Convert Ratio Fun

[WishMaster3K]

No Food.

And I don't own a lick of any of that fancy smancy End-Game Gear.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8042/img20070912000722np2.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img20070912000722np2.jpg)

Edit:
Yes, I'm broke. Leveling Clothcraft does that -_-

[Skoal]

Thats a long time for a mog locker to be rented.

[WishMaster3K]

Yeah I dropped a stack of 99 in there because I was tired of not having access to it >_>

[Mhurron]

Dude, you're like broke.

[WishMaster3K]

Yeah, but thankfully, my sugarmommas keep me well fed.

Honestly though.. If it was up to my favorite Mithra MNK, I'd be half-naked when I {Cover} her, but she "likes a hard Taru better than a soft one."

This thread went to a different place.

[FortMan]

Have you considered Intensifying Cape (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Intensifying_Cape)? It's from Assault, so it's not really fancy end-game item. ^^;

[WishMaster3K]

Yeah, but it's 200k.

[Callisto]

It's a bit harder as an Elvaan, but I started carrying a few extra MP pieces around to swap in for Convert, so that I can cure to full after without losing much MP, then I switch back to my potency pieces. As /BLM I have about a 5:4 HP to MP ratio going when I swap in pieces to Convert.

[Sanctuary]

996mp that's very good. Personally, I came to the conclusion that all you need is 1k for convert ratio...anymore then that will generally go to waste since these days /whm is the standard. My current convert ratio is 1040mp...old areas I can go upto 1080mp as /whm but requires me carrying one extra item. And yeah, without food, I do have max mp merits (8/8 = 80mp). I will admit...it's nice to go /smn just to see how much mp you have...I think I have 1250...

[Callisto]

Damn Tarus LoL...my 5:4 ratio is while using Marron Glace and swapping in 80-100 MP worth of gear :(

[Icemage]

You don't "need" all that crazy endgame gear to get a fantastic convert ratio on RDM, but it certainly doesn't hurt.

I'm closing in on 1100/1100 with food. I need to pick up a Magnetic Earring and a Loquacious Earring to hit those figures as RDM/WHM at 75.

I'll see if I can post some pics later.


Icemage

[Aidryen]

what do you mean Convert ratio? and what is the point of switching gear just for convert?

[Armando]

To get more MP.

By Convert ratio they mean the ratio of HP to MP. If it's something like 1000/800 then that's 200 MP that went to waste because your max MP couldn't hold it. Ideally, max HP should equal max MP, but of course having 800/800 isn't any better than 1000/800. Basically, you want to bring the lower of the two up to par with the higher one.

[Raydeus]

I'm at 1030something as a Hume RDM with food, with the proper gear I should be able to hit at least 1100 as a RDM/BLM. As RDM/WHM I should be around 950+ with food.

But I don't know if that's good or bad nowadays.

Does anyone know what's the max Convert number with all the uber gear and whatever Race is the most apropiate?

[hongman]

Zenith's is my best friend when I convert >.> but I'm a damn elvaan, and I really dont think I could hit near 1:1 without "endgame" gear.

[Kirsteena]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/Kirsteena/convertshopped.jpg

I have Warlock's Tabard +1, so I can actually add another 10 more mp in there, giving me the perfect vert ratio.

And yes, I have endgame gear, but I'm an elf, so... I needs!

[Icemage]

Not much end-gamy about my RDM gear since it's not my primary job, but here's my current convert setup on RDM. I can squeeze another 20MP if I'm in a Conquest-active zone not controlled by my home city (i.e. Dynamis, Al'taieu, Limbus, etc.) due to the Republic Gold Medal.

http://endrop.com/album/photos/qymd2mz3yyjygmjjkinz.jpg (http://endrop.com/)

Gears shown:

Crimson Blade
Astral Aspis
Hedgehog Bomb
Walahra Turban
Fenrir's Torque (daytime shot +30MP)
Pigeon Earringx2 (NQ)
Warlock's Tabard
Creek M Mitts
Bomb Queen Ring
Tamas Ring
Empowering Mantle
Heirarch Belt
Warlock's Tights
Errant Pigaches

Active food: Marron Glace (MP+65).
Active merits: HP+70

There's a LOT of gears I could upgrade to make this better. Loquacious/Magnetic Earrings, something like Crimson at the body/leg piece. Assuming I could find one, a Kinnara Pole from Assault + Staff Strap would add a ton to my Convert efficiency too. Intensifying Cape would be nifty as well.

[Raydeus]

Nice, so it could be possible for a taru to hit 1200+ish mp for Convert with the right gear.

What I really like about this is that the difference between a well equiped Taru and a well equiped hume isn't as much as I thought it would be. :thumbsup:


If only macros allowed me to swap all the MP gear on with a single macro. :worry:

[tdh]

As /BLM I'm close. 1114 HP to 998 MP (8/8 MP Merits, no food, Elvaan). Still a number of MP items I would like to get my hands on though. Elvaan RSE 2 gloves, Faerie Hairpin, and Hedgehog Bomb would give me another 86MP, toss in the 80MP from Glace and I got it done. Only thing I have that's remotely end game would be Dls. Gloves +1, but the only thing helpful there would be the INT+5, and not the MP. I'd love Zenith Mitts for nuking, and the mitts plus the crown for Convert.

My LS knows I'm MP hungry. There's a Hume RDM in my LS who kinda oggles my MP since I have nearly 300 more MP than she does. lol

[Khidir]

lol put your phantom on=P

[Callisto]

what do you mean Convert ratio? and what is the point of switching gear just for convert?

The main reason to switch in MP gear just for Convert and then switch back to your normal gear is that you can cure yourself to full, then switch back to your potency gear and not really have lost a lot of MP in the exchange.

Stacking MP gear as RDM isn't really ideal if you're doing anything other than main healing or possibly ChainStunning, but it's nice to carry some MP pieces on you for Convert.

[AngryUndead]

So, basically, if I ever level RDM, I'm screwed. I'll have like roflhp and lolmp.

I'm coming to terms with my galka-ness, but slowly.

[Aksannyi]

I don't maximize my Convert ratio ... {shh}

Actually I know about it and why I should do it but I swap in one MP piece for my converts and that seems to be good enough for me.

[FreakinRican]

I have about 596/594 right now on my taru. He's level 50 and its been keeping pretty steady HP and MP wise. I hope that trend continues. :D

Also rdm boots get! (whenever I get home and dig them up)

[Icemage]

I have about 596/594 right now on my taru. He's level 50 and its been keeping pretty steady HP and MP wise. I hope that trend continues. :D
Also rdm boots get! (whenever I get home and dig them up)
It will continue to keep pace, yes. Actually I find I have to be extremely careful with gear on my Taru on those rare occasions when I use /BLM because I'll end up with more MP than HP...

By the by, I'm closing in on 1200MP convert ratio on my 75 RDM. Desperately need a +MP body piece like Warlock+1 or Crimson, though. I'll see if I can grab a screenshot tonight and post it.


Icemage

[WishMaster3K]

Actually I find I have to be extremely careful with gear on my Taru on those rare occasions when I use /BLM because I'll end up with more MP than HP...

Tell me about it.. I have my macros tailor made to WHM sub, and it works out nicely, but if I'm subbing BLM, my ratios are skewed slightly.

Also, I REALLY hate when RDMs Divine Seal and Cure 4 after a Convert.

That's a waste of a JA and a waste of 88MP. After I convert, I Cure 3 and Regen, and I keep Regening. By the time Convert is back up, I'm at full health, or if the WHM has MP, they'll cure me.

Idk, it just pisses me off as a waste, and I don't know who spread the idea where it was a good combination. That Divine Seal is better suited for tacking on to a curaga II in case something looks really bad..

Maybe I'm ranting, but DS+CureIV after a Convert seems really selfish.

[Aksannyi]

Since I don't sub WHM ... ever ... I don't bother with Divine Seal. One Cure IV is fine and usually the WHM will Regen III me up to full.

Drain is also wonderful after convert, and how else do you think I capped my Dark Magic skill?

[Murphie]

I can see where it could seem that way. I suppose it just depends on the individual party. I mean, if I'm going to be called on to do things where I might pull hate a lot in a party (like sleep adds, or whatever), getting myself back up to full asap is what's most important. But if it's like a meripo, where I have all the time in the world to get my HP back, then it makes less sense to worry about that.

Plus, if I have convert merits, DS isn't going to be ready every time anyway.

I don't even remember what it's like to sub BLM.

[Raydeus]

I don't even remember what it's like to sub BLM.

I do! Mainly because I subbed BLM for 8-3 last night. <.<

[Aksannyi]

I am still refusing to sub WHM in xp and go without a WHM present. I either duo merits with my BLM friend, I get a full traditional XP party with a WHM and an actual tank and maybe even a skillchain, or I don't merit. Simple as that.

[Icemage]

Also, I REALLY hate when RDMs Divine Seal and Cure 4 after a Convert.

That's a waste of a JA and a waste of 88MP. After I convert, I Cure 3 and Regen, and I keep Regening. By the time Convert is back up, I'm at full health, or if the WHM has MP, they'll cure me.

Idk, it just pisses me off as a waste, and I don't know who spread the idea where it was a good combination. That Divine Seal is better suited for tacking on to a curaga II in case something looks really bad..

Maybe I'm ranting, but DS+CureIV after a Convert seems really selfish.
I used to be that way too, and for anyone else I'm still sort of that way, but a DS + Cure IV doesn't even come close to putting me back to full HP (see above screenshot for proof).

Since I'm on a 9 minute Convert counter (Convert recast merit level 3), even that's not always possible, but it's a guaranteed 88MP savings versus a "maybe" on Curaga II.

I'm pretty active in merit parties with Sleep II for extra links, so a few extra HP is critical to keep myself up and running, and it means I don't have to spend as much time casting Regen on myself (at 1100MP convert efficiency, even with Regen going full time, it'd be about 6 minutes before I get back to 1000ish HP if I don't use DS + C4).

I'm also in a position to no longer care about MP efficiency as much though. With 9 minute convert timer and 1100MP convert ratio and wearing Vermillion Cloak 90% of the time when not spellcasting, I have more MP than I know what to do with sometimes; I usually end up nuking Blizzard III's before Convert if everyone's topped off just so I can get some mileage out of all the extra MP.


Icemage

[WishMaster3K]

Yeah my Convert is fully merited. I've only been in one party where I was stressed for MP, but then again, not really after I got the hang of it. Hasting the melee so they get shadows up faster is better than cure 3 spamming.

I just don't like Cure 4 in general, because I can heal more MP with two Cure 3s and there is less enmity.

But the enmity argument is moot, because, well, Melee have a ton of spammage, and there is more than enough -enmity on mage gear going around.

But I'm anti C4, as I stated, so maybe I'm being biased, lol..

Oh yeah, and I don't know what it's like to sub BLM either. I fumble when I look for my Elemental Seal macro..

[Icemage]

Did a quick run to the AH and updated my RDM convert gears.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/9/10/11/t_convert2m_9e5ee24.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/10/11/f_convert2m_9e5ee24.jpg&srv=img32)

1196HP vs. 1073MP as RDM75/WHM37

No food effect active this time - with Marron Glace this puts me at 1196/1138.

Blue Cotehardie is a stopgap measure until I can obtain something nicer, but it'll do for now.


Icemage

[WishMaster3K]

Interesting gear choice, IM. I see what you did there. What are your merits, all categories?

[Icemage]

Interesting gear choice, IM. I see what you did there. What are your merits, all categories?
HP+70
STR+1
Enfeebling Magic +14
Convert Recast -60 seconds
Wind Accuracy+3
Slow II Lv1
Cure Cast Time -20%
Foe Sirvente Lv1

My RDM merits are mostly incomplete because I don't ever play RDM main for important stuff, just for merit parties really, or the occasional Assault. Basically just enough to get me by and remove headaches like self-hasting enemies and improve my Silence rate on those thrice-bedamned wind aligned Mamool Ja spellcasters.


Icemage

[Raydeus]

Also, I REALLY hate when RDMs Divine Seal and Cure 4 after a Convert.

That's a waste of a JA and a waste of 88MP. After I convert, I Cure 3 and Regen, and I keep Regening. By the time Convert is back up, I'm at full health, or if the WHM has MP, they'll cure me.

Idk, it just pisses me off as a waste, and I don't know who spread the idea where it was a good combination. That Divine Seal is better suited for tacking on to a curaga II in case something looks really bad..

Maybe I'm ranting, but DS+CureIV after a Convert seems really selfish.

:rofl:

This one made me lol.

And I do it every single time, mainly because I never use DS otherwise. But then again most of the Merit parties I've been in a really long time (although I should note haven't merited in like 5 months) have all been JP BRD + RDM + WHM so it's not like I'd need DS otherwise.

A RDM has to be smart enough to know when DS + Cure IV is a waste and when it isn't. :thumbsup:

[WishMaster3K]

When I Convert and use DS in the same instance, I'll do it when the pt is yellow and I'm gonna convert anyway, so I can drop a Curaga II + DS and just cure everyone back.

Idk, I try to be efficient.

[Raydeus]

Meh, I can go entire xp sessions without even Converting (and that includes some lolRDM nuking), so it depends on the RDM.


Edit > And more often than not no one is in yellow for long enough for me to do the DS Curaga II drill. :P

[Aksannyi]

Hell, all of us play differently but that in no way makes us bad RDMs. I don't max my Convert ratio, but I don't Convert that often in XP. I also haven't merited Convert because I haven't seen a need yet. I don't DS anything because I sub BLM 95% of the time.

Some of you RDMs look at me and say, "Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!" and to you I say, I'll happily play my own way and if I'm having fun and no one dies in the process, it works for me.

I'm typicially not your ZOMFGCHAINCHAINCHAIN type of RDM either, though, so I guess that changes things a bit, but yeah, I think whatever way you like to play is valid, unless you're trying to main heal and melee with your staves. I will LOL at you.

[Icemage]

Hell, all of us play differently but that in no way makes us bad RDMs. I don't max my Convert ratio, but I don't Convert that often in XP. I also haven't merited Convert because I haven't seen a need yet. I don't DS anything because I sub BLM 95% of the time.

Some of you RDMs look at me and say, "Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!" and to you I say, I'll happily play my own way and if I'm having fun and no one dies in the process, it works for me.

I'm typicially not your ZOMFGCHAINCHAINCHAIN type of RDM either, though, so I guess that changes things a bit, but yeah, I think whatever way you like to play is valid, unless you're trying to main heal and melee with your staves. I will LOL at you.
Nothing wrong with that. Personally, I love being the ZOMFGCHAINCHAINCHAIN RDM. :) It's a pretty addictive feeling when you're keeping up a full Refresh/Haste cycle nonstop while casting spells 100% of the time and STILL have MP left to toss out a nuke or two before Converting.

And hey, XP Chain #200+ is a beautiful thing when it racks in 20K+ XP per hour.


Icemage

[Seijurohiko]

Here's mine as Elvaan RDM/BLM with Maron Glace active:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8669/pol2007110319300071wb7.jpg

[Aeni]

Gah ... as a mithran, my ratio went to the gutter at the selection screen.

:(

BTW, hi to you all :P I'm typing this from a condo in Higashi Gotanda. Anyway, I'll be back in the U.S. in a bit. Hope all is well with my favorite RDMs. /cheer

(hint: that's pretty much all the RDMs here)

[Icemage]

Getting closer. 1245HP/1102MP with no food effects active.

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/5/11/8/f_Convert3m_5a52bf0.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/5/11/8/f_Convert3m_5a52bf0.jpg&srv=img26)

With Marron Glace, I can push this to 1245/1167.

Need a Magnetic Earring from Apoc. Nigh to get within 3 points of 1200, and a Loquacious Earring in addition to that would get me easily to 1200+ Convert. :)


Icemage

[Yellow Mage]

Gah ... as a mithran, my ratio went to the gutter at the selection screen.

:(

Not so much: Mithra actually have the 2nd highest MP in the game, and 2nd only to the Tarutaru, at that.

[WishMaster3K]

And their MND doesn't suck ass.. :(

[Icemage]

And their MND doesn't suck ass.. :(
MND is so overrated even for RDM's. Landing white magic enfeebles has much more to do with skill level than stats. I land enfeebles quite easily even with minimal +MND (see above gears) in merit parties due to Enfeebling Merits and gears. Only really have problems if I try that on HNMs, but for those I use a completely different set of macros and gears than I use for meriting.


Icemage

[BurningPanther]

MND still values quite highly for Slow and Paralyze, which I consider two rather important spells.

Oh, and Cures. If you care about that sort of thing...

[Icemage]

MND still values quite highly for Slow and Paralyze, which I consider two rather important spells.
Oh, and Cures. If you care about that sort of thing...
In merit situations, Slow and Paralyze almost never get cast unless you're bored.

In HNM situations, there's so much MND gear available if you really want to stack it that a fistful of MND isn't going to make or break you. I will say that Elvaan RDMs have an advantage in this situation because they're less constrained by "needing" more MND gear, but you can only go so far before you're trading off more than it's worth gear-wise, since the cumulative effects of MND on even Paralyze and Slow are very small incremental differences.


Icemage

[WishMaster3K]

'MND only really honestly affected me before 51.

But it just sucked that it was so low. But I had enough MP to cast paralyze more than one time. And Taru INT is unrivaled :)

[Icemage]

And here we go. First attempt at 1200MP convert ratio! :)

Tarutaru RDM75/WHM37
1245HP/1200MP using Marron Glace
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/5/11/14/f_Convert4m_ecd60cc.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/5/11/14/f_Convert4m_ecd60cc.jpg&srv=img26)


Icemage

[WishMaster3K]

I hate you. But I respect you.

[Aksannyi]

I hate you. But I respect you.
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My convert ratio sucks, maybe I'll work on that someday.

[Icemage]

Finally managed to get my ToAU-zone convert ratios up to 1200+!

Level 75 Tarutaru Red Mage/White Mage

Gear:
Zen Pole MP+24
Staff Strap MP+20
Hedgehog Bomb MP+30
Walahra Turban HP+30 MP+30
Beak Necklace MP+20
Magnetic Earring MP+20
Loquacious Earring MP+30
Crimson Scale Mail HP+40 MP+40
Creek M Mitts HP+65
Bomb Queen Ring HP+75
Tamas Ring MP+30
Intensifying Cape HP+30 MP+30
Hierarch Belt MP+48
Vendor's Slops HP+25 MP+25
Duelist's Boots MP+15

Gear subtotals:
HP+265
MP+362

HP/MP Merits: HP +70, MP +10
Active Food: Marron Glace MP +65

Total bonuses:
HP +335
MP +437

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/4/2/16/f_img20080216m_ae25111.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/2/16/f_img20080216m_ae25111.jpg&srv=img02)


Icemage

[Feba]

What's wrong with your background res?

[Icemage]

What's wrong with your background res?
It's turned way, way down since I spend so much time doing things like Dynamis.


Icemage

[IfritnoItazura]

Finally managed to get my ToAU-zone convert ratios up to 1200+!
I'd lodge a complain against the nomenclature abuse, but I'm too busy turning green in envy.

Congrats! :P