Introduction of the Whip?

[Evion]

Hello All,

I believe the introduction of the Dancer into FFXI is the perfect time for SE to include the introduction of the Whip. Thinking about common weapons in RPGs, one doesn't usually think "whip!". But, it is an established weapon, and one I think is being sorely missed in FFXI. Let's think of appropriate weapons for the Dancer... Knife, nah. Sword/Staff/Scythe/Club/Hammer, nah. It needs something. We don't want the dancer to just get the scraps of BRD weapons either, it needs a real weapon! I hope/vote/like/want the Whip to come to FFXI riding of the Wings of the Dancer Goddess. Now, lets consider it... Yes, a whip would go very nicely with that AF... Yes, a whip would look very good with dance moves. Yes, a whip goes very nicely with a Dancer all around. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Evion

[Necropolis]

I think you're thinking of the wrong kind of dancer....

Seeing as they've already shown videos of dancers in battle, I highly doubt that they'll add a new weapon class for one job. I believe the only other weapon type usuable by one job is the katana by ninjas, and I personally find that a pain. By adding a whip it would just be one more weapon skill to cap.

I would expect more of a baton type dance move (like a staff of sorts) to be added before adding something that would only be joked about. Too many Striper jokes about dancer already, we don't need to add dominatrix jokes in with the mix.

[Evion]

Baton! I like that. Ya know, the dominatrix thing didn't even cross my mind... I still think Whip would work well with Dancer. And, it might even work well with the pet jobs, if you think about it.

[Feba]

I think you're thinking of the wrong kind of dancer...
I lol'd.


On a serious note, at fan fest last year, the AH had three additional slots under "weapons", but they were blacked out. Hopefully SE just didn't have time to add those weapons, and we'll be seeing them this time around.

Although I'll feel kinda sorry for addenak if they add more weapons.



(does he even make charts anymore?)

[Necropolis]

I'd really like to see the Taru SMN whipping Diabolos to attack. Kind of like Ninja 2hr...yet different.

I meant baton as in more of a staff. I'd much prefer the expansion jobs to use weapons that already exist. That way I don't have to skill yet another weapon.

[Ziero]

I would expect more of a baton type dance move (like a staff of sorts) to be added before adding something that would only be joked about. Too many Striper jokes about dancer already, we don't need to add dominatrix jokes in with the mix.

...so giving a Dancer a pole would result in less jokes then giving them a whip? :P

Personally, the only weapons I could see a dancer using would be Daggers or one handed katannas. And if they were to add a new weapon class, I think some sort of Ring weapon, like a hand held Chakram, would be a better idea. It wouldn't require new attack animations and could make for some nifty WS animations.

[Evion]

I've got it! Bracelets. They'll have Bracelets that can equip in the weapon slot... And they'll flail their hands around when using them.

[Feba]

t wouldn't require new attack animations
yes it would...

[Malacite]

Whips were always the weapon of choice for dancers, but as we saw in the WotG trailer (and on the website) they clearly use daggers for their primary weapon.

[Aksannyi]

While I think a whip would be totally awesome, I don't see them adding that in. Then you have to figure in what other jobs might equip it and all the people rushing to skill up their Whip skill (LOL that just sounds funny!) and I just don't see it happening.

I could see some seriously cool animations with a dancer and a whip, in my mind. But I doubt it will happen.

And I, too, lol'ed at the "wrong kind of dancer" statement.

[DakAttack]

If you give them a baton you'll have to call them cheerleaders, and they'll want to build pyramids.

[Aksannyi]

Cheerleaders use pom-poms, noob. The honor guard flag twirly girls are the ones with batons.

[jenova_9]

whips would be great. I would like to avoid daggers, there's enough THFs as it is wielding those. ya a new weapon class would provide something new to skill up and a new style to have fun with.

but I like the Chakram/ranged weapon idea, personally I think bracelets would be cool but instead of hitting with them, their animations involve movements that release damaging close range waves of energy that cut enemies.

I think Dancer should still have decent selection of weapons they can use, especially knuckles if people want an alternate option to an assassin style (dagger), but ya the best addition would be new weapons Dancers can use. whether its whips, some type of large ring, double bladed baton, or tazer.

[Nandito]

Someone's been playing Ragnarok Online. >.>

I would actually like to see chakrams used as close-ranged weaponry. It fits the whole Dancer theme to it... sorta.

I mean, dancing around while slashing with these (http://www.toddscostumes.com/images/xena/two_piece_chakram_apart.jpg) things would be awesome! (Yes, those belong to Xena.)

[eticket109]

I think whips would be too complex for the engine the way it is

[Aksannyi]

I think whips would be too complex for the engine the way it is
Agreed, though chakram do sound kind of cool. They are rather dancer-ish, almost like gypsies with tambourines.

[Theyaden]

I think you're thinking of the wrong kind of dancer....

I would expect more of a baton type dance move (like a staff of sorts) to be added before adding something that would only be joked about. Too many Striper jokes about dancer already, we don't need to add dominatrix jokes in with the mix.

Ahhhhh I was so looking forward to the jokes and fan art with the whips ^..^
Not sure if their graphics engine could handle it, but it would definatly have a cool look if it's workable. If they added it I wonder if it would be exclusive or open to some other jobs. Just think a skillchain animation starting as the whip is being employed for screenshots.

On the other hand it would force me to level up another weapon, but I still think the humor value would be worth it. /cheer

[Aksannyi]

On another unrelated note, did anyone else thing of Bill Murray as the Whipmaster from SNL oh so long ago?

[Jarre]

I for one hope they don't ,introduce a whip. the thought of sad players thinking themselves as dominatrixes and bondage masters.

Picture the thought of some sad individual playing taru trying to cyber with all the mithras, now he has a new tool to cause sexural harrasment with.. and not forgetting all teh vids that would be made. anyone remember the humping elvan?

Would be good if they could use a deadly instrument, anyone remember the accordian with spikes the Klingon restaurant owner had in DS9, harmless to play but deadly when used as a flail weapon.

[jenova_9]

errr instruments would kinda rob the BRD spotlight. Dance is expressed from the body, not an object that produces sound, that's he BRD's job.


though ribbons might help. :P anyway I think the Dagger in the latest WotG artwork seems to imply they are getting most inspiration from the FFT Dancers, which were portrayed more like assassins. the trailer hint at that too.

[Necropolis]

I for one hope they don't ,introduce a whip. the thought of sad players thinking themselves as dominatrixes and bondage masters.

Picture the thought of some sad individual playing taru trying to cyber with all the mithras, now he has a new tool to cause sexural harrasment with.. and not forgetting all teh vids that would be made. anyone remember the humping elvan?

Pfft, I don't need a whip to cause mass sexual harrasment!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpw5OF5i3v8

[Aksannyi]

After the day I've been having, I needed that video. :rofl:

[Olorin401]

Adding a whip-style weapon to this game would absolutely ROCK. And Dancer wouldn't be the only job that could make good use of it (can anyone say BST or COR?!)

How about a chakram-style weapon that doubles as a tambourine? Or maybe some throwing maracas?

And of course, we can always use more cowbell.

[NicasinXS]

I like the idea of the whip. Like many weapons I imagine the whip would have a heavy counterpart for other job classes like the wand vs the hammer. Flails could also fall into the whip catagory. Flails rocked with ninjas in fft so why not.

I dont remember very well, I think Quistis from ff8 had a whip.

[jenova_9]

yes Quistis was the only main character in FF that solely specialized with a whip. Though I think in FF6 or the earlier ones, there was a whip class weapon some can equip. well ya FF1 definitely had flails/nunchucks.

[Feba]

I think whips would be too complex for the engine the way it is

Why? It would be simple. It's just another animation. This isn't an action game.

SE makes a few whip cracking animations, an animation for holding it, an animation for a few emotes and jump, and that's it. there's nothing 'too complex' about it, although the animators might dislike it. It would be more WORK than other weapons, but it wouldn't cause any problems for the client.

[jenova_9]

they can animate a slinky water dragon, they can animate a whip. :)

PSU AOI has whips and those don't have any complicated animations.

and Quistis in FF8 only had a single whip attack animation, think of what they can do in FF11. oh ya I can just imagine the Whip weapon skills. :)

[eticket109]

ok, let me restate it. it's possible but I doubt they would want to put the work into it.

all of the weapons in use so far are static and solid. a whip is fluid. I'm sure it's possible to program but I don't see SE undertaking the work to do so. they've continuously shown their reluctance to upgrade or modify things in the game.

[jenova_9]

well there's upgrade and modify. then there's adding new stuff, which WotG will offer. I'm not counting on whip, but it seems more possible than chakrams as a main.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

If they added a whip, mithra would be doomed to Catwoman/Dominatrix connotations forever. Well, in some cases they already are /shrug

And I'd also demand that I get to use it like Indiana Jones. Its so damn annoying to have to walk around every obstacle, I want to latch onto a tree branch and swing across chasms and stuff >.>

[Feenicks]

I can't believe no one's mentioned this yet but ...

Whips were traditionally the weapons used by BST in all previous FF's. Dancers have always equipped knives, as far as I can remember.

It would be interesting if they announced Geomancer - they always used to attack with Bells for some strange reason.

[Yellow Mage]

It would be interesting if they announced Geomancer - they always used to attack with Bells for some strange reason.

we can always use more cowbell.

Here's your reason.

[jenova_9]

well in Tactics, Dancers had

Great abilities
Good attack power
Great range
No MP required
Great movement skills
Better than a bard

their cons were Low defense and Low evade%

and if I remember, Dancers in FFT could use cloths as a weapon, and H Bags.