will there be exclusive Dancer gear every 10 levels?

[jenova_9]

That would be a nice option, I mean most of the gear out now is really for mages and warriors and stuff like that but Dancers should get their own sets of wardrobe and unique clothes and visible accessories available in the AH with each set aimed towards filling in the gear a Dancer should get next every 10 levels or so,
without having to wait until like around 60 to get AF gear that fits their job's nature.

cause you know since this is a new expansion, hopefully the gear and costumes and stuff get a huge upgrade that will provide expecially the new Jobs with more wardrobe options and alternatives to yesterday's gear, and still effective for parties without their stats looking gimped.

[DakAttack]

Puppetmasters didn't get any unique gear for the unique position in the job spectrum, and Dragoons are cursed with crap to choose from between levels one and fifty. Costumes and wardrobes for dances are mostly cultural, whereas for the actual dance itself depends mostly on the steps and moves. I doubt Dancers will get any special treatment.

[siwarz]

What are dancers going to be good at in partys ? anybody read about them

[DakAttack]

What are dancers going to be good at in partys ? anybody read about them

Do you type your posts out in the dark or something? Turn a light on.

SE has given us a little information on Dancers. So, yea, we've read about them.

[siwarz]

Do you type your posts out in the dark or something? Turn a light on.

SE has given us a little information on Dancers. So, yea, we've read about them.

i cant get onto the wings of the goddess website... it wont load on the computer i am on.
and i dont know were any other info is about the dancer class.

you dont have to be so sharp, by the time u thought of that to insult me, you could of just explained a little to me

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I'd assume Dancers would get MNK/SAM/NIN type or RNG/COR/THF type cloth armor, at the very least, I doubt they'd wear anything too heavy or too mage-like.

[Jei]

Probably group buffs/debuffs similar to bard.

Giving exclusive gears every x level is something SE has never done before. I doubt they'll start doing that for dancers.

[jenova_9]

Since they never done it before, that's all the more reason to offer something like that and would excite and promote much better!

cause it will almost be like buying an AF-quality set of gear every 10 levels, each with unique fashion styles that perfectly match your job. ^_^

[Armando]

Except there's no reason to give one job special treatment and AF-quality gear every 10 levels while the other 18 jobs have to deal with the plain-as-unbuttered-bread, recycled-look, mediocre-stat-boost pieces of armor 'til 60 (and back again after that, because every DD wears a Haubie or Scorp Harness.)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Since they never done it before, that's all the more reason to offer something like that and would excite and promote much better!

cause it will almost be like buying an AF-quality set of gear every 10 levels, each with unique fashion styles that perfectly match your job. ^_^

That would be a great idea of jobs could be 100% complete on release, but sadly, that's just not how MMORPGs work.

It starts out with the developer's idea of the job, then how the players work with that job. From there, the developer has to decide if their vision for the job was better or if the players' interpretation(s) of the jobs are better. Sometimes players do things with the job the developer never considered.

They didn't plan for NIN to be a tank and I don't think they really intended for BST or PUP to be proficient soloists, yet that's how they all panned out and that's they direction they now move them in.

In the case of PUP, I think SE settled on the fact that the players that "wanted a Necromancer" really had no fucking idea what they wanted and SE recently rounded out PUP more to their original vision of PUP being mage-like, though they still augmented their soloablity.

SE wanted COR to be akin to BRD, but there was a lot of disparity between the buffs they shared and BRDs started to become more common as pullers and neglect their duties as party buffers, so the strength in buffing is now on COR's side, though both jobs still possess their own strengths in buffing. And CORs favor a melee approach, so they get gear to suit that.

I think giving Dancer AF-like gear would rob both SE and the players of the ability to mold and influence the job to fit into the online realm. Its best to leave lots of room to experiment with new jobs rather than box them in like the originals.

[Balfree]

Oh dear...

The thought of a Galka DRK/DNC... full DRK AF, doing a dance like you see on the trailer... i can only lol!

And dancing pirates! and dancing ninjas! LMAO dancing elvaan WARRIORS on full afs! LMAO! Oh my god this is gonna be fun, and i dont even mean in a stupid way, im going to enjoy it thoroughly.

[Kuro]

Oh god, me and litten will probably be danceing on the Ashu Talif on day 1 lol

[WishMaster3K]

Balfree, I thanked you just so I could remove it.

[Balfree]

DAAANCING GAAAALLLLKKKKAAAS!

*invades your dreams*

[Mhurron]

cause it will almost be like buying an AF-quality set of gear every 10 levels
So would dancers AF like gear be as useless as most jobs AF or useful like the few sets that are? Or would it alternate, 10, 30, 50 and 70 are useless and 20, 40, 60 are decent?

[Karinya]

Why is a RDM and BLM saying that "most jobs AF" are useless? Melee DDs often wear generic melee-DD stuff (because acc and atk is more useful than enhancements to their job's unique abilities, with a few exceptions like Double Attack and Meditate), but pretty much everyone else has use for at least some of their AF.

Few people wear their full AF full time - which is fine, otherwise there'd be no point in having any other level 50-low 60s gear. But several jobs have at least some pieces usable into the 70s and a few pieces can't be effectively replaced at all except by AF+1.

Whichever piece(s) have +dance skill will probably be good forever (skill is typically very hard to get outside your AF, and extremely valuable for people using resistible magic), maybe a CHR piece or two if dancing is CHR based.

[WishMaster3K]

Mhurron is just an angry person in general. I love my AF.

But then again, I'm a RDM and PLD, so I'm biased. I'd probably be thinking differently if I was, say, a NIN or DRK and the majority of my pieces weren't worth getting.

[Mhurron]

Why is a RDM and BLM saying that "most jobs AF" are useless?
then again, I'm a RDM and PLD, so I'm biased. I'd probably be thinking differently if I was, say, a NIN or DRK and the majority of my pieces weren't worth getting.
It might have something to do with a word I used, I think it was 'set.' I could be wrong, I only wrote it.

[Omni]

This is like the lamest fanboy pipe dream I've read in quite some time.

[tazirai]

Probably group buffs/debuffs similar to bard.
Giving exclusive gears every x level is something SE has never done before. I doubt they'll start doing that for dancers.

I think Dancer will be similar to a cross between red mages and bards.
Probably have alot of AOE style skill sets.

[Pai Pai Master]

Are people having that much trouble seeing that Dancer is most likely a DD job? Basically says it right there in the description.

[Mhurron]

I guess it would be dancers confusion kicking in.

[WishMaster3K]

Yeah that seems to be the origin of it. I already have Dagger post 200. I'd possibly level Dancer since I'm a stickler for support jobs.

And Dancing Edge.

Yeah. Dancing Edge.

But doesn't DE's damage generally blow w/o SA and/or TA?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Are people having that much trouble seeing that Dancer is most likely a DD job? Basically says it right there in the description.

Most people don't have a fundamental understanding of Final Fantasy beyond the one that had the number "VII" at the end of it.

Since BRDs since and Dancers dancer, Dancer must be like BRD. They've never played FFV, FFT or dared to touch FFX-2 to know its more of an enfeebler/DD.

I mean, CORs are just like BRDs, right? Because BRDs totally use guns and have good buffs beyond refresh for mages and can buff pets. I tell those BRDs to sing those Store TP and Double Attack songs all the time :P

[Armando]

But doesn't DE's damage generally blow w/o SA and/or TA?Not with a strong dagger. It has high enough stat mods that its base DMG is high enough to be decent. Look at it this way, Rampage and Vorpal have 30% STR mods. Dagger DMG + 40% DEX mod + 30% CHR mod ~= Axe/Sword DMG + 30% STR mod. Granted, it's not a crit WS but whatever.

THFs solo DE all the time in merits because it's not worth waiting for your SA/TA timer if it's not within like 5 seconds of you having gotten 100 TP.

[Omni]

DE dmg is OK w/o fuidama. obviously its greater with fuidama but its not bad like some of the other dagger ws.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Think I might work on THF to sub level just in case it proves to be a good sub for Dancer. I've pretty much needed to get around to it anyway for general NM camping and as a sub toward BLU. Even if it doesn't work out for Dancer, it won't be a total loss.

[Karinya]

Yeah that seems to be the origin of it. I already have Dagger post 200. I'd possibly level Dancer since I'm a stickler for support jobs.
And Dancing Edge.
Yeah. Dancing Edge.
But doesn't DE's damage generally blow w/o SA and/or TA?
Two answers:

1. Maybe that's why they show the dancer in the trailer using Evisceration instead.

2. Not with Sword Dance (which they'd probably rename something like Blade Dance so people don't complain about not being able to do it with actual swords). It'd be the obvious way of making Dancer capable of putting out some real damage, while still restricting it to daggers, without screwing too much with daggers in general in ways that would affect other jobs. Self only, a significant atk, STR and/or DMG buff. Maybe only next hit - FFV Sword Dance was only one hit, but it was a BIG hit. Weaker than main THF's SATA since it's on a job that can also most likely do some support, but not so weak as to be useless.

Probably restrict it in some way to prevent two handed DDs from subbing DNC to do massive damage - either amount of effect skill based, or level 38+, or only works on daggers. (Allowing thieves to use it at some effectiveness probably wouldn't hurt, since they got left out of the last couple rounds of 2h love, despite not being in the "uber" tier with the rest of the dual wielders.)

[WishMaster3K]

Oh, someone said it was Dancing Edge, and I didn't double check.

And it made sense to me, since who else would be a perfect fit for DE other than a Dancer?

[Balfree]

After giving it some thought, not many jobs use Daggers effectively, right? I only see Thieves using daggers to deal damage, rangers and corsairs probably use them too but not for dealing damage, they use their RA's for damage. I'd love to see Dancer be a frontline DDer to be honest, while also being a very respectable debuffer.

[Armando]

You would be correct, Balfree. The only other jobs that come to mind are RDM/NIN or BRD/NIN with Blau Dolch/Joyeuse for Evisceration spam (which is a heck of a lot better than 100 TP Savage Blade spamming.) But that's ridiculously level-specific.

[jenova_9]

oh hey this just in!

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/news-ffxi/68735-dancers-maidens-battlefield-10-22-2007-a.html


the Bastok Blight seems to provde not only will Dancers be able to massively enfeeble enemies, but possibly cure the status inflictions of their allies, at no MP cost! think of it as a multi-targeting Esuna!!!!! O_O if its true that would be so cool. ^_^

[Karinya]

Well, I'm not sure about that. But the same blurb does include mention of Sword Dance (at least, that's the translation someone has provided), so possibly it will be making an appearance in some form.

Forgot to mention in the discussion of AF above - I hope the flower has Dancing Skill +15, so it's one piece you definitely want to keep till 75. (Yes, even on bald guys and Galkas. It'd be funny.)

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

They made reference to the martial arts when they were talking about dancer in today's news, so I think we're looking at the class being included in the cloth armor usually reserved for SAM, NIN and MNK.

That would make a bit of sense, because cloth armor encourages mobility.

[Omni]

oh gosh please, no dancers in Gis and hakamas... maybe the kimono/yukata type but not the Gi.

[jenova_9]

I still say my exclusive new Dancer gear for every 10 levels would be great and offer more variety. reusing the same 'ol gear everyone else uses is kinda redundant for a new job, especially a Dancer to get stuck using.

but the good thing is that at least for the first 10 levels, people could use uh what's it called, the orange event clothes that looks like Dancer clothes? yeah that will be fun to wear, but party wise, people would expect gear that actually improves your stats. XD

[Magoo]

Since both dex and chr are stat modifiers for dancing edge, I would imagine DE will be superior for a dancer compared to evisceration. This is assuming that dancers will generally have a lot of charisma and decent dex as well.

Evisceration tends to be less accurate and generally sucks without loads of dex and crit gear.

[jenova_9]

I wonder what weapons they can use besides dagger.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I could see dancers with shortswords since classes with a B or higher skill in dagger usually do have at least a B in sword.

Or maybe my Joyeuse is just hoping that.

[Ziero]

I could see dancers with shortswords since classes with a B or higher skill in dagger usually do have at least a B in sword.
Or maybe my Joyeuse is just hoping that.
Joyeuse is more of a Rapier then a short sword, but I will agree that most 'non-mage' jobs have some skill with a short sword.

Though one thing I noticed, there's a pic with Dancer af looking clothes sorta just clumped up...and on top of it are two metal rings far too large to be braclettes or neck pieces.

Perhaps new JSE ring weapons for Dancer? Certainly wouldn't be a first.

[jenova_9]

ha, rings used like chakrams or something? that would be fun, I get miffed that my PLD can't use classic boomerangs. :P

but ya actually a new weapon class for Dancers would be great. ohhh imagine if they add whips? :)

[Tekumel]

Meh, I'm still holding out for Dancer AF to be pasties, a thong, and stilletos. Especially now that there's absolute confirmations that Dancer's not gender based...Galka in heels anyone?

[jenova_9]

well they already showed both genders AF in the trailer, since they were all dancing on stage, naturally the other races will wear those too. :P

[Creudant]

I thought the males in the trailer were only wearing a Cotehardie. >.>

[jenova_9]

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/general-ffxi-discussion/68968-new-info-wotg-found-must-read.html

well this confirms many many things. especially about Dancer. I couldn't help but laugh my ass off seeing that bearded guy in Dancer AF. now if only there was a Galka in that AF. XD


anyways since Dancer now looks like it has many supportive abilities, I think BRD might in fact be a great sub for it. The ultimate support combination, possibly.