Why are the EXP Bonus equipment Bands not stackable?

[Evion]

Why are the EXP Bonus equipment Bands not stackable?

I'm sure I wasn't the only noobie that saved for both exp + bands only to find the effects weren't stackable...

Thanks,
Evion

[Armando]

Because then you'd be getting a bigger EXP bonus than they're meant to give?

The idea is that one provides a bigger bonus per kill but gives less bonus EXP overall, while the other gives a smaller bonus per kill but gives more extra EXP in total if you kill enough. The former is for soloing at really slow paces or for really short periods of time, while the latter is pretty much superior if you get EXP fast enough (e.g. an EXP party that doesn't suck.)

[Evion]

Yeah, sweet, I know how it works. Anyway, if you have one ring that gives you DEF +1 and another that gives you DEF +2, you'd imagine getting DEF +3 if you had both equipped... right?

[Ellipses]

If I had two WHMs cast Protect on me, though, I wouldn't expect to have twice as much DEF+. The XP rings grant the same enchantment. You can't double up on the same status effect.

[Aksannyi]

Probably because if they stacked, it would be just ... too ... much. They've already made it MUCH easier to level from 1-75 with the changes in XP from level to level, the addition of the weak-ass ToAU mobs, and the addition of these XP bonus rings. Hell, if you want to even figure in the Sanction bonuses from not losing the AC and Corsair's roll, you're already getting it WAY easier than people who leveled before all that crap.

They probably just don't want to dumb it down anymore. Sure, I'd love to get 600-800 xp/kill, but come on, how reasonable is that?

[jenova_9]

almost as reasonable as the amount of XP people get in the other FF games. besides people with lives would appreciate it. =P

[Aksannyi]

I'm a person with a life. I have two young kids and a full time school schedule. I'm not complaining about the amount of XP I get.

[Necropolis]

The nice thing about the Empress Ring is that it is only 1000 exp bonus total. Perhaps I'm the only one that noticed the problem with the anniversary ring when it came out?

I burned my anniversary ring soloing my BLM in a day, was a nice little gift. Later on that weekend I join a party for my RDM with a level gap of 32-33. When the party ended the level gap was 33-38. The aniversary ring was a nice gift, but part of me is glad that is was a one time thing. It caused level gaps to expand too fast in a lower level parties if everyone wasn't using it.

With the time restraints to reuse the two rechargable exp rings as they are, there would be instances where someone has already used thiers for the day and in the next party they join the people in that party using the rings would make the level gaps too large to fast and hurt the party dynamics.

Furthermore, duplicate statis effects don't stack. Yagudo drinks don't stack with the spell Refresh. Drinks that give regen don't stack with the spell. Casting stoneskin and using a stoneskin enchanment piece won't give you two stoneskins. Casting blink (or even utsusemi) won't stack with a blink band, so on and so forth.

And really, is a 500 extra exp going to make you level so much faster? It would save you 2 to 5 fights tops.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Why stack them anyway? Just use them separately. You'll still end up receiving the same amount of bonus exp overall.

[Necropolis]

Well to use them seperatly you'd have to go back to town to get one. Since you can't purchase both an empress and chariot band at the same time.

[Armando]

Why stack them anyway? Just use them separately. You'll still end up receiving the same amount of bonus exp overall.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you can only have one or the other in your possession in the first place. That aside, I'm pretty sure the conquest NPC gives you a warning about that.

[Icemage]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you can only have one or the other in your possession in the first place. That aside, I'm pretty sure the conquest NPC gives you a warning about that.
That's correct. You can't buy any EXP ring while you hold one of either type.

I don't even understand why this is an issue. It's not like you desperately require these things to gain XP. They're just a nice perk.


Icemage

[Malacite]

If I had two WHMs cast Protect on me, though, I wouldn't expect to have twice as much DEF+. The XP rings grant the same enchantment. You can't double up on the same status effect.


Go play BRD some time :3

[Armando]

Technically, you still can't have two of the same effect, otherwise you'd be allowed to have Minuet IV twice.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you can only have one or the other in your possession in the first place. That aside, I'm pretty sure the conquest NPC gives you a warning about that.
I thought maybe the OP was referring to the bonuses from Anniversary Ring and Empress/Chariot Band.

If not, then it would be possible for a player to use either Empress or Chariot band, toss the ring, purchase the other kind, and attempt to use the charge from it. And should that be the case, I stand by my question: why not just use the two charges separately?

[Vyuru]

If not, then it would be possible for a player to use either Empress or Chariot band, toss the ring, purchase the other kind, and attempt to use the charge from it. And should that be the case, I stand by my question: why not just use the two charges separately?


Because if I remember right each ring is worth 750 CP.

Use on charge, and toss an almost full ring? Not really a good idea IMO.

[Armando]

Well, you do have a point in that there's no difference between using the charges separately and using them together. But still, tossing one ring to go back to town, purchase the other, and return to your EXP party would be a huge waste of time, CP/gil, and EXP. And even if you didn't do it mid-party (e.g. switched them in between different parties the same day) it's not worth blowing through 1500 CP just to use both rings once while a single Empress Band use costs 100 CP.

Edit: Vyuru beat me to it (although the rings are worth 500 and 1000 respectively, not 750 CP each.)

[Necropolis]

Personally I don't care about the cost of the rings, I just don't feel like swapping out rings a bunch of times. Mostly I'm lazy and forget to get a ring when I get signet. I'm sitting on like 300k conquest points that are serving me no purpose.

Perhaps I'll use them when I level a craft that can level off HQing some Conquest point items.

You could use the Chariot ring in town, toss it, and get an empress, but using them together or seperate would, like stated, result in the same over all bonus. The only situation where having them stack would be usefull is if you only intend to party for like 3000 base exp that day which is typically less than an hour.

If they were to alter the rings I'd rather them shorten the reuse time on it if anything. Since my LS is fairly active, I can't always get the full use of possible charges in a ring in a week due to a 16 hour cool down. If I could use 3 charges a day though, I'd find that much more useful. Even still though, 1000 exp bonus is hardly worth a fuss. It's only saving you 5-10 fights.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

If you've just used the last charge on your ring, you're not losing anything by tossing away your ring. Well, except that it's cheaper to recharge the ring than it is to buy a brand new one.

I'm not advocating tossing out mostly charged exp rings just to try and get two exp bonus buffs at the same time. The OP is the one who suggested it. I'm just suggesting ways that the OP might have accomplished it.

[Aksannyi]

Well if I'm on my last charge (and this is kind of a gamble with pick up groups) I'll use the charge while still in town and then recharge it with the Signet guys so I can have a back-to-back xp bonus. However, you run the risk of getting screwed if your party lasts for only 3 fights.

[Necropolis]

Well if I'm on my last charge (and this is kind of a gamble with pick up groups) I'll use the charge while still in town and then recharge it with the Signet guys so I can have a back-to-back xp bonus. However, you run the risk of getting screwed if your party lasts for only 3 fights.

I often do this before I log at night as well. I'll use a charge and log out. The nice thing is that it counts down the reuse timer, but not the length of the effect timer. So when I log in, I have 3 hours to get a party and use the charge from the night before. And my ring is ready to use again!

It helps though that if I don't get a party withing an hour or so, I just hope on BLM and burn the ring charge if I think it might get wasted.

[Ellipses]

Go play BRD some time :3
That's completely different! It's... like... a thing! >:(

[Malacite]

You do know about the double-dip right?

[Evion]

You can actually use the xp bands 3 times in row... Pop it (with 2 left) before you log the night before. After that one is done (you'll need to return to town though...) pop the last. Trade to NPC and get it back with a full charge. You can pop it again once your last xp + has gone... Really nice for Qufim and Crawler's Nest.

[ioshua]

I don't know how we did it but my leveling partner accidentally doubled up on the effect from her own ring. We started with roughly the same xp (within 100) and after the rings were done she was 2000 ahead of me. We haven't tried reproducing the bug but if the stacking were linear she would have only been 1000 ahead of me. They may not let the xp mod effects stack stack because there's some weird math issue with how the xp bonus is calculated.