headgear @ 75

[Brayden]

Greetings,

My wife is wearing almost full Pahluwan gear at 74, and wanted to know if it would be better to melee in the Pahluwan Qalansuwa (+7 acc, +5 atk, and full set = enchance subtle blow) or to wear the Walahara Turban (+5% haste, +30 MP/HP) instead. Shes a very casual player, so she wont get access to any god gear anytime soon.

[Necropolis]

I'd suggest the Walahara Turban personally. Subtle blow as a trait in exp parties isn't really going to show a difference when you consider you have 3 or 4 other people hitting on the mob.

She could swap to the Pahluwan during WS for extra attack if she has nothing better, but I believe she'd gain TP faster and do more damage over time using the turban.

[AngryUndead]

I was going to disagree, but after thinking about it, unless you're having problems hitting then 5% more hitting is going to do you more good than +5 attack, as the amount of damage that comes out of it will be better.

In any case I think its important to note that the difference will be slight. We're talking going from a minimum 300 delay to 285. This is full Martial Arts, no fist weapons. That equates to like one extra attack round every few minutes.

I think that higher delay weapons (like the Spartan Cesti) would do better with haste, but I'm not sure... and can't be arsed to do the math right now.

[pyromaniac]

Go Turban for TP Build the 5% will make u build in TP Faster but for Head on WS sub in Ohat if she has access to it or a Acc+ Piece due to Asuran is 8hits and Afists only Succeeds when all 8hits connect which can bring a MNK to High DPS and High WS's making them stronger then most DDs were only certain geared jobs could over due them

[Chett]

Agreed........ Monks are great DD's when built properly ACC is very important as well as Speed. Hitting faster and more often = much more damage over time. If she doesn't have the acc problem the turban is best.

Fashion Statement though lmao the turban is butt ugly XD. I put mine on in fights only.

[tdh]

As much as I hate the way that damn Turban looks on just about all races, when you couple that Brown Belt with the Turban, and perhaps another item, you're looking at a nearly a full Haste spell worth of Haste. Hit faster, build TP faster, WS sooner is all you want in a Meripo. For something like Missions or HNM activities, she may have other requirements. I know you said a casual player, but with a full set of Pahluwan that pushers her past the casual level. That's a lot of work and Assaults to get that full set.

I would put in Acc for A. Fists as well to make sure all hits land to get those numbers up.

[haazim]

Use the turban. IMO the pahl set is really geared twoard pup. (i have both monk and pup at 75) 5 att isnt gonna help you much but that extra speed will. Puppetmaster lacks in att so that head piece is insane for them. monks not so much.

[Mog]

How well merited is your wife on hand-to-hand merits? Haste is great and all, but it won't mean a hill of beans if you're not making the most of your accuracy and missing your Asuran Fists.

If she has full hand-to-hand merits, I would say use the turban for haste-build. Otherwise, stick with the Optical Hat for accuracy until she gets more merits.

[Sabaron]

Optical Hat for WS.
Wahlara Turban for DoT.

If you're doing an attack build (I don't play MNK, so I'm not sure if it's viable), but Carapace Helm offers the highest +Atk on head slot for MNK.

[Aeolus]

I use the Turban to TP and Acc 1st/Atk 2nd/ Str 3rd for ws'. Ohat's nice for ws' but Id rather use the Shura head as you get Str as well as acc.

[Armando]

If you're doing an attack build (I don't play MNK, so I'm not sure if it's viable), but Carapace Helm offers the highest +Atk on head slot for MNK.It's pretty dangerous to stay in the orange 24/7.

[Aeolus]

Attack builds usually work around having the max haste possible to you as well though. I don't know if there is enough equipment available to give enough Atk+ to make up for the loss of 21-25% haste.

[Spinnthrift]

Not knowing everything about the gears your wife has, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say stick with the Pahluwan Head.

The guys are right saying haste is good.. *but* without enough accuracy/attack in the first place, haste is wasted.

If she's not well merited, and well geared (saying no God gears - I'm going to assume the same for Salvage gears also).. stick with the P. Head for now. Yes - the O-Hat will give more acc, but the Pahl Set isn't bad for the beans

[Armando]

The guys are right saying haste is good.. *but* without enough accuracy/attack in the first place, haste is wasted.Thing is, this is Haste head vs Acc/Attack head, not haste set vs acc/attack set. The head slot won't make or break anyone's performance.

Assume for a second that his wife has no Haste gear, and only has 15% base Haste to work with from the Haste spell. The improvement in attack speed resultant from equipping the turban over having nothing on your head is going to be 0.85/0.80 = 1.0625, or 6.25%. The improvement in hit rate over no head equipment can also be found by dividing "New Hit Rate"/"Old Hit Rate". With an O-Hat, her new hit rate will be her old hit rate + 5. If her "old" hit rate is higher than 80%, then the improvement will be less than the turban's.

To be honest she's going to want both. 5% Haste is worth a lot when if for whatever reason you find yourself in a situation where a lot of Haste is available to you (Haste spell + double Soul Voice'd Marches will already put you pretty high.) Pahluwan Head is useful if her hit rate without it is at 80% or less.

[Aeolus]

She's going to have at least a brown belt tho so would the 13% haste not be better in that case?

I know they are only asking about the head but in reality I'd hope a 75Mnk would have the brown belt.

[Spinnthrift]

Armando - yes - you're right, but listen to what the OP's saying.. this is a 74 monk who's not got god gear. I might be wrong, but I'd wager that means no BB either. Or a lot of things we assume for granted won't be ready in this case.

The whole Pahluwan set gives a decent modicum of acc.

If you were asking, what would *I* wear, right now.. I'd be all over that Walmart Turban like a rash, but prior to getting the gear and merits I have - if you're whiffing, whiffing faster doesn't help.

To hit Lolibri (fairly standard meripo mob) with 95% acc you need 408 total accuracy (skill + dex + acc), an unmerited monk won't have near that. You're right, for a decently gear meriting monk, but without at least meriting H2H up and getting some decent finishing gear.

With decent gear, haste is king - I won't argue that, you and I both know it, but if my gut feel is correct, she won't benefit fully from the haste *yet*. Little down the line, and the story changes, but it's easy to be at less than 80% acc without an O-Hat on merit party mobs, and since he's asking about the P.Head... I'm guessing no O-Hat either.

[Sabaron]

It's pretty dangerous to stay in the orange 24/7.

I seem to have missed the fact that the effect on attack is "Latent" when reviewing the list of high-level MNK gears... MB.

[Aeolus]

Armando - yes - you're right, but listen to what the OP's saying.. this is a 74 monk who's not got god gear. I might be wrong, but I'd wager that means no BB either. Or a lot of things we assume for granted won't be ready in this case.


BB in this case = black belt right? Theres no excuse for a 74 monk thats got no equip at all not to be able to quest the brown belt, its not hard anymore and its not expensive to buy either.

[Armando]

Aeolus: Good catch. I always forgot about the MNK belts. With Brown Belt the improvement with Turban would be 0.77/0.72, almost 7%. For O-Hat to be better her hit rate would need to be lower than 72%, and for P. head, it'd have to be lower than 50.4% (but that's not really an accurate comparison since the Attack increase needs to be taken into account as well, and that would get messy. Let's just use 72%.)

Spinthrift: Is the difference between 75 merited MNK and 74 unmerited that big? The 75 has 13 more Skill in his favor, and the Lv.74 has one more level of acc penalty (-4 Acc). That adds up to 15 Acc, or a 7.5% hit rate difference. That's painful, but it's not the 30 Acc difference between 95% hit rate and 80%. Is there something I'm missing? Granted, using 95% is a worst case scenario comparison, but still.

In either case I'd still recommend getting the both of them since even if W.Turban is slightly better, it doesn't do anything for WS, and your hit rate is going to vary at different camps too.

[Spinnthrift]

My personal experiences with an A ranked weapon and parses said that until I'd started putting merits in and a lot of +acc gear, the haste wasn't helping as much as it does now.

Brown Belt means they're losing another +10 or +8 possible acc depending on belt, with back piece most often as Amemet, so another possible acc slot gone, leaving Rings, Neck, Ammo (which at best is +2 for Monk).

The other benefit of the P. Head - is the attack bonus, which also helps the damage.

On Thf, when I hit 75, I thought Yay! Haste gearz! I'll be leet, and so swapped out all my funky gear like AJ/SH/etc for haste set, and boy was I disappointed. Felt like I couldn't hit the side of a barn. So it all came back till I started getting merits/gear to replace the lost acc.

I realise in other threads - I've espoused the merits of haste, and - I know exactly what haste does, but with an unknown quantity, I'd say go for Acc/Attack first until you get the gear available for it.

[Aeolus]

Mnk - never take your brown or black belt off, ever.

8/8 hand merits, sniper/+1, Pcharm or Faith torque should be enough acc even too eat meat. Ive never had trouble hitting.

[Spinnthrift]

Yes Aeolus, now read the OP. Level 74 Monk without God gear. No Torque, I doubt muchly Snipers +1 and no merits.

[Aeolus]

Ok but sniper ring x2 anyone can afford these days.

[Spinnthrift]

That's the difference between monks though and why I was saying - go with the Acc/Attack gear for now. When they've got that margin better - full speed on full haste gear. I agree with everyone on that point, but not till they're really getting the best out of it.

You see what I was trying to say now?

[Aeolus]

I understand what your saying.

Im saying, get 2x snipers, turban, brown belt and the fuma sun-ate(like 100k now) which gives a total of +16% haste and is alot better than wearing optical hat full time. Its far from perfect for a haste/acc/atk setup but it will maximise your dmg on mnk with a small budget and no access to end game items. Eat sushi if your still missing.