the ore you mine up is being used. Just stack them up and sell them for mine yat the AH for profit if it is profitable at the time.

and if you are board you can also make
Copper Ingots = 4 Copper Ores
Bronze Ingots = 3 Copper Ore and 1 Tin Ore

But I'm not sure, but the Tin Ore in the Bronze might be betetr to go for the Tin Ingots they mioght be worth more mad the Copper might be better to go for the Brass ingot cause I think that is worth more too.

and like I said before I useally mined all my stuf since I was always poor and coul;d nver aford the prices atthe AH and Guilds.

OK, I hope thios theroy works for you all.

Peace

[Wise Donkey]

I would not recommend Tin Ingots, go with Bronze Bolt Heads instead.

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

I would not recommend Tin Ingots, go with Bronze Bolt Heads instead.

You mean make Bronze Bolt Heads from 10-15?

I just said Tin Ingots so you had something to do with the Tin you mine up.

[Wise Donkey]

Yes, for 10-15 Smithing. Tin Ingots are pretty worthless, I would just continue to make Bronze Ingots out of the Tin Ore.

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

Yes, for 10-15 Smithing. Tin Ingots are pretty worthless, I would just continue to make Bronze Ingots out of the Tin Ore.

OK

My idea was to use the Copper Ore from the Bronze Ingots to make Copepr Ingots and Brass Ingots

[Wise Donkey]

You can buy extra Copper Ore from the Airship Vendors real cheap. You will never mine enough to convert all the zinc and tin you dig up.

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

You can buy extra Copper Ore from the Airship Vendors real cheap. You will never mine enough to convert all the zinc and tin you dig up.

Don't you have to be Rank 5 to use the Airship Vendors?

Is Tin and Zinc rare Ore?

[Icemage]

Agree with the above commentary.

I actually mined extensively to reach level 30ish on Blacksmithing and Goldsmithing. The proposed method is OK, but:

- I agree with Bronze Boltheads to 14. You can start these very, very early, and they stack much easier than Tin Ingots anyway, which is a major issue when dealing with such space-intensive materials as ores.

- It's not that Tin and Zinc are rare, but rather that you won't get 3 copper for each of the above. The ratio is probbly closer to 2:1.

- I wouldn't even consider doing any of this without at least Rank 5 for airship access. Copper Ore is readily available at all airship vendors 24/7 for a pittance, which means the only thing you need to provide is Fire Crystals and some elbow grease time in the mines. In fact, I'd walk into the mines with a small collection of copper ore bought from the vendors - you'll save some time and inventory space that way.

EDIT:

This is the path I would use today on Blacksmithing:

Blacksmithing:
Level 0-1: Bronze Ingot (Fire + Tin Ore + 3x Copper Ore) - keep these and continue to make them
Level 1-5: Pickaxe (Fire + Bronze Ingot + Maple Lumber)
Level 5-14: Bronze Boltheads (Wind + Bronze Ingot)

NOTE: You will continue to get Tin ore beyond this point - turn these into Bronze Ingots for use later.

Level 14-21: Iron Ingot (Fire + 4xIron Ore)
Level 21-22: Iron Sheet (Fire + Iron Ingot) - convert all your ingots into sheets at this step
Level 22-29: Iron Visor (Wind + Iron Sheet + Brass Sheet) - remember those bronze ingots I talked about above? Turn them into sheets and use them here.

EDIT 2: Goldsmithing

Here's my proposed path for early goldsmithing

Level 0-3: Copper Ingot (Fire + 4xCopper Ore)
Level 3-7: Copper Hairpin (Wind + Copper Ingot)
Level 3-7: Copper Ingot (Lightning + Copper Hairpin) - this is a desynthesis. It'll break a LOT, but will give you the odd bit of extra ingots and perhaps a rare skillup.
Level 7-9: Brass Ingot (Zinc + 3xCopper Ore)
Level 9-17: Brass Hairpin (Wind + Brass Ingot)
Level 9-17: Brass Ingot (Lightning + Brass Hairpin) - as above, this is also a desynthesis, with lots of breaks, but will give you the rare bit of extra material and a rare shot at a skillup.
Level 17-20: Silver Ingot (Fire + 4xSilver Ore)
Level 20-27: Silver Hairpin (Wind + Silver Ingot) - same as above, desynthesis.
Level 27-31: Silver Ring (Fire + 2xSilver Ingot)
Level 27-31: Silver Ingot (Lightning + Silver Ring) - desynthesis.

Past this level, things get extremely expensive no matter how you go about it. :)


Icemage

[Nuriko]

I wouldn't worry about airship access just for copper ... I don't think I've ever seen it above 10 gil each, and it's usually 9, just going to the guilds.

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

I wouldn't worry about airship access just for copper ... I don't think I've ever seen it above 10 gil each, and it's usually 9, just going to the guilds.

Thats good cause it always takes me forever to get the airship pass.

I have had one twice butr I had to cancel and deleate the acounts when I stopped paying.
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Agree with the above commentary.

I actually mined extensively to reach level 30ish on Blacksmithing and Goldsmithing. The proposed method is OK, but:

- I agree with Bronze Boltheads to 14. You can start these very, very early, and they stack much easier than Tin Ingots anyway, which is a major issue when dealing with such space-intensive materials as ores.

- It's not that Tin and Zinc are rare, but rather that you won't get 3 copper for each of the above. The ratio is probbly closer to 2:1.

- I wouldn't even consider doing any of this without at least Rank 5 for airship access. Copper Ore is readily available at all airship vendors 24/7 for a pittance, which means the only thing you need to provide is Fire Crystals and some elbow grease time in the mines. In fact, I'd walk into the mines with a small collection of copper ore bought from the vendors - you'll save some time and inventory space that way.

EDIT:

This is the path I would use today on Blacksmithing:

Blacksmithing:
Level 0-1: Bronze Ingot (Fire + Tin Ore + 3x Copper Ore) - keep these and continue to make them
Level 1-5: Pickaxe (Fire + Bronze Ingot + Maple Lumber)
Level 5-14: Bronze Boltheads (Wind + Bronze Ingot)

NOTE: You will continue to get Tin ore beyond this point - turn these into Bronze Ingots for use later.

Level 14-21: Iron Ingot (Fire + 4xIron Ore)
Level 21-22: Iron Sheet (Fire + Iron Ingot) - convert all your ingots into sheets at this step
Level 22-29: Iron Visor (Wind + Iron Sheet + Brass Sheet) - remember those bronze ingots I talked about above? Turn them into sheets and use them here.

EDIT 2: Goldsmithing

Here's my proposed path for early goldsmithing

Level 0-3: Copper Ingot (Fire + 4xCopper Ore)
Level 3-7: Copper Hairpin (Wind + Copper Ingot)
Level 3-7: Copper Ingot (Lightning + Copper Hairpin) - this is a desynthesis. It'll break a LOT, but will give you the odd bit of extra ingots and perhaps a rare skillup.
Level 7-9: Brass Ingot (Zinc + 3xCopper Ore)
Level 9-17: Brass Hairpin (Wind + Brass Ingot)
Level 9-17: Brass Ingot (Lightning + Brass Hairpin) - as above, this is also a desynthesis, with lots of breaks, but will give you the rare bit of extra material and a rare shot at a skillup.
Level 17-20: Silver Ingot (Fire + 4xSilver Ore)
Level 20-27: Silver Hairpin (Wind + Silver Ingot) - same as above, desynthesis.
Level 27-31: Silver Ring (Fire + 2xSilver Ingot)
Level 27-31: Silver Ingot (Lightning + Silver Ring) - desynthesis.

Past this level, things get extremely expensive no matter how you go about it. :)


Icemage

Thanks, so yo ucan lv both things att he same time at least up to 20-30?
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Level 1-5: Pickaxe (Fire + Bronze Ingot + Maple Lumber)


Actually that sounds like a cool Idea. Maybe I can use these to mine more Ore.

[Icemage]

Thanks, so yo ucan lv both things att he same time at least up to 20-30?
Yes. Because you get materials for both crafts in every mining location, it makes the most sense to level them concurrently. The basic materials are similar in both cases; pickaxes, copper ore, fire crystals.

Also note that while you can get copper ore in limited quantities at the guild, those quantities are limited, and the price goes up if the store stock is low when the store opens. Airships are a more convenient way to go about it since they always have stock. You pay a premium for the ticket, of course, but the time savings can not be denied.

Actually that sounds like a cool Idea. Maybe I can use these to mine more Ore.
That's the idea. :)


Icemage

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

Yes. Because you get materials for both crafts in every mining location, it makes the most sense to level them concurrently. The basic materials are similar in both cases; pickaxes, copper ore, fire crystals.

Also note that while you can get copper ore in limited quantities at the guild, those quantities are limited, and the price goes up if the store stock is low when the store opens. Airships are a more convenient way to go about it since they always have stock. You pay a premium for the ticket, of course, but the time savings can not be denied.


That's the idea. :)


Icemage

Well when I finally reload the game into my computer and start paying for that again I'll be sure to Try to get to Rank 5 again so I can use your airship idea.

I just hope this time I can get pass lv 30

also I can't beilve I didn't think about Desything to get some Ingots back.

[Nuriko]

Just to nitpick some of the levels given there, I'd start the brass and silver synths earlier ... up to 5 levels from cap allows for skillups on failure, and you can use days / moon phase to (hopefully) reduce failures. Also, it's worth looking up things on ffxiah.com and seeing what are straight-up money makers. For example, buying silver beastcoins and synthing to ingots might actually turn a profit (and certainly saves some time if you can do it).

[Icemage]

Just to nitpick some of the levels given there, I'd start the brass and silver synths earlier ... up to 5 levels from cap allows for skillups on failure, and you can use days / moon phase to (hopefully) reduce failures. Also, it's worth looking up things on ffxiah.com and seeing what are straight-up money makers. For example, buying silver beastcoins and synthing to ingots might actually turn a profit (and certainly saves some time if you can do it).
I stand by my suggestions. Wind crystal + Brass Ingot is still a cheaper synth than Fire + 4xSilver Beastcoin or 4xSilver Ore. Same for copper vs. Brass.

It's not just the skillups that matter - it's the availability of materials and cost involved.

If money is no object and you have plenty of supplies, then sure, knock yourself out. :)

Incidentally, you can get skillups as far as 10 levels away from the skill cap. Theoretically you can stretch that range even higher with guild support and/or guild point items. Very, very rare when you're far from the skillcap, but they do happen, even if you break the synth - success is obviously going to produce better results, but sometimes that's not what you're after in the first place. I've gotten some skillups on more forgiving synths this way (especially with woodworking ammo synths).


Icemage

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

I stand by my suggestions. Wind crystal + Brass Ingot is still a cheaper synth than Fire + 4xSilver Beastcoin or 4xSilver Ore. Same for copper vs. Brass.

It's not just the skillups that matter - it's the availability of materials and cost involved.

If money is no object and you have plenty of supplies, then sure, knock yourself out. :)

Incidentally, you can get skillups as far as 10 levels away from the skill cap. Theoretically you can stretch that range even higher with guild support and/or guild point items. Very, very rare when you're far from the skillcap, but they do happen, even if you break the synth - success is obviously going to produce better results, but sometimes that's not what you're after in the first place. I've gotten some skillups on more forgiving synths this way (especially with woodworking ammo synths).


Icemage

Money ius useally a problem for me.

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

I found this and wanted to share it with you.

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Mining For Profit At Early Levels
By: Xnarusegawa
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Whenever I'm around Bastok, I always see a few new players (and even some in their 30s) ask how I get my gil. Most of it comes from other "resources" (linkshell friends XD), but I do go mining for my gil. This is how to make 30k+ an hour, and feel like you've accomplished something.

What this guide requires:
Patience
Ability to get to Bastok
Around 3ooo gil[/i]

(Yes, you can even be level 1)

First off, go to Bastok Markets (H-9) and speak to Karine. She sells maps, so buy one of the Mines. This will help you greatly, especially when new to the mines.

Next go to Bastok Mines, and go to Boytz Knicknacks (H-7) and speak to the man himself, Boytz. You're first objective is to buy a stack of Pickaxes. Pop open you're menu, and create a mining macro:

/item "Pickaxe" <t>

Or (Reccomended by Pukushu):

/targetnpc
/item "Pickaxe" <t>

Now walk to Zeruhn Mines (D-7) which is in Bastok Mines. Its time to start. At the first intersection, take a left. This will bring you to where you want to be. Now to start a path.

Go clockwise around the mines, following the left wall. When ever you see a Mining Point, walk towards it and use you're macro.

Mining Rules:
1.) Don't stalk others. Not only is this against the new ToS, you won't be making friends. Friends can be very useful, especially later on.
2.) If some one is at a Mining Point, don't take it from them. Just walk past, and walk fast, knowing you'll get the next one that comes up before them. ^^
3.) If you encounter a "tie" to a Mining Point, you both can mine at it.

What to look for:
In Zeruhn Mines, there isn't a lot of valuble ore. However, Iron ore is common, and it is 600 Gil-ish at Auction House. Getting one of these pays for 3 Pick axes, so get 4 and you broke even! You will come upon the occasional Darksteel Ore, which is worth 20,000 Gil on my server! This will fund you for a while. Once inventory is full, go back and sell to Auction House, then take yourself and put Ore in Bazaar and sit in the Smithing Guild or Goldsmithing Guild. This is fastest way to sell.

You're first 10k from mining:
Once you've gotten 10000 Gil from mining (This will be 1-2 trips) You're ready to get you're first piece of mining gear! Go for Field Gloves and Field Boots (Level 1 equip). But don't spend too much, as you still need to buy Pickaxes! Once you have these, it's time to start you're next phase.

Gardening and Smithing:
This will take awhile to reach this point, and you may want to have a good 20k to start. You're first step is to buy Brass Pots from Boytz. Once you have a few, go to the Auction House, and buy Herb Seeds (Misc.), a stack of Water Crystals and a Workbench (Furnishing) if its there. Go to Mog House and place the pots on the Workbench if you have one. If not, place them on the floor. Now plant you're Herb Seeds. Remember to check them every Real Life day. Eventually, you'll be able to feed them, this is where u feed them the Water Crystal. What you're trying to do is grow Fire Crystals. You will get lots from this method. The least amount I've gotten were 4 stacks and 8 crystals, highest was around 7 stacks and 4 crystals.* During the time this is growing, you can mine for you're last piece of the Field equip that you need, the Body.

*- Note: Sometimes (infact most of the time) you will not get Fire Crystals, and instead will get Bay Leaves. Depending on you economy, they can get a little gil (Bout 1k). Don't give up, you'll get Fire Crystals eventually, and it IS MUCH CHEAPER then buying them. On Carbuncle, all I have to do is get two stacks (2 plants out of 10) for it to be worth while. That's a good percentage.

Harvest Time!
Now that you have you're Fire Crystals, go and sign up for the Smithing Guild (Metalworks). Here you will spend a few hours leveling you're smithing up. You're first task is to make Bronze Ingots until you're level 2. This is made by using a Fire Crystal. Then add 3 Copper Ore and a Tin. Get advanced Synthesis Support to minimize breaks. On Carbuncle, you can sell a stack of these Ingots for 10k! Never buy the ore for AH though.

You're second step will be costly. You must take those Ingots and make them into sheets. Use a Fire Crystal and a Bronze Ingot to melt it into a sheet. This will reduce its cost (4k/stack on Carbuncle). I only did this until level 3, but you can do it longer (until 4).

This is the end to the Bronze line: Making Bronze Scales. This is achieved by using Wind Crystals on a Bronze Sheet. These sell for 6k/stack on Carbuncle, so It's break even. Try and buy from Guild if cheaper. Be sure to trade a Xiphos to the Guild Master to increase you're rank when you reach level 8. Once you hit level 10, its onto something new.

This is the final item you have to make before smithing pays off. Fire Crystal + 4 Tin Ore. Take this until level 15. They don't sell for much, but this is the easiest and fastest way to 15.

You should be getting a fair amount of gil from Mining while doing Smithing and Gardening on the side. Once Smithing has reached 15, you're ready for some big quick gil. Remember to trade in an Aspis (shield) for next rank at level 18.

Finally!
You're Smithing's at 15, you have all the Mining Gear, you're set for a nice, 35k+ an hour. Bring in all you're Fire Crystals, and some stacks of Pickaxes. You're going to be here for awhile. Whenever you get 4 Iron Ores, do [Fire Crystal + 4 Iron Ores]. Simple enough, yes? This will change the Ores into an Iron Ingot, which is STACKABLE! Now since every 48 Ore = 1 Stack of Iron Ingots, you can mine endlessly! On Carbuncle, you have no loss, as 48 Ores + 12 Fire Crystals is = to a stack of Iron Ingots (35k). What this does is save Auction House space, and Inventory space. This will take 2 hours (3 at most) to make two stacks. So thats 70k/day * 7 days/week = 490k/week! Half a million! If I worked really hard, and filled all my Auction House Spaces each day, thats 245k/day * 7 days/week = 1,715,000 Gil/week. All depends on how much you work at it. (Note: It will most likely take 7 hours at least to make 245k/day). Also, remember that you can still get Darksteel, which is another easy 20k, and that you have to pay for Herb Seeds, Water Crystals, and Pickaxes, which will account for making less gil/day. If you make too many Iron Ingots a day, you'll have to farm/buy Fire Crystals, which will make even less of a profit.

Hope this helps, and helps out some newer players. You do not need to be level 75 to do this, it can easily be done with a level 1 character, as long as you stay away from the Slime, which is the only thing that aggros in the mines.

This guild has taught you how to invest you're gil into a craft, and even though you were losing lots of gil at the beginning and barely making a profit, you now have an easier time making gil at a faster rate. This took me 3 days to start from scratch (Stack of Pickaxes and a Map, w/ less then a few hundred gil), however, I did have help w/ some ore from friends, (Thanks Khane), and I got a some Field Armor as a present (Thanks Aznmonk).

Summary: How to make the most with the ore you mine.

In Zeruhn Mins, this is what is best for you to do with the ore.
Pebbles => Toss
Copper => Bronze Ingot, Toss if not worth much on you're server
Tin => Bronze Ingot, Toss if not worth much on you're server
Zinc => Fame Quest for Norg (http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/quests.html?realm=&fquest=204) (You'll need it later (http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/quests.html?realm=&fquest=283)), Auction House
Silver => Auction House (When nothing else)
Iron => Iron Ingot
Darksteel => Straight to Auction House.

*Pukushu says that you should only keep Zinc, Iron, and Darksteel, as the others waste you're inventory space. Here's a good rule to go by: Keep all ore until you're running low on inventory space. Then, if you're not going to compress it into an ingot, or hand it into a quest, then drop it. Start with the least worthwhile ores, but stop at Zinc like Pukushu said. However, if you want to keep everything, then you're going to have to make a trip to town.

Recipies:

Bronze Ingot = Fire Crystal + Copper Ore (x3) + Tin Ore
Bronze Sheet = Fire Crystal + Bronze Ingot
Bronze Scales = Wind Crystal + Bronze Sheet
Tin Ingot = Fire Crystal + Tin Ore (x4)
Iron Ingot = Fire Crystal + Iron Ore (x4)

Gardening:
Brass Pot + Herb Seeds + Water Crystal = Fire Crystals